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Paul is the author of Hebrews

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murdog Jun 7, 2006

SI members,

I have always felt the author of Hebrews is Paul. Here is some evidence, I believe.

"For ye had compassion of ME in MY bonds," Hebrews 10:34 KJV

"You sympathized with those in prison" Hebrews 10:34 NIV

The NIV version implies the audience of the letter had sympathy for others in prison.

The KJ version states the audience of the letter had compassion for the writer of the letter because of HIS bonds. And who was imprisoned more for their faith in Christ then Paul.

Murray

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Forevidence Jun 7, 2006

God is the author of Hebrews...

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets...

God...

Other epistles start with Paul a bondservant...
or Peter an apostle...
but this one starts with God..

That is all we need to know. Amen!?

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murdog Jun 7, 2006

ForeEvidence,

I knew somebody was going to say that. I think we all know that every book in the bible is written by the Holy Spirit. I am just speaking of the vessel the Spirit came through. This is intended as a conversation piece, not an attempt to take the glory away from the godhead.

Murray

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RobertW Jun 7, 2006

Hi murdog,

The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write. (II Thessalonians 3:17)

Not having a salutation at the beginning and end, how are we to wreckon with this passage if Paul wrote Hebrews? I have to agree with Foreevidence and just say that God wrote it. To me, the way in which it begins reminds me of the flow of Luke and Acts. But I think it impossible to say definitively. ;-)

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murdog Jun 7, 2006

Robert,

I also agree with forevidence that God wrote it. I have heard Hebrews attributed to Luke also. In my post I said this is just my opinion. I can't say definitively who wrote it. I just think it is Paul. I was only trying to create discussion.

Take Care,

Murray

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Forevidence Jun 7, 2006


This is intended as a conversation piece, not an attempt to take the glory away from the godhead.

I know. It was just wanted to share an observation I learned when I studied the book and asked the same question.

No other book starts with God...
other then Genesis, in the beginning God...

But check this out, just for the sake of speculation and to throw a monkey wrench into some of our thoughts. Some people say that Barnabas the companion of Paul wrote this epistle. It would be interesting, although there is lack of evidence. But he was a Levite and knew the temple services, and he also was an apostle according to the book of acts. So could it be?

Also some have supposed it ot be Clemente of Rome, the disciple that took over right after Peter. But I don't know about that. Anyways just throwing stuff out there. Have fun... :-)

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murdog Jun 7, 2006

Forevidence,

Sorry for sounding too sensitive. I appreciate your input.

Murray

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Forevidence Jun 7, 2006

No it's all good, don't worry about it.
Peace, not as the world gives!

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RobertW Jun 7, 2006

I also agree with forevidence that God wrote it. I have heard Hebrews attributed to Luke also. In my post I said this is just my opinion. I can't say definitively who wrote it. I just think it is Paul. I was only trying to create discussion.

No problem at all. I took no offense. I just wondered if you had a theory on why Hebrews would not have the salutations that we find in the other epistles.

God Bless,

-Robert

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saved_matt Jun 7, 2006

First we'll go for my rather unspiritual answer:

I dont think it was Paul because Pauls epistles are very personal and Hebrews is not,

Barnabas being a levite might shed some light on it but i think, and this is very speculative as i dont know the arguments for and against each candidate, that it could have been Appolus, after all he was 'man mighty in the scriptures' Acts 18:24, but this could be brought down by a factual bit of knowledge if anyone cares to take a swing at the root of this idea.

now for the more spiritual answer, not from me from my bro Steve,

whoever wrote Hebrews doesn't matter, we have 26 books of the NT that we know who the authors were but this one book God, for reasons unknown to us, has chosen to not tell us who the author is.

but it's still a fun kind of around the coffee table discussion.

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dohzman Jun 7, 2006

The fact is we don't know. The writting style is slightly different from Paul and at the same time has some similarities. It could be agrues that Timothy was never in prison while Paul was still alive-(that is if you check in this history)--Heb 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy hath been set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.
-----That is of course as long as this Timothy is the same Timothy Paul discipled.

Personally though I believe the book is shrouded in mystery by intention from God. I believe it gives it almost a more timeless authority, don't you think?
8-)

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KingJimmy Jun 7, 2006


The KJ version states the audience of the letter had compassion for the writer of the letter because of HIS bonds. And who was imprisoned more for their faith in Christ then Paul.

