N Korea test fires long-range missile

I wonder if it was crashed on purpose or if it actually malfunctioned. Makes we wonder how they expected the US would react should it actually have reached our shores.

Well, anyways here is a prophecy given 3 years ago by Kim Clement.

"Korea! What is this little beast that would stand and strike its finger up the nose of those that have brought praise to My heart?" says the Lord.

God says, "Would they say, 'Come, you do it, we shall strike you?' But it shall be a mistake and they shall desperately stand in fear and say, 'Why did we do it? Why did we strike at the giant? Did we not know better?' Did Japan not know better when it did that at Pearl Harbor?'"

But the Spirit of the Lord says, "They will do and try the same thing." But watch this, watch this! God says, "My generals and My men that I placed in high places are men of prayer and are men of life."

"Therefore, I will not allow it to even touch one person or even scar one of your soldiers because of the hand of the Lord that is upon you," says the Lord.

Who is Kim Clement, and why does she claim to be the tongue of God? Makes me wary when one claims to have new revelations from God.

Who is Kim Clement, and why does [u]she[/u] claim to be the tongue of God

She is a [i]He[/i]. ;-)

Uh-oh. I read a shirt the other day that said "assume nothing." I should've listened!

Sorry Kim, didn't mean to insult.

Although I have actually been at a meeting of Kim Clement's, I'm not sure he is a true prophet of God.

Some people that I know, Godly people, believe him, but I am undecided. I'd rather err on the side of caution.

If you want to check him out, his website is:

www.kimclement.com

To be sure N Korea will attempt to do something however I don't believe anything will come of it. About 10 years ago I had a dream where I saw into N korea and saw a nuke (missle), I also saw in this dream 2 cherubim over seeing the whole thing, they were in military police uniforms, I understood much of what I saw because they looked into me and imparted understanding, but I don't need to elaborate the whole here. Any way , I'm no prophet, just a regular guy who wants to simply serve Jesus. Extra biblical revelations? I do believe Jesus is telling individuals of near events, even though you can't find them word for word in the bible. That's where we are to judge the words spoken prayerfully. I'm usually careful about judging someone as false this or that, if anything, I try to chalk it up as a mistake or error and trust the Lord to handle the matter, except where there is much proof and much bad fruit. :-)

It is time to follow Jesus, not only as we see Him in history, but also as He is presently revealing Himself.

That's a quote from Kim's webpage. I didn't spend much time there, but I wouldn't be found at one of his "prophetic gatherings."

dohzman wrote:
Extra biblical revelations? I do believe Jesus is telling individuals of near events, even though you can't find them word for word in the bible.

In the end times we're told that we'll be given understanding of the times. It seems Kim, however, has an agenda to restructure the modern day church, based off of his extra-biblical revelations. Sounds fishy to me... Seventh-day adventism, Christian Science, Mormonism. Look into how they all got started.

I can't answer for this Kim dude but I do know that I've heard some prophesies that were to say the least, extra- biblical. Here's an example: The sunday before 9/11 a sister I know gave a prophetic warning on the attack, it to me didn't sound like anything biblical, but I did bear witness with it, however, just a few days later, bang 9/11.

It seems Kim, however, has an agenda to restructure the modern day church, based off of his extra-biblical revelations

I don't know the whole thing here but I've observed that many of these prophets draw the attention to themselves instead of Jesus. That's sad :-(

brethren
i can agree that some prophets do seek attention for themselves but a true prophet of God[i]does[/i]get much attention because the word of God is offensive and it gets people's attention. i think of the prophets who were written of in the word, they got a lot of attention, not out of wanting it for themselves but as a byproduct of serving God.

don't know about this kim guy, but we ought to keep our spiritual eyes and ears open, God may speak through anyone at any time and we won't be able to say we didn't get the memo...just a thought

Well, I suppose I'm a bit of a fundamentalist, believing that God's Word isn't a progressive thing, that it's sufficient in its entirety, and complete as it is now.

Kim Clement explains in his own words concerning the teachings of sin, grace and salvation.

