BSBKJVWEBYLTASVBBEWMBT4TDBY|HymnsMusicDonate
Menu
Articles

“Too intense?” “Radical?”

sermonindex Aug 19, 2006


[b]“Too intense?” “Radical?”[/b]
listen: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=13086

Description: The other day I was listening to The Way Of The Master Radio show when Todd Friel was interviewing the soft spoken Paul Washer from HeartCry Missionary Society. He played a clip demonstrating the passion this preacher preached with. The clip convicted me tremendously, but I also couldn’t help but think of those in the past who have called me “too intense” and “radical.”
Is there a sense that many of those who call on the name of Jesus have no idea what true commitment to following Christ entrails? Is seeking “Your Best Life Now,” expanding your territory, or hunting your “Purpose Driven Life” really what it is all about? When Jesus said to cut off your hand or poke out your eye, or to take up your cross and follow Him, was he being “too intense” and “radical?” I don’t think Paul Washer believes so, neither do I. If you have 3 minutes, listen to this! This is Paul Washer speaking at a youth rally. Is this too intense and radical, or is it someone who believes the Lord at His words?

H
hmmhmm Aug 19, 2006

this is strong..but isent that what its about? christianty. it is intense... real christianity is to strong... for the world...its just a shame many fall away when the intensity increases... but i belive there are many verses in the bible talking about this... the falling away...

J
JoeA Aug 19, 2006

A good friend of mine who i haven't seen in awhile just called me to ask if i wanted to go see a movie. Is it wrong that i felt bad because i didn't want to go to a theater? He understood my convictions, but have we come to the point that we have to feel bad because we want to serve the Lord? Because we're afraid of seeming too radical?

Is there something wrong with me because i felt bad?

H
hmmhmm Aug 19, 2006

i do that sometimes... and ive thought the same thought as you.... i dont know...? people asked me to watch a tv program or listen to something and ive just could not do it , so i say no and leave but then i feel guilty... but i know ive done right...but is it right to feel like that?
its like doing right and feeling wrong...

id like some of the more mature saints here help out here

gods peace
christian

M
mamaluk Aug 19, 2006

Radical, extreme, off-balance, intense, have been my nicknames for a long time

I often replied in the past, it was CHRIST who fit into these descriptions, I wouldn't begin to fit.

GOD's love was/is so intense, extreme, and radical that HE allowed our Lord to suffer pain and humiliation on that 'balanced' tree.

Sigh, keep talking about the 'balanced' life..."have a little fun, have a little 'jesus'". :(

L
lastblast Aug 19, 2006

hmmhmm,

I think we all go through this, if we are to be honest. The Spirit brings conviction/knowledge about what pleases/displeases the Lord. The reason we feel bad is because we still care too much about what "man" thinks/feels in regards to how we walk. Even though we do what we know is right, we are not yet at that point where we "glory" in the knowledge of what a life of obedience brings---within ourselves AND what it will do in the lives of those who observe our faith/obedience in action. :-)

C
Compton Aug 19, 2006

I think there is something more in Washer's preaching then a fitful mood or personality expression. Washer sounds like a man who has seen something real...

There is an ethos of false piety and decency in the American church that pacifies, quells, and deactivates the radical convert. The unsaved world may laugh and scoff and even hurt, imprison, or kill Christians. But modern American Christianity does something else to the heart of a Christian... by and large it denies the power of Godliness while claiming to possess the fullness of the Gospel.

I had mentioned earlier a sermon from Samuel Willard, a Boston puritan, who was crying out against the wickedness of the colonies circa 1700. In essence he said that a land is not wicked simply because wicked people live there. The wicked, he noted, have always been on the Earth, and the Godly have always had to coexist with them. No, instead, a land becomes wicked when those who are known to be righteous live as the wicked and do not suffer reproach for it. Furthermore, he noted that the damage done is that these “righteous” people are “indisputable denials of the power of Godliness.” Willard has described the American colonies circa 2007 perfectly.

I do not think it is too far to speculate that many sincere Christians, maybe even some right here at Sermon Index, are so grieved by the unreality that characterizes the American confession, that they secretly wonder if they are being prepared for real and outward persecution. They may fear open persecution, but they are weary of being lulled to sleep, and dissuaded of the truth by their lukewarm pastors and fellow congregants...I am not saying this interest in persecution is right, but the desire for reality instead of appearance is understandable.

Nothing is worse then false confession of true doctrine. When we claim that we grasp the doctrinal reality of Jesus' unimaginable condescension from glory to our disgraceful, state, and then respond with our own arrogant condescension to Him, we are denying what we claim to believe. Many who courteously oblige themselves to "accepting Jesus" may actually be moving further from the Kingdom of God, not closer. A lukewarm church member is at risk of becoming Gospel-proof…a smug condition worse off then that of the lowest rank sinner that the world would give up on. It would be better for everyone involved, from the true-hearted Christian who is controlled by the false-hearted pastor, to the black-hearted sinner who stumbles over hypocrasy, if false oaths were taken under some other banner then the Gospel of Jesus.

He said to the disciples, "It is impossible that no occasions of stumbling should come, but woe to him through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.

MC

Y
Yeshuasboy Aug 19, 2006

The Lord bless you,


sermonindex wrote:

. Is this too intense and radical, or is it someone who believes the Lord at His words?

I think anyone who believes the Lord at His words will be considered too intense and radical...no doubt. And this is what church leadership should be doing, if they're not. Let us let God show His real church to the world, and let us press on in faith regardless of what others think, and we will if we obey the great command found in Mark 12:30. The fear of man is a great snare to the Church of Christ. But God is able to keep us(2Tim 4:16-18)...May it be done according to your faith in Christ. The real adventure begins when we begin to follow Christ being led by the Spirit of God.
Who can downplay the testimony of the Holy Spirit in the life of a man?...for this is truly radical indeed :-)
For we serve a Mighty God,
richie

R
roadsign Aug 20, 2006

Is this too intense and radical, or is it someone who believes the Lord at His words?

Greg, this one is for real! It reminds me of a time I heard George Verwer in Toronto at Missionfest. I will never forget it. I felt pinned to the back of the pew - the conviction was so strong. Washer, like Verwer, is for real.

Consider the experiences they have both walked through – they have been “out there” in the dying world. And they both have laid their own lives on the line.

I sense that Paul Washer is not copying a method. He is not putting on a prefabricated emotion. He is not pushing for a quick conversion, or issuing threats. He is crying from his heart - or rather, the heart of Christ.

I’m glad you put this up, as it helps us sharpen our discernment between radical intensity that expresses a soft and caring heart, and radical intensity that flows from a hardened and possibly bitter heart. There is a vast difference. The one causes you to feel convicted, the other hopelessly condemned. The one moves you towards radical change, the other paralyzes you. One is like a sharp scalpel in the hands of a qualified surgeon, the other like a sledge hammer in the hands of a careless fool.

Diane

This discussion is locked.

Archived
1 of 9 posts