Questionable Song - Be Magnified

sermonindex Jun 15, 2006

Has anyone heard the song sung by Don Moen and/or Kent Henry?

The first verse of the song goes like this:
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"I have made you too small, in my eyes
O Lord, forgive me
And I have believed in a lie
That you were unable to help me.
But now O Lord, I see my wrong
Heal my heart and show yourself strong
And in my eyes,and with my song
O Lord, be magnified
O Lord, be magnified"
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Your probably wondering what my problem is in singing or hearing this song, the melody is nice, the worship is sweet, and I agree with you because I flowed with it until the LORD said to me this scripture. "The deceiver and the deceived are His". Job 12:16 (the whole chapter speaks of the magnification of Gods ways)

The part of the song that I kept stumbling over and had trouble getting over was "I have believed in a lie, that YOU were UNABLE to help me".

I thought, why isn't God able to help me, nothing is impossible with God, all things are possible.

I have been deceived, and He helped me, I believed in lies, and He brought me truth.

This is one of these songs that I had to let go in defence of what the word says.

If God can send a strong delusion so that men might believe in a lie, surely the same God can send a strong truth that men will believe in the truth.

So how can God be UNABLE to help me? Of course, if I refuse His help, but that is not what the song is saying. The song is saying, "I have believed in a lie, that You were UNABLE to help me".

How can God "Be Magnified" if He is UNABLE to help those who have believed in a lie?

What is the sense in sending preachers into the world to bring truth to those who have believed a lie when God is UNABLE to help them?

Many of you will defend the singer and the song, but I am going to stick with God and His word that nothing is impossible with God, all things are possible.

Karl

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murdog Jun 15, 2006

Karl,

It doesn't sound like you are asking for anyone's opinion. It seems as though you have made up your mind about this song.

Murray

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I'm with Karl. These songs don't glorify the Lord one wit. They are written to manipulate. There is, if at all, a shallow/false piety in the singers of such songs. Many are liars who do so. #1. Worship songs aren't devises for expressing our error in our understanding of the issues. #2. Such lyrics don't apply to me and many others. Get my drift?Worship songs are sung by worshippers, not manipulaters.

Psalm 150:1-6 (KJV)
Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. [2] Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. [3] Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. [4] Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. [5] Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. [6] Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.

This Psalm is set to music. Its from the old school of worship, that I miss.

:cry:rm

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roadsign Jun 15, 2006

And I have believed in a lie
that you were unable to help me

To me this is saying:
"I used to thnk that you were unable to help me."

Probably the song really is an admission of past unbelief. Maybe should be worded: "I never trusted you, Lord, I never believed that you could help me."

Any confession-type song is really only as good as the heart of the one who sings it.

I used to worry about selecting songs that I knew people couldn't sing with honesty. Then I realized that I'd have to ditch pretty well all Christian songs. So now, I leave personal interpretation with God. I teach good songs, and I trust that, though they may be meaningless now, some day they may take on meaning.

Diane

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BradW Jun 15, 2006

I totally agree with Diane about the interpretation of the lyrics.

I think that if you look at the context of the quoted verses, you'll see that the writer is aluding to his past belief. He had previously believed that God was unable to help him.

I don't agree that the lyrics are worship material. How can you glorify God by singing about being deceived???

Onward,
Brad

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deltadom Jun 15, 2006

I have met the writer of the song and she loves god and if you go to www.lynndeshazo.com
you can ask her ?

I love the song
Dom

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Warrior4Jah Jun 15, 2006

Thats what I read too.
Looks to me that he sings thats it's a lie that God cannot help him.

Perhaps the singers have a great testimony behind this song! :)

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Warrior4Jah wrote:
Thats what I read too.
Looks to me that he sings thats it's a lie that God cannot help him.
Perhaps the singers have a great testimony behind this song! :)

Who cares? Or perhaps I should say: Who should care whether there is a testimony or not? This isn't the time for testimonies, is it? I hope I'm ringing some bells here.

:-(rm

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deltadom Jun 15, 2006

http://www.lynndeshazo.com/articles/BeMagnified.pdf
Article on the song

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deltadom wrote:
http://www.lynndeshazo.com/articles/BeMagnified.pdf
Article on the song

Lovely --- but it is still not for public worship, but rather private.

Orm

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Treasureak Jun 15, 2006

Healing Waters, I remember this song, It's my favorite.

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deltadom Jun 15, 2006

what is worship material?
Dom

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philologos Jun 15, 2006

This is one of these songs that I had to let go in defence of what the word says.

