It IS World War Three

sermonindex Jul 22, 2006

World War One was fought over two drooping empires.

World War Two was fought against fascism, the nazi's and their proxies.

World War Three is being fought against radical islamic theocrats who have already declared jihad, holy war against the U.S. and our aliies.

The heartbeat, the theocratical leadership of the jihadis, and their purse all originate in Iran.

But through out the Arab Aslamic world, many countries stand ready to fight alongside The Islamic Republic of Iran.

This is a just war because our national survival is imperiled, and we must war declare now, and not wait for a modern day Pearl Harbor such as Yankee Stadium and 40,000 fans being incinerated by a suitcase nuke.

But, are we ready for the sacrifices?

Are we ready to re-institute the draft?

Radical Islamic jihadists are just as sick and demonic as the hitlerite legions of the 1930' and 40's.

H

hmmhmm Jul 22, 2006

bartle wrote:
, and we must war declare now, and not wait for a modern day Pearl Harbor such as Yankee Stadium and 40,000 fans being incinerated by a suitcase nuke.

ARE YOU AS A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST ? ARE YOU FOR A DECLARATION OF WAR?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_Hu1hcsa4

J

JoeA Jul 22, 2006

While WW3 may be on the horizon, Jesus said "See that ye be not troubled, for all these things must come to pass."

There is a far greater war going on right now, a war against forces more powerful than Iran, more powerful than the whole Islamic world. We are in a war against powers, and principalities, and the rulers of darkness. Nowhere in the Bible is a Christian told to take up arms, but we are instructed to be sober, vigilant, and resist the devil.

"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God."

I

IRONMAN Jul 22, 2006

bro Joe

There is a far greater war going on right now, a war against forces more powerful than Iran, more powerful than the whole Islamic world. We are in a war against powers, and principalities, and the rulers of darkness. Nowhere in the Bible is a Christian told to take up arms, but we are instructed to be sober, vigilant, and resist the devil.

This is where it's at! What is happening in the natural is a reflection of what is going on in the spirit realm. if we don't see this, then there is no hope because unless there is we tackle the issues at the root in the spirit realm, then the issue will keep cropping up again and again. let us not forget this aspect of it, lest we catch a sever whooping from the principalities and powers coz we fail to use the powerful weapons of God but use our own instead.

Lord help us. AMEN.

J

JoeA Jul 22, 2006

The Church is at war with the devil, not over things like this, (i know that the enemy is behind many evil empires in the world) but for men's souls. If we lose sight of THIS, there is no hope. Problems like this will keep cropping up until Christ returns to usher in eternal righteousness and peace. If we were more concerned about seeing people saved than we are about going to war with terrorists, the Church in America might actually please God. THIS is why revival is so desperately needed. We're more concerned about politics than we are Kingdom things. Lord deliever us from such idolatry.

In love, joe

sermonindex Jul 22, 2006

I' a follower of Jesus, I'm s Jew, and I'm a an American.

There is a point where every follower of Christ must decide that if the earthly country they live in, is imperiled, where the national survival of that country is at stake, and at this point I know that the survival of Israel is in peril, and since 9/11/2001, radical islam has let us know in the U.S. they intent on destroying us.

Does this make the Heart of Christ weep?

yes. Jesus wept.

But since 9/11/2001 inn America we have been involved in a the "war on terror", enough with the hypocrisy and vagueness, it's time to name the enemy, and the enemy is radical islamists who have ALREADY declared war on us and our allies, and the center of radical islamic jihadists is in Iran, more specifically the holy city of Qom, where the mullahs who hold power reside.

Don't worry, I believe in World War Two Sweden was neutral, I'm sure they can retain that status in 2006.

I might suggest a web excursion to www.memritv.org where you can read for yourself what our enemy has in store for us.

sermonindex Jul 22, 2006

It has always been the policy of this country that those who object to taking up arms may opt out and conscientously object.

One of my Biblical heroes has always been King David, and more so now.

sermonindex Jul 22, 2006

ps to JoeA

I'm not troubled.....grieved, heavy in heart, because my fellow Jews in Israel are in grave peril, but not troubled because I know that Yahweh is with the IDF.

J

JoeA Jul 22, 2006

Philippians 3:17 "Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

"(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

"Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame ~~[b]~~who mind earthly things[/b],

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ."

Brothers, the point i'm trying to make is that there are more important things to worry about than national security. As Christians we are to put on the whole armor of God, not take up arms for our country.

R

roadsign Jul 23, 2006

While we cannot doubt that the devil is our enemy, we must also realize that we ourselves can be God’s enemies. Scripture teaches that when nations (people groups) assemble and plot, they are actually fighting against God’s Anointed One.

Why do the nations assemble with commotion [uproar and confusion of voices], and why do the people imagine (meditate upon and devise) an empty scheme? The kings of the earth take their places; the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and His Anointed One (the Messiah, the Christ). They say, Let us break Their bands [of restraint] asunder and cast Their cords [of control] from us. Ps. 2: 1,2 Amplified

This can apply to a family at the dinner table as well as a nation on the battle field. When we try to save/defend ourselves - our rightness, our turf, our pride, our ego – whether by defensive words or defensive weapons we are declaring that Christ’s salvation is not enough. We are at war with our Lord.

