I am confused

I have read 2 books by Tozer and have found them to be very enlightening and scripturally accurate, but I have a problem with his support of Catholic mystics, i.e. Madame Guyon, Frederic W. Faber(a Roman Catholic priest),etc. I know Tozer was one of the leading men of God in the 20th century, but WHY would he have anything to do with the Whore of revelation? [please note that I am not trying to stir up controversy, I am just curious.]

Do you really think you can use rhetoric like that and not seek to be controversial? The whole intent of that rhetoric, especially when the same question can be asked without it, is controversy.Well, give your assumptions, I assume you think there is no benefit to Roman Catholic Church, so no answer will satisfy your curious mind. openairboy

No need to be so prickly. All you need to do is read Rev. 17 to see that the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore mentioned there.

I for one love reading the mystics by Tozer. Tozer compiled a book of his favorite mystics. They were very solid. Read my signature at the bottom...its a quote by a mystic :-o Are you from the church of God??

My main contention is that the R.C. church is anti-christian. So why would a born again believer be associated with a religion that venerates images, calls the pope God on earth, teaches that you can become God etc.?(I do not belong to any church)

Did Tozer teach these things ?

I think we often throw the baby out with the bath water. To say the RC is a corrupt church system and has had alot of error, prehaps even heresy, is a true statement, could be said of almost all denominations todate. I also believe that God in His infinite wisdom has always had a remenant within the RC church, and that voice being there , much like the prophets of old in the midst of Israel, has not ceased, we have so many treasures available to us from these godly men and women, and these are good for the use of our edification and confirmation. I lost my train of thought so I'm going to just go ahead n post this eventhrough it's not finished and my thoughts are just kinda hangin there. God Bless

Hi drifter, Madame Guyon would not confess to any prist, I challenge you to read her book, Experiencing the Depts of Jesus Christ. A lot has been said of dieing to self, she teaching in this book just how to do this. I have tested and tried her teaching and found it to work, and agree with her that this methods need to be taught from the pulpit. There is nothing "spooky" about this women or Frederic Faber! Her books were banned and burned, and she was cast into prison by the Bishop of her day. I read Andrew Murrey's Absolute Surrender, then a year later read Experiencing the Depts of Jesus Christ by Madame Guyon, it was very clear to me that even with the 200 year span they both loved, and adored the same Saviour with the fervent (hot;molten) love Peter said one should have.Search it out for yourself, after all you were promised, to know the truth and that the truth would set you free.http://www.ccel.org/ccel/guyon/prayer.ii.htmlHere is a shorter version of the above mentioned book titled, A Short and Easy Method of Prayer at the Christian Classics Ethereal Library website.Eileen

This might be of some help;Christian mysticism*Edit; This may keep you more busy than is warrented, but it's a great thread all on it's own;Quakers, old and new, and the 'inner light'

Christ-centered mystics get a bad rap in some evangelical quarters but this need not be so--we live by the means of an indwelling Lord! See [url=http://zoecarnate.com/#rev]this[/url] for some examples of faithful Christian mystics.

she (the rcc) is the mother of all harlots.....

"come out of her my people"

madame gunyon got put in prison by the r.c. they thought she was a heretic. back then there wasn't many protestant churches. she grew up catholic. she was filled with spiritual hunger since she was little and wanted to enter a convent because she thought that would help her be closer to God. because of her sold out love for Jesus she got put in prison by the r.c. then later kicked out.

"I also believe that God in His infinite wisdom has always had a remenant within the RC church,"

this is like saying that God has a remnant in jehova witness groups, mormans. the R.C. sooo denies Christ as being the perfect mediator for us. their doctrine treads so much on the cross.

if their is a remnant then they would come out of her (rc).

what was martin luther use for? for a roman catholic to be set free from being hellbound they must come out of her, like luther did and madame gunyon.

you should try going into a roman catholic church. you can reallly sense much darkness. the churhes in rome still hold on the the evil traditions just like back in luther's time. i went to rome before to witness. rome is the most hardest and darkest place i've ever been too! the people are the hardest i've ever witness too, so cold and mean. rome is so dark and i believe its because of the roman churches. you know the vatican is a city of its own with their own currency. i know a guy who preaches there in rome and he gets beat up by the mafia (mafia and catholism is tied together). he had his head bashed by them so many times that he had to get a metal plate put in there. but he still goes on preaching!

i pray that the people come out of that evil system. i pray they would see how their doctrine treads on the precious cross of Christ. Lord send another prophet like luther to expose the lies of that church and her leaders. may her skirt be lifted up that all may see her shame, her deep harlotry!

"my first love" i am scared...... its as if all these people in here have fallen back in love with this harlot, they are defending it left right and centre.....oh what have we become???