I am finding more and more songs where I either stop singing or switch into singing in tongues! I will not sing lies or untruths, not even to keep the saints happy.

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deltadom wrote:
what is worship material?
Dom

That which exalts God for who He is, exclusive of any personal problems -- or testimony.
In His sight my worship is my testimony and He is no respecter of persons -- meaning I can't hide behind a mask. For one to worship God is for him to be a worshipper. For one to be a worshipper one must be in love with Him who is worthy of and deserves worship. Corporate worship should require no "specials" from singers nor a choir or "worship team" [whatever that is] to pump up that which should be a worshipping choir unto Him, i.e., the congregation of believers. If they need help there is a leadership problem that "specials" and a louder rock guitar, won't fix.

:-(rm

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philologos wrote:
This is one of these songs that I had to let go in defence of what the word says.
I am finding more and more songs where I either stop singing or switch into singing in tongues! I will not sing lies or untruths, not even to keep the saints happy.

I leave those churches --- well, actuality I'm invited to leave.

:-(rm

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RobertW Jun 15, 2006

I am increasingly concerned that songs tell the people what they are doing, feeling, etc., than it being a legitimate expression of what the hearers feel. Like 'repeating prayers' they are ineffective often because the truths are not those who are reciting them. They do not originate in their hearts. If it is not my experience, I cannot in good conscience sing it ~~[i]~~as if it were[/i]. This does not mean I am attacking this song, it means it may not be my experience, so it has no real relavance to me in terms of worship.

sermonindex Jun 15, 2006

Hi Karl,

Without having heard the music - which may be quite spiritual - the words certainly don't sound like 'worship' to me, even if they carry a legitimate bit of testimony from the writer.

If the words had said 'had' instead of 'have', (in bold) would you have been clearer about what the writer was trying to say?

"I ~~[b]~~had[/b] made you too small, in my eyes
O Lord, forgive me
And I ~~[b]~~had[/b] believed in ~~[b]~~the[/b] lie
That you were unable to help me.
But now O Lord, I see my wrong.
Heal my heart and show yourself strong
And in my eyes, and with my song
O Lord, be magnified
O Lord, be magnified"

What do you think?

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Warrior4Jah Jun 15, 2006

Hey Ormly,

I see what you mean, a few days ago when I was going through my 'opwekking' (which means revival I think) songbook I noticed some songs I could not simply sing. I had to pray first before I could sing it. Then I simply used elements in the song for a prayer.

Some of the song contained the words: "I love to spend all my time with you" Something like that.

Anyhow, I've noticed that songs are often sang to easily. In a concert it might be that people sing this because its a great song, not because thats true in their lives.
Does the world need more testimonies? We have alot and we should have enough. Still I didn't know from what heart the song was composed or sang by the singer. (which is posted later) :-)

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hmmhmm Jun 15, 2006

now i dont watch tv often... but one time something got my attention, i saw one of the big praise singers who sing songs like these... and he was being interviewed by another famous person... he was talking about that he was living a lie that he had sined for so long and so on but when they asked him what the major issue was...he awnsered - the problem wasent really the sin itself it was that he was in the "category" of singing.... if he had been a wordly singer this wouldent be a problem...now i was amazed. this singer i know for a fact sells millions of records and people love him...and his lyrics and music may be loved by many. But he dont know god. The problem should have been his sin against god...not what his "fans" would think of him.

and sadly i se many people trying to mix some "whats hot in the world" in to the godly music... we must be careful what we listen to...becuse it effects us... I did this i compromised...i listen to something that was "wordly" the name the name jesus but its not of god. And when i comprimise whit a little.... then the next thing you know you do it again and again... this is very dangerus.

So dont compromise even a litle... now i love music, thats why i need to be careful. If the music is about god and for god uplifting god thats good. But if the music takes you closer to the music and makes your love bigger for music instead of god, thats what happend to me i started to love that feeling a good song can give you... i knew in my heart what they were singing and the music wasent godly but it got into my heart becuse i thought "its only music"

now the holy spirit showed me to the truth... im careful what i listen to now
but so many other people i belive need to think about what sort of music they let into their heart

gods peace to all of you
christian

sermonindex Jun 16, 2006

Diane said:

Probably the song really is an admission of past unbelief. Maybe should be worded: "I never trusted you, Lord, I never believed that you could help me."

If the lyrics were changed to this Diane, it would be a perfect song. I agree with your rendition, it sang volumes.

I love it!!

Karl