Another thought: As long as we keep our magnifying glasses on our enemies and report our discoveries, we are no different than those spies who reported about the huge giants in the Promised Land – and caused the entire nation to refuse to enter into God’s promise. We must be reporters who see through the eyes of faith and not unbelief. Or else we will instil fear in man rather than trust in God. We will.keep people from entering into God’s REST. If God is for us, then we need not fear. But if God is not for us, then all our scheming will be of no avail.

We Canadians, like Americans, are very privileged to have a nation that rules from sea to sea. It has been a God-given honor. However, if our nationalism has become our source of trust and security, then it has become our idol. That’s what happened with Israel. If God did not spare Israel, why should we expect him to spare our nations?

Nations rise and fall; they always have; and they always will. But the kingdom of God always moves forward.

If the advancement of the kingdom of God requires the loss of our national identities, are we willing to accept it. After all, we are merely aliens and foreigners on this earthly soil. Our citizenship is in heaven – our only permanent dwelling. And we have ONLY been given weapons to fight for THAT kingdom (see Eph. 6) In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither Canadian, American nor Arab, neither …… get the picture?. Right now many Arabs are coming to Christ. We are called to protect God’s own. Color, race, gender, heritage, status are irrelevant. What happens if we fail in that calling?

If the prerequisite for revival is that we lay down our weapons and our nations, are we willing to pay that price? Do we pray, “Lord, your kingdom come…. (whatever the cost)… Thy will be done” And can we trust God to be our strong fortress?

I realize that these are hard words, and seem even outrageous…. But as I read the Scriptures, more and more this is what I find. Could I be wrong?
Diane

J

JoeA Jul 23, 2006

I realize that these are hard words, and seem even outrageous…. But as I read the Scriptures, more and more this is what I find. Could I be wrong?

God bless you sister. Amen. Amen. You're not wrong.

P

PaulWest Jul 23, 2006

Amen, Diane. Ravenhill said that he took the Union Jack to the cross years ago - and left it there. I've done the same with Old Glory. I'm thankful to God for my earthly country, but it's going to burn. I pray for Bush...but my allegiance is to Heaven and King Jesus Christ exclusively.

Preach the gospel, brother Bartle, and let the heathen fight their wars.

Preach the gospel, brother!

C

Compton Jul 23, 2006

These religous 'fault-line' wars remind me of a victorian quote by the Roman Catholic Joseph Hilaire Belloc:

"the faith is Europe and Europe is the faith"

Later in the 20th century, many American Christians have said, "America is the faith." And today many Christians, Jews, and Muslims would say that "Jerusalem is the faith."

So whose Kingdom is the faith? God's people living under every flag would like to know.

MC

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IRONMAN Jul 23, 2006

sis Diane
Those are some hard things to consider. Do we love God enough and His Kingdom enough to forsake our respective countries of origin/residence now if He were to ask.

Dare we disobey God for any cause?

Lord help us!AMEN.

I

IRONMAN Jul 23, 2006

bro Mike

So whose Kingdom is the faith? God's people living under every flag would like to know.

ouch! this is the proverbial million-dollar question. Christ answered it when He said, "my kingdom is not of this world"

heaven is where our allegiance should lie, if it conflicts with the laws of the lands we live in somehow, i pray we do right by God. AMEN.

H

hmmhmm Jul 23, 2006

i can see what you meen, but we as christians should not worrie, god has everything in his hand, and i belive as i understand scripture you as a "american" should expect great judgements on your nation , if we were to look on what your country is guilty of in gods eyes, now im expecting the same judgement on my own country, we are one of the most sinful countrys in the world. But i do not Wawe the swedisch flag, i belong to a different kingdom, america sweden.... it will ALL BURN ANYWAY, until that day....witch doesent seem very far away, lets bring as many people we can whit us, i just belive as we as followers of christ should never be for war , no matter how evil or how sinful or godless the other country is, but their sining doesent make our sin right.

ive watched many times memri tv...its very disturbing to watch and se....but i do trust that the lord is going to bring justice.
let us pray for thease matters...for israels saftey and its neighbours...pray for workers to the harvest.

sermonindex Jul 23, 2006

As Christians we are to put on the whole armor of God

Bro JoeA, you are a Christian, I am a Jew who is a follower of Jesus, you could call me a Christian, I could call you "child of Abraham, we both are "children of Abraham"......?

I heard many Gentile "children of Abraham" speak of their great love for the Jewish people, and that have a burden for the Jews, and a love for Israel.

The Land of Israel is where the Lord Jesus lived and walked His earthly ministry, now the Land of Israel is at war, imperiled, surrounded and outnumbered, for almost 60 years they have lived in very rough neighborhood, and surivived, do you really think this is because the power of their own strength?

You infered that my mind is on "earthly things", and that I am worrying about "national security", This battle is the an earthly reflection of the battle being waged in the heavenlies, between good and evil. If a man straps explosives around his waist walks into a crowd of civilians, detonates it, while shrieking "Allahuakbar!" (God is great!) what kind of god is this?

