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sermonindex Sep 3, 2006

Hello,

A little while back, I sent a link to Paul Washer's "Shocking Youth Sermon" to all student leaders and staff of the ministry I am involved in (Campus Crusade for Christ).

I recieved some good feedback from most of the people who listened to it, but also some really disturbing comments as well. One girl jokingly called it "satanic" and said that her pastor talked about "those guys who take passages about hell and always talk about them." My solemn suggestion was that she read the gospels and decide for herself where the emphasis is placed.

Which got me thinking: does anyone have any interesting statistics concerning just that?

How many times did Jesus talk about hell compared to heaven? What about in the NT or entire Bible? Judgement vs. grace? Etc?


Endless Love.

-K DAY

sermonindex Sep 3, 2006

I have been reading those the gospels again and am realizing not how much Jesus just talked about hell but how much he talks about heaven and ETERNITY. Every time he mentions the "Kingdom of God" his "Father in Heaven" or "life" , "everlasting life" and also all the mentions of hell these are all talking about things to come. Every page of the gospels has this so basically Jesus's teaching and preaching ALWAYS had "eternal" values in it.

It is so sad to hear preaching today that has nothing of eternity in it.

I am going though my bible and marking every verse about "eternity" and "eternal values" it is one of the keys of being a Christian to have our mindset there and obviously the Apostle Paul taught this.

L
lovegrace Sep 3, 2006

A side note. Repentance in the Hebrew mean to 'TURN TO GOD' not turn away from sin.

So think of this way, Christ didn't say 'turn away from sin, the kingdom of heaven is at hand' but instead 'turn to GOD, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Jesus focused on the good. Not bad. (some-what. ;-) )

C
crsschk Sep 3, 2006

[u]Repent[/u]

[b]H5162
נחם
nâcham
naw-kham'[/b]

A primitive root; properly to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort (self), ease [one’s self], repent (-er, -ing, self).

This, from a cursory glance seems to be indicative of God's 'repentance', I.E.

