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sermonindex Jul 29, 2006

This man, this actor has been sober for a long time now and obviously fell, please pray for him, at least you can see the Lord in his life the way he publicly repented:

Mel Gibson Apologizes for DUI Arrest
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 6:15 p.m. ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Mel Gibson issued a lengthy statement Saturday apologizing for his drunk driving arrest and saying he has battled alcoholism throughout his life.

The actor and ''The Passion of the Christ'' director also apologized for what he said were ''despicable'' statements he made to the deputies who arrested him early Friday on Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu.

''I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested,'' he said in a statement issued by his publicist. ''I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse.''

He said he was taking ''necessary steps to ensure my return to health.''

Publicist Alan Nierob declined to elaborate beyond Gibson's statement, and sheriff's Sgt. Rich Erickson declined to respond, saying the case was still under investigation.

Gibson, 50, was arrested for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol after deputies stopped his 2006 Lexus LS 430 for speeding at 2:36 a.m. Friday. Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said deputies clocked him doing 87 mph in a 45 mph zone.

A breath test indicated Gibson's blood-alcohol level was 0.12 percent, Whitmore said. The legal limit in California is 0.08 percent.

The actor-director posted $5,000 bail and was released less than two hours later.

Gibson also apologized Saturday for what he called ''my belligerent behavior'' when he was taken into custody.

''The arresting officer was just doing his job and I feel fortunate that I was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person,'' he said.

''I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable.''

Nierob and sheriff's officials declined to discuss what Gibson said.

Gibson won a best-director Oscar for 1995's ''Braveheart'' and had a 2004 religious blockbuster with ''The Passion of the Christ.'' He also starred in the ''Lethal Weapon'' and ''Mad Max'' films, ''What Women Want'' and ''The Man Without a Face,'' among other movies.

sermonindex Jul 31, 2006

Please pray for Mel Gibson
OK. Sounds like he's serious about straightening up again. Praise God.

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W_D_J_D Jul 31, 2006

did you hear about what he said about the jews?

man i still cant believe that people think he is a christian.

NO ONE who hates the jews is a christian.......NO, NOT EVEN MARTIN LUTHER!!!!!

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enid Jul 31, 2006

Yes, I have heard what he said about the Jews. He isn't a Christian. Most people think because he did a token movie about Jesus he gets the green light from God. Wrong. Martin Luther did make some anti-Semitic statements. They seem to be unknown by many in Christian circles, or ignored. Hatred of the Jews or anyone else is un-Christian. The Jews are God's people, they always will be. God bless.

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JoeA Jul 31, 2006

What was it that he said about Jews?

And what did Martin Luther say? Is there credible evidence?

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brentw Jul 31, 2006

AW Tozer said: "Hollywood has faces like angels but morals like ally cats"

sermonindex Jul 31, 2006

And what did Martin Luther say? Is there credible evidence?

I dont know what Gibson said, but Martin Luthers anti-semitism is well documented in his own writings. His opinions infected Germany for generations, and culminated with the Nazis. (I'm not saying Luther was a Nazi... but the seeds of his hatred for Jews levened the whole lump)

As for Gibson's salvation, we can not judge the heart. However we can judge his own words, and his faith is NOT in the Jesus of the Bible. His faith is in the ordinances of the Catholic Church, and in Mary.

Also, if Mel knew his Bible he would cease calling his problem "the disease of alcoholism" and call it what God calls it: the sin of drunkeness. Not until people call sin sin can they really expect help from God. Mel doesnt need to "return to health" as he calls it... he needs to get right with God.

... as we all do from time to time.

Krispy

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Brethren - brentw in particular - how do these comments answer bartle's request for prayer for this man?

Further, how do they honour the name of Christ whom we seek to serve?

I hope both my questions strike you as rhetorical, as they are intended to be. I responded to [i]agree[/i] to pray. Frankly, I'm embarrassed to be writing this. All of us once were prayed for by faithful people who knew we were off the rails at the time. If you don't want to pray, that's fine, but this thread doesn't need to lose focus in the process of generalised negativity. I hope no-one is any more offended by my express concern here, than by the comments which drew it out.


EDIT: Krispy, I think we posted at the same time.

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JoeA Jul 31, 2006

I wasn't aware that Luther was anti-semitic. Very sad.

cease calling his problem "the disease of alcoholism" and call it what God calls it: the sin of drunkeness

Amen.

And Dorcas, you're right too. We are a little off-topic, and judgmental.

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markm Jul 31, 2006

Why not pray for him concerning his attitude toward the Jews?

My recollection (from the time of the movie) was that his father was an anti-semite, and the media was trying to trap him into either agreeing with it or denouncing it. At the time, he refused to do either. He said he didn't agree with what his father believed, but he wouldn't dishonor his father either.

Did God stick with you even though you were still hanging on to baggage from your childhood? Did He in His good time reveal truth to you? When Israel was wayward did he repeal his name from them? Or was Israel still "His people?" Should we repeal the name 'christian' from someone just because their heart was in the wrong place, and their words got written down?

I'm glad I'm not famous and having my faith judged by words that I can't take back because they have been written down.

Obviously, Mr. Gibson is struggling with his faith right now. He turned to alcohol instead of to God, and he is reaping the consequences. But do you want the judgment of God to fall on him for his mistakes? Or do you want the grace of God to work toward change in his life?