When one reads the NT, we see lots of Christians in prison. One might say being in prison and being a Christian tended to go hand in hand.

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Logic Jun 7, 2006

saved_matt wrote:

that it could have been Appolus, after all he was 'man mighty in the scriptures' Acts 18:24,

I agree that it might be Appolus.

This verse proves that it isn't an apostle:

[b]Hebrews 2:3[/b] [color=990000]How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us [b]by them that heard Him;[/b][/color]

The term "them" is the ones who actualy heard Jesus.
The term "us" are the regular folk like, us.

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Forevidence Jun 7, 2006



This verse proves that it isn't an apostle:

[b]Hebrews 2:3[/b] [color=990000]How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us [b]by them that heard Him;[/b][/color]

The term "them" is the ones who actualy heard Jesus.
The term "us" are the regular folk like, us.

That could be unless, the writer was trying to hide indentity because of percesution which is very much a possibility seeing he wanted to be compassionate to those in prison. But it can also be that the writer just witheld his name for the sake of humility.

But I like this observation, thanks for pointing it out.

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murdog Jun 7, 2006

Robert,

I actually don't have a theory, I may require a few moments to conjure one up.

Hebrews is unlike all the other letters in the New Testament. The other letters were written to specific churches like Corinth or Phillipi. Then there were the three pastoral epistles written to Timothy and Titus.

It says the intended recipients of Hebrews is simply his brethren Heb 13:22.

The letter mentions he wishes to be restored to his brethren, which I take to mean he is imprisoned. I realize Paul wasn't the only one ever thrown in jail. Timothy is regarded in this letter as his brother as opposed to his son. Not sure what to make of that?

Murray

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RobertW Jun 7, 2006

That could be unless, the writer was trying to hide indentity because of percesution which is very much a possibility seeing he wanted to be compassionate to those in prison.

This would make sense also because a name would be an invitation to persecution. I do believe that the one God used to pen the epistle had benefitted from Paul's teachings. That would tend to date the writing towards the end of the first century CE. I am not so sure that would fit, as it would seem that the early church could have used the information contained in the book to relieve the Jews of their focus on the Temple before 70 CE. Then again, maybe it having been destroyed, they could have understood how a 'better' Priesthood had supplanted it, etc.

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Graftedbranc Jun 11, 2006

2 Thessalonians was written in AD 54. Hebrews was written around AD 67. 13 years later.

Perhaps because of its intended audience, not a church, but to the Jewish believers, and because of it's emphasis upon the Divine authorship of the scriptures, Paul did not see fit to give his usual salutation.

I like the preface in the RcV:

Author: apparently the apostle Paul, who alone was qualified to write the deep, high, and rich content of the book. The mention of Timothy and the tone of the fellowship also point to Paul as the author.

The footnote on vs 1:1 reads:

The emphasis of this book is that God, not man has spoken. Therefore, it does not identify its writer, nor in any of its quotations from the Old Testament does it mention the speaker's name. According to the concept of the book, the entire Scripture is the speaking of God. Hence, in referring to the Old Testament, this book always says that it is the Holy Spirit's speaking (3:7; 9:8; 10:15-17)

This I believe gives support to those who suggest, "the author is God" and leave it at that.

Graftedbranch

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murdog Jun 12, 2006

Amen.

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Graftedbranc Jun 12, 2006

Hebrews is unlike all the other letters in the New Testament. The other letters were written to specific churches like Corinth or Phillipi. Then there were the three pastoral epistles written to Timothy and Titus.

I wonder why we call these "pastoral epistles'. Neither Timothy or Titus were "pastors' in the modern sense of it. They were co-workers with the Apostles and were never identified even as elders in any church. Rather the apostle exorted Timothy to appoint elders in the churches "in every place" and that was the content practically of the books.

It is interesting how we take modern traditional concepts and impose them on the scriptures. How many actually believe that 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus were written to "pastors" of a church? IN the New Testament church there was no such thing.

Graftedbranch

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Logic Jun 13, 2006

murdog wrote:


Hebrews is unlike all the other letters in the New Testament. The other letters were written to specific churches like Corinth or Phillipi. Then there were the three pastoral epistles written to Timothy and Titus.

It says the intended recipients of Hebrews is simply his brethren Heb 13:22.

You can say this about James too

[b]James 1:1[/b] [color=990000]From James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ: Greetings [b]to all God's people scattered over the whole world.[/b][/color]

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