Jon 3:9 Who4310 can tell3045 if God430 will turn7725 and repent,5162 and turn away7725 from his fierce4480, 2740 anger,639 that we perish6 not?3808

~~~~~~~~

[b]H7725
שׁוּב
shûb
shoob[/b]

A primitive root; to turn back (hence, away) transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively (not necessarily with the idea of return to the starting point); generally to retreat; often adverbially again: - ([break, build, circumcise, dig, do anything, do evil, feed, lay down, lie down, lodge, make, rejoice, send, take, weep]) X again, (cause to) answer (+ again), X in any case (wise), X at all, averse, bring (again, back, home again), call [to mind], carry again (back), cease, X certainly, come again (back) X consider, + continually, convert, deliver (again), + deny, draw back, fetch home again, X fro, get [oneself] (back) again, X give (again), go again (back, home), [go] out, hinder, let, [see] more, X needs, be past, X pay, pervert, pull in again, put (again, up again), recall, recompense, recover, refresh, relieve, render (again), X repent, requite, rescue, restore, retrieve, (cause to, make to) return, reverse, reward, + say nay, send back, set again, slide back, still, X surely, take back (off), (cause to, make to) turn (again, self again, away, back, back again, backward, from, off), withdraw.

Where this would be indicative of our repentance I.E.;

Eze 18:30 Therefore3651 I will judge8199 you, O house1004 of Israel,3478 every one376 according to his ways,1870 saith5002 the Lord136 GOD.3069 Repent,7725 and turn7725 yourselves from all4480, 3605 your transgressions;6588 so iniquity5771 shall not3808 be1961 your ruin.4383

The only reference in Hebrew I could find on the word [i]repentance[/i] was;

[b]H5164
נחם
nôcham
no'-kham[/b]

From H5162; ruefulness, that is, desistance: - repentance.

Which is dervied from nâcham, at top here.

Hos 13:14 I will ransom6299 them from the power4480, 3027 of the grave;7585 I will redeem1350 them from death:4480, 4194 O death,4194 I will be165 thy plagues;1698 O grave,7585 I will be165 thy destruction:6987 repentance5164 shall be hid5641 from mine eyes.4480, 5869



So think of this way, Christ didn't say 'turn away from sin, the kingdom of heaven is at hand' but instead 'turn to GOD, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Well, He most certainly did say turn away from sin if not directly, by implication, and with the uttmost severity, even to limb dismemeberment if you recall. You must turn away from something to go in the other direction.

[i]From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.[/i] Mat 4:17

[b]Mat 3:2 -
Repent[/b]
- Μετανοειτε. This was the matter of the preaching. The verb μετανοεω is either compounded of μετα, after, and νοειν to understand, which signifies that, after hearing such preaching, the sinner is led to understand, that the way he has walked in was the way of misery, death, and hell. Or the word may be derived from μετα after, and ανοια, madness, which intimates that the whole life of a sinner is no other than a continued course of madness and folly: and if to live in a constant opposition to all the dictates of true wisdom; to wage war with his own best interests in time and eternity; to provoke and insult the living God; and, by habitual sin, to prepare himself only for a state of misery, be evidences of insanity, every sinner exhibits them plentifully. It was from this notion of the word, that the Latins termed repentance resipiscentia, a growing wise again, from re and sapere; or, according to Tertullian, Resipiscentia, quasi receptio mentis ad se, restoring the mind to itself: Contra Marcion, lib. ii. Repentance, then, implies that a measure of Divine wisdom is communicated to the sinner, and that he thereby becomes wise to salvation. That his mind, purposes, opinions, and inclinations, are changed; and that, in consequence, there is a total change in his conduct. It need scarcely be remarked, that, in this state, a man feels deep anguish of soul, because he has sinned against God, unfitted himself for heaven, and exposed his soul to hell. Hence, a true penitent has that sorrow, whereby he forsakes sin, not only because it has been ruinous to his own soul, but because it has been offensive to God.

[b]The kingdom of heaven is at hand[/b] - Referring to the prophecy of Daniel, Dan_7:13,Dan_7:14, where the reign of Christ among men is expressly foretold. This phrase, and the kingdom of God, mean the same thing, viz. the dispensation of infinite mercy, and manifestation of eternal truth, by Christ Jesus, producing the true knowledge of God, accompanied with that worship which is pure and holy, worthy of that God who is its institutor and its object. But why is this called a kingdom? Because it has its laws, all the moral precepts of the Gospel: its subjects, all who believe in Christ Jesus: and its king, the Sovereign of heaven and earth. N. B. Jesus Christ never saved a soul which he did not govern; nor is this Christ precious or estimable to any man who does not feel a spirit of subjection to the Divine will.

