I had a problem with a smoking habit for years.I tried everything to stop smoking,patches,gum and lozenges nothing work.I would plead with the Lord for help but none would come.Then one day the lord said;deny yourself pick up you cross and follow me.So I did it wasn't easy at first to say no but the more I said no the easyer it got.And I had the Holy Spirit helping me all the time.He would say keep going for victory is around the corner.Now I have victory over this sin but I still must resist the devil but he will flee and I still pick up my cross everyday and follow Jesus Christ.As for your discussions I know that we are to be Holy as he is Holy, sin no more but we do its a fact of life even the Holy Spirit said; The man who says he sins not is a lier.But he is faihfull and just to forgive us.