“I thought that Christianity was based on a relationship resulting from grace. My idea that each person is born with a treasure in their spirit is mocked, and I am accused of being a new age prophet because I will NOT focus on their sin but rather on their treasure”[emphasis his] ....... “I know how a sinner feels because I have been one”........I do not believe that you must be born again to obtain salvation.......you cannot and will not make a disciple out of a sinner who has been introduced to Jesus Christ on the basis of their sinful inheritance only.”

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'Nuff said... He's a soothesayer that needs Jesus.

bro gf

Well, I suppose I'm a bit of a fundamentalist, believing that God's Word isn't a progressive thing, that it's sufficient in its entirety, and complete as it is now.

i agree, i meant that God may use anyone to say something which is not written out in the plain text of scripture pertaining to specific events. of course though the scriptures to have much depth to them and i think that all things are explained in them but they require a lot of meditation on them and revelation from God.

just a thought

he also said this on his website under the title "doctrine"

I believe the only way for a person to be saved is through the name of Jesus and by confession that He is Lord. The only way to the Father is by accepting the sacrifice that His Son made by shedding his blood.

http://www.kimclement.com/doctrine/doctrinal_belief.html

where was tha quote from bro?
:-?

I presume it was during one of his interviews with the media ?

*shrugs*

I really don't buy into mainstream prophesy at all... or anything mainstream for that matter.

Lies from the pit of hell is what I say they are.

oh ok i see, coz it seems then he's had a change of heart since or before what is on his website.

what is mainstream prophecy anyway? and what would the true prophecy look/be like in comparison to the mainstream?

I'm cautious by nature. That is probably a result of being analytical. I desire to discern everything. I fully believe that we can know wether something is or is not of God.

God can speak through many people, even those with messed up doctine. He even established wisdom in the mouths of nursing infants and babes as Psalms put it.

Does Kim Clement hold that same position on salvation? Maybe it has changed, I know my understanding of the things of God is still being refined, but that does not mean that God cannot speak through him, especially since many of his prophecies have come to pass. Though I cannot help but to be skeptical of ones that have not come to pass, but prophecies are not always something that will definitely happen but are determined by those being prophesied over.

For example people have spoken words from the Lord over my life, all share similarities, but they just aren't just going to happen regardless. Someone may tell me that the Lord showed them that I would be ministering as an apostle, but if I never get up off my butt and start to do the work of the Lord, it will never happen.

Anyways...
I believe that the Lord can speak to any one of His children regarding things of the natural and spiritual realm. His sheep hear his voice.

Yeah the prophetic arena does have areas where it needs correcting (so does the pastoral, evangelists, teachers, apostles and Body of Christ in general) but it does not mean that it should be dismissed all-together. We are the body and byg etting fed up with the prophetic and totally dismissing it is like cutting off our arm saying we dont need it. If we dismiss a functioning because it is not perfect then that means we should dismiss pastors, teachers, apostles and evangelists too, because they also have their imperfections.

The problem is that the body of Christ is too buisy fighting itself to fight the devil. And the devil is sitting back and laughing his head off, because we are all trying to separate ourself from each other. It is like a person quartering their own body. ..mmmm....Quite sad.

The devil is not as stupid as we would like to think he is. Lucifer is a tactical genious. What? Do you think he accidentally stumbled and just so happened to gain control of world pilitics, commerce, billions of unsaved people and even dividing and weakening the Body of Christ? You think he accidentally tainted the prophetic, pastoral, teachers, evangelists and apostles? He knows what he is doing, and we sit back and allow ourselves to be manipulated by him. Once again....quite sad....

Anyways, I know I had more to say but I forgot it...hmmm o well. If I remember, then I'll add it.

The devil is not as stupid as we would like to think he is. Lucifer is a tactical genious.

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity that is toward Christ.

that's an important point, we have maybe 20 or 30 years "in the way" and of course history to examine where we are, and are going as compared to thousands of earthly years time against satan. Not to mention that his personal knowledge of heavenly things and the workings of the invisible as well as perfect knowledge to the operation of spiritual principles, diffientially gives him some advantage. That's why the prophetic is so nessary, but like anything it needs to be judged by the Word and where we can't apply the Word of God directly, it takes godly men and women to sit in judgement and give it the thumbs up or down. (I'm thinking in extra biblical prophesy , on the lines of Agubus and his prophesy of the famine in Jerusalem, it gave the church time to prepare).