But why is it called the kingdom of Heaven? Because God designed that his kingdom of grace here should resemble the kingdom of glory above. And hence our Lord teaches us to pray, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. The kingdom of heaven is not meat and drink, says St. Paul, Rom_14:17; does not consist in the gratification of sensual passions, or worldly ambition; but is righteousness, peace, and joy, in the Holy Ghost. Now what can there be more than this in glory? Righteousness, without mixture of sin; peace, without strife or contention; joy, in the Holy Ghost, spiritual joy, without mixture of misery! And all this, it is possible, by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, to enjoy here below. How then does heaven itself differ from this state? Answer. It makes the righteousness eternal, the peace eternal, and the joy eternal. This is the heaven of heavens! The phrase, kingdom of heaven, מלכות שמים malcuth shamayim, is frequently used by the rabbinical writers, and always means, the purity of the Divine worship, and the blessedness which a righteous man feels when employed in it. It is farther added, This kingdom is at hand. The dispensation of the glorious Gospel was now about to be fully opened, and the Jews were to have the first offers of salvation. This kingdom is also at hand to us; and wherever Christ crucified is preached, there is salvation to be found. Jesus is proclaimed to thee, O man! as infinitely able and willing to save. Believe in his name - cast thy soul upon his atonement, and enter into rest!

[i]Adam Clarke[/i]

To also address the original question, if you have not already a great Bible program used by many here is [url=http://www.e-sword.net/]e-Sword[/url], a tremendous program that is still free remarkably enough. (All of the above derived from it). It would go a long way in answering the question on 'statistics' by doing a keyword search.

sermonindex Sep 3, 2006


sermonindex wrote:
I have been reading those the gospels again and am realizing not how much Jesus just talked about hell but how much he talks about heaven and ETERNITY.

Actually, I am doing almost the same thing. I am in Matthew right now and am noticing that almost all of Jesus' parables are about the kingdom of heaven. And I think you are right - the believer should focus on eternity and not only hell.

My request for statistics, however, was intended to help bring balance back to the way many people present the gospel. Indeed, repentance and judgement are extremely prevelant in scripture and are in no way adequately represented in most of the preaching/sharing of the gospel that I am around. I was thinking some specific statistics concerning the frequency that the Bible addresses these issues might help me better respond to a girl who jokes that Paul Washer is satanic for emphasizing judgement and repentence when preaching the gospel. It would be nice to statistically show her that this was an emphasis that Jesus had as well and that she is in error.

-K DAY

L
lovegrace Sep 3, 2006

[url=http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/7/1157321640-7657.html]Repent in hebrew[/url]

Turning to God, IS turning away from sin. ;-)

P
philologos Sep 4, 2006

The prevailing thought of the word translated 'repent' in Hebrew is 'grief'. The prevailing thought of the word translated 'repent' in Greek is 'chosen change'. Together they go a fair way to showing us what God wants us to understand by repentance.

Jesus' definition of repentance was Jonah 3. “The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.”
(Matt 12:41 KJVS)Now all we have to do is observe how the people of Nineveh responded to know if the necessary elements of repentance are present in us.

L
letsgetbusy Sep 5, 2006

Words of Christ to Paul:

Acts 26:18a "To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God"

L
letsgetbusy Sep 5, 2006

To the original question:

I would be interested to hear this. I have always heard Jesus spoke of money the most in His parables, and then hell was next. Have also heard (and this is evident) that He spoke of hell more than any other character in the Bible.

Comfort's answer to a similar question was to notate on the bottom of the page in his book 'What Did Jesus Do?' by putting a footnote after each verse Christ spoke, and categorizing the verse into a particular subject. Interesting to see the results, many times it looked like this:

1) Judgment
2) Future punishment
3) Future punishment
5) Judgment
7) Future punishment
8) Law
10)Law
12)Law

B
BeYeDoers Sep 6, 2006

I am reading through the OT right now, and I see similar results. For example: In Deut. 28, God uses ~80% threat of curses and 20% promise of blessings in order to motivate the people to obey. John Wesley said we should use 90% law and 10% grace, which may be a little on the heavy side, but definitely closer than 50/50!!

As far as Campus Crusade for Christ goes, I've been dealing with this issue for 5 years. It will be interesting to point out to staff members and student leaders of that movement that Bill Bright, their founder and champion, said things like, "I have failed in my ministry to declare the reality of hell as often as I have the love of God and the benefits of a personal relationship with Christ. But Jesus spent more of His time warning His listeners of the impending judgment of gell than speaking of the joys of heaven." And, "I have thus come to see that silence, or even benign neglect on these subjects is disobedience on my part." Also, "It is the duty of every believer to warn others of the reality of hell."