It's not a god, it abbadon, in Hebrew that translates out to the Destroyer, the god of the abyss, this is the god, that radical islamic jihadists worship.

Israel has sought to exist in the Land that God gave to us/them as an everlasting covenant. Did God use the romans to remove us from the Land?

yes.

Did God use the hitlerites to scourge us by burning 6 million in the ovens of Europe?

yes.

Did God use the UN do to give the Jews a homeland in 1948, and then further protect them by running ahead of them and giving them the strength to vanguish their many enemies who vastly outnumber them?

yes.

These are not earthly things, what you see happening, unfolding about you is prophecy as written in the Holy Scriptures.

The Jews are God's chosen people and thru the atoning Blood of Messiah he has torn the curtain of the Temple, and grafted you a Gentile into the Vine, as a child of Abraham, the father of the faith.

I appreciate your pacifism, and I believe that any man who cannot take up arms should have this right.

I agree, the enemy is the devil, but he has many names, and one of them is abbadon, the destroyer, and this is who we face in the guise of radical islamic jihadists.

here's q question for you, when God makes a an everlasting with His people, does God go back on His Word?

to say yes to this, you must as well throw out what is known as the Old Testament.

I will give to you what the Spirit has revealed to me, that in the coming days, America will suffer a grievous hideous attack on its shores, that will far eclipse the attack of 9/11.

Do we fear this?

Many, who do not have the reassurance of Messiah, fear such death and destruction, but our promise lays in the heavenly Jerusalem, where thousands of saints sing in praise of God.

There is good and evil, and I fix my thoughts on Jesus because he will come in the sky, but He also told us to be aware of the times.

and we are in such times, whether you like it or not.

Pray for peace and prepare for battle, its coming.

bartle

sermonindex Jul 23, 2006

Preach the gospel, brother Bartle, and let the heathen fight their wars.

Something in that statement who made bothers me.

As I've said over and over again, I am a Jew who follows Jesus, and my brothers and sisters in Israel who have been atacked repeatedly over the past sixty years now face the greatest peril they have ever faced from the Islamic Republic of Iran who are the theocratical and financial backers of what is known as Hezbo-allah, the party of god.

The nation of Israel is hardly "heathen", they are God's chosen people, and you who have been grafted into this Vine thru the atoning Blood of Messiah should get on your knees, and realize that you too are a "child of Abraham"....and that King Jesus is the Son of Yahweh, El Shaddai, Adonai, Elohim, all Hebrew words,

recognize the Grace you've shown and where it came from. My Jewish brothers ands sisters were given an EVERLASTING covenant from Yahweh, EVERLASTING means just that, and Jesus said that one day He will come back for His Chosen people.

He has your heart and your soul, and one day praise God He will gather all the tribes of Israel. Get on your knees, and I promise you, He will reveal that nation is Israel is not some collection of "heathen".

Too much Jewish blood, thru the centuries has been shed by 'christians' treating Jews as "heathen".

I resent that term being used by you in reference to my brothers and sisters in Israel who do not yet know Messiah.

One day He will gather them all up, this is what Jeremiah 30-33 is all about.

Why don't you read it, look in the mirror, and say what you just said to me, "Preach the Gospel brother."

forgive me if I seem harsh, but I'm wondering how deep the love of the church for the Jewish people really is.

sermonindex Jul 23, 2006

what you are witnessing in my humble Spirit led opinion is way way beyond nation states, and national identities

It is prophecy, it ia an earthly mirror of a battle be waged in the heavenlies.

bartle

R

roadsign Jul 23, 2006

I've said over and over again, I am a Jew who follows Jesus

Did not the apostle Paul reverse the order?

Too much Jewish blood, thru the centuries has been shed by 'christians' treating Jews as "heathen"

Add to this: countless true followers of Christ have been martyred by the Church – I’d say by the nominal Christians. Indeed, the church has been the main source of much persecution for centuries – of many minority groups.

I add here – to encourage you, that my grandfather and his brother, including actually their entire family and many others were leaders in the underground movement in Holland – who tried to preserve many of the lives of your people – even at a risk to their own lives. They were true believers, and God honoured them. Many miracles have been recorded (however never made the history books). I say this to point out that God did indeed stir his followers towards humanitarian works on your behalf. God only knows, maybe you are here today because somewhere back in your history, Christians have protected your ancestors. By the way, I should add that my great uncle lost his life in the process. A book was written about his life – now being translated into English.

On another note:
At the time war broke out, there were over 40,000 fellow Canadians in Lebanon. Some died as a result of the bombings. It gets real tricky: Does your “call” to defend your brother justify the results: that my brother loses his life. Is my brother less important to God? You see, it gets very messy when we try to draw lines in the sand around people groups and then take self-defence in our own hands. Does God not give us a better way?

Art Katz, himself a Christian Jew has much to say about how he perceives the nation of Israel, and Israel’s future. You may wish to check this out. It’s rich.

~~[url=http://www.benisrael.org/]~~Ben Israel - The Burning Bush[/url]
He also has many audio sermons on SI.

May God’s peace rule in your heart. Shalom, brother.

Diane