I don't know Mel, I don't know his faith all that well, but obviously he is a man who wants to know Christ, shouldn't we be praying that God would have mercy and meet that desire?

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Edit: posted at the same time as several of you. Funny how a post can become redundent while you are typing it. Well said dorcas.

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Amen Mark... you're right on. Thats kinda what I was trying to get at. Mel needs to get right with God, not fall under his wrath. Mel Gibson needs to get saved, just like I needed to get saved... and everyone else, for that matter.

Another thought about Martin Luther... Martin Luther was not the most moral man in history. He is a good example of someone who abused his “Christian liberty” as an opportunity to sin. It seemed that once he grasped the concept of salvation by grace alone, and not works… all bets were off. A kind of a “let me see how much I can get away with and still be saved by grace!”

Unlike someone else on this thread, I know we can not judge anyones salvation. Especially based on what they do or don’t do. If you don’t love the Jews you cant be saved? Wrong… salvation is based on God’s grace given to those who faith in the blood of Jesus Christ… and not on anything else. Not faith AND baptism… not faith AND prayers to Mary… not faith AND a love for the Jews.

Someone can be saved and be an anti-semite. I was saved and still had a lot of sins that needed to be dealt with. Still have many today! Praise God He doesnt deal with them all at once... I couldnt handle it!

Let's get our theology correct, people.

Krispy

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brentw Jul 31, 2006

Krispy, you still make me smile...AMEN! :-)

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MaryJane Jul 31, 2006

Re Thought this post

God Bless

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OverSeer Jul 31, 2006

Krispy said,

Unlike someone else on this thread, I know we can not judge anyones salvation. Especially based on what they do or don’t do.

Maybe the Apostle John was wrong for writing First John and telling us there that you can tell the differences between the children of God and the children of the devil; between those who have a genuine faith and those who have a counterfeit faith. "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil; whoesoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother" (1 John 3:10).

Also the Bible states that for the saved Jew and the saved Gentile, that the middle wall of partition between us has been broken down and that Christ Jesus has made both one and removed the enmity, so making peace (Ephesians 2:14-16).

People who "think" they are saved and are yet anti-semitic ought to remember one tremendous point of theological truth - Jesus Christ was a Jew - He is the Lion from the tribe of Judah!

Grace and peace
Olan

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OverSeer... I'm glad you can see into others hearts. I, for one, prefer the wait and see method.

Next time I lead someone to the Lord, as soon as they say "Amen" I'll ask them what their opinion of Jewish people is so I'll know for sure whether they truly got saved.

Mind you, I agree that saved people should love the Jewish people (and any other people group! Remeber "Love one another"?). But to put love of the Jews as a requirement for salvation is both arrogant and misinformed.

Ahhh... saved by grace. How sweet the sound!

Krispy

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JoeA Jul 31, 2006

But to put love of the Jews as a requirement for salvation is both arrogant and misinformed.

Brother, no one has said that love for the Jewish people is a requirement for salvation. But if someone is truly saved, they will have a love in their hearts for all.

For instance, someone who hates others becomes a Christian, they still hate, but gradually begin to love others. No. The Bible says "The love of God is shed abroad on our hearts by the Holy Ghost." If a person gets saved, and still hates, i doubt the validity of their salvation. "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

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roadwarrior Jul 31, 2006

Your observation is right on!

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OverSeer Jul 31, 2006

Krispy,

Maybe you've forgotten what you wrote about Mel Gibson,

Mel Gibson needs to get saved, just like I needed to get saved... and everyone else, for that matter.
How did you determine that Mel Gibson needed to get saved? How did you know that he had not already been saved? Did you use the tests of First John and come to that conclusion from the Scriptures or did you "look into his heart"?

And,

Next time I lead someone to the Lord, as soon as they say "Amen" I'll ask them what their opinion of Jewish people is so I'll know for sure whether they truly got saved.
Maybe you ought to do what the Bible says and wait and see if they bring forth fruit in keeping with repentance - it works much better that way!

Grace and peace
Olan

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roadwarrior Jul 31, 2006

It would seem that much of what we call christianity is really nothing more than american religion. Because american religion lacks the cross (I'm using a broad generalization) individuals become more concerned with the blessings of God instead of pleasing the God who blesses us. We have become a society that craves being motivated and comforted, thats evident in most pulpits across the country to this very day. In Mr. Gibson situation his circle of accountability only extended as far as his wife and children. However he has made a profession of faith in Christ and even went on record that it was the Holy Spirit who inspired him to create his latest production extoling the crufication of Christ. It was interesting to observe that even in his movie that the early releases (pre-market viewings) didn't include the ressurection Of Christ. Without the resurrection of Christ there can be no victory over sin, the devil or the world.

What's really needed is a "John the baptist" standing up with the power of God proclaiming the real gospel to a lost society. A simple message, straight forward and clear. Well I guess that's the challenge anyway.

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OverSeer Jul 31, 2006

What's really needed is a "John the baptist" standing up with the power of God proclaiming the real gospel to a lost society

Amen! And the first word of the real gospel is "repent." God given repentance has fruit in keeping with repentance (see Luke 3:10-14).

If repentance was preached ahead of the coming of the King in grace, what needs to be preached ahead of His coming in glory? "Repent!"

Grace and peace
Olan

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