But interestingly enough, to the best of my knowledge, millions of people around the world in the crusade movement still use their judgment-less, hell-less, man-centered shallow pamphlets with no attempts being made to modify them.

But I digress. In all of my Bible reading, judgment outweighs promise by a landslide.

H
HopeinChrist Sep 6, 2006

How many times did Jesus talk about hell compared to heaven?


I would also be interested in knowing how much he talked about our life on earth. ie I have come to give you life to the full. I was taught that when Jesus talked about the kingdom of God this was the ways or nature of God which would correlate to how we are living now. The kingdom of heaven wouuld be in reference to the place of heaven.

Any thoughts on this?
HopeInChrist

C
crsschk Sep 6, 2006

With a bit of hesitation ...

It has been said, that you well often find what you are looking for. The problem with numbers and 'stats' is in the way's they can be manipulated. Just as well, when it comes to scripture it would be wise to recognise that this is more than a book of facts, it is life and living...

Much that is alluded to in scripture, that is contextual, a continuation of thought, to merely segregate out words, catagorize them may be telling in usage, frequency even, but of importance? Not so sure that the oft repeated idea that the Lord spoke more of _______ (Money, hell, etc.) really adds up in this statistical math.

With that as a backdrop and one last exhortation given, that we lift things up out of scripture to examine them, but be sure to put them back where you found them (Philologos paraphrased). There may be more than a few surprises in frequency of word usage, if we are to measure by this somewhat shaky system;

From the New Testament {KJV};

Sin - 90
Holy - 169
False - 28
Judgment - 74
Unbelief - 16
Child - 55
Hell - 23
Blind - 48
Perish - 30
Heaven - 238
Beloved - 61
Death - 124
Living - 40
Heart - 99
Children - 150
Money - 22
Heal - 22
Righteousness - 91
Suffer - 64
Evil - 119
Spirit - 234
Holiness - 13
Repentance - 25
Healing - 9
Holy Ghost - 89
Jesus - 942
God - 1196
Faith - 229
Kingdom - 150
Hope - 53
Wrath - 45
Pray - 66
Repent - 22
Healed - 45
Forgiveness - 6
Bitterness - 31
Hate - 16
Trust - 27
Mercy - 53
Righteous - 37
Joy - 60
Grave - 8
Love - 157
Word - 197
Prayer - 31
Soul - 36
Obey - 24
Promise - 43
Glory - 157
Praying - 14
Law - 172
Suffering - 5
Peace - 104
Thanks - 36
Salvation - 43
Commandments - 30
Lord - 670
Fear - 78
Believe - 114
Amen - 50
Truth - 109
Life - 170

sermonindex Sep 6, 2006

Thanks for posting this, Mike. I also think you made a very important point in prefacing the stats. I am realizing it is probably more powerful to tell someone what Jesus said (by quoting scripture) as opposed to saying Jesus talked about this x times.

I have heard Tozer a few times give stats in his sermons breaking down different passages in terms of numbers. However, he always does what you suggested - he goes back and puts those numbers in context.

Thanks for the post.

-K DAY

sermonindex Sep 6, 2006

I just read this number on the av1611.org website (related to the "Corrupt Christian Music Industry" thread):

"Jesus Christ mentions hell over 70 times in the New Testament!"

I am not sure where this number is accurate, or where it came from, but I can imagine that sharing a number like that to one of the touchy-feely gospel camp may cause them to wonder why they mention it never.

-K DAY

sermonindex Sep 7, 2006



As far as Campus Crusade for Christ goes, I've been dealing with this issue for 5 years. It will be interesting to point out to staff members and student leaders of that movement that Bill Bright, their founder and champion, said things like, "I have failed in my ministry to declare the reality of hell as often as I have the love of God and the benefits of a personal relationship with Christ. But Jesus spent more of His time warning His listeners of the impending judgment of gell than speaking of the joys of heaven." And, "I have thus come to see that silence, or even benign neglect on these subjects is disobedience on my part." Also, "It is the duty of every believer to warn others of the reality of hell."

Yes, if I remember correctly, some of these quotes are in Ray Comfort's book, "Revival's Golden Key." I love sharing Bill Bright's sentiments at the end of his life with people involved in "Cru." It is sad that his words often have a larger effect on people than my pointing out to them Biblically the foundation for not neglecting these things.

I am still involved in Cru because I feel it is where God has me right now. It is hardly a source of spiritual nourishment, but God has shown me the need within this movement. Ministering to a ministy...

People have been coming against me fairly hard, calling me too harsh and saying I am not being fun enough. But through sermons I share with people, and my own testimony, I am already seeing people being rescued from their humanism.

-K DAY

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