GOD hates sin , but loves the sinner?

i hear this often, so i thought about it.... now i can see many verses that say god loves us, but i recently heard a paul washer sermon... and i heard ravenhilll say something like this to... that it isent so, do anyone know any verses that say god acctaly hates people that do sin?

christian

Ps 11:5, Ps 5:5, Ps 139:21-22 Prov 8:13 Mal 1:3

just some of them

ahhh found it myself :)

Psa 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

maybe theres more...

christian

hmmhmm wrote:
i hear this often, so i thought about it.... now i can see many verses that say god loves us, but i recently heard a paul washer sermon... and i heard ravenhilll say something like this to... that it isent so, do anyone know any verses that say god acctaly hates people that do sin?

christian

Psalms 11:5 Jehovah tries the righteous, but His soul hates the wicked and the one loving violence.

Pro 6:16 These six things Jehovah hates; yea, seven are hateful to his soul;...
Prov. 6:19 a false witness who breathes lies, and he who causes strife among brothers.

Hoseah 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal, for there I hated them. I will drive them out of My house for the wickedness of their doings, I will not add to love them; all their rulers are revolters.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Hebrews 10:31 "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
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It is very dificult to seperate the sin from the sinner.
Like homosexuals; they are recognized by their lifestyle, which is there theier sin not to mention the very act.

Actualy, I think that the term sinner is a very bad definition of what it means.
Spiritual death is the reason that people sin. In the same matter, People are not sinners because they sin as much as I am not a dog because I bark like one. However, People sin because they are sinners, as much as all dogs bark because they are dogs.

A sinner (a spiritualy dead person) can't do anythink but sin, even their most noble and sincere acts are tainted by sin.
So, if one sinnes, it doesn't make him a sinner, but being a sinner makes one sin.
Replace "sinner" with "spiritualy dead"

Why does one sin in the first place?

Because "Sinners" are seperated from God(spiritualy dead) and theirefore can not know good exept what there concience knows and consequently can not do good, and therefore they can not follow what they know to do(see Romans 7).
This is because the Law of Sin; when people would think to do good, evil is present with them....moreover, there is another law in their members, warring against the law of their mind(concience) and bringing them into captivity to the law of sin which is in their members.([b]Rom 7:22,24[/b])
[b]Romans 8:2[/b] [color=990000]For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[/color]

My premiss is that it is not the sin or even the lifestyle that God hates, it is the very fact that they are staying seperatede from Him when He made a way for us to be reconciled to Himself.

This is the very definition of death:
Death in the Bible is always pictured as a separation between two things(Jam 2:26).
It is also a Process that involves corruption or decay(Psa 16:10, Psa 49:9)

Adam died spiritually when he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He was separated form the true fellowship with God.

Now, death can't bring forth life, so whoever is born of Adam is still spiritually dead. This is why we need to be born again, born of the Spirit.

If one does not recieve eternal life, he remains spiritualy dead, and one is only thrown into hell for dieing in the state of spiritual death

What is Life?
Life is always pictured as a relaitionship with God [b]John 17:3[/b] [color=990000]Now this is eternal life: that they shall be knowing You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You sent.[/color]
It is also a process that involves growth and repair([b]Psalm 1:3[/b]).

do anyone know any verses that say god acctaly hates people that do sin?

The other question, I think, is "Will the Lord hate me [u]if[/u] I sin or does the Lord hate me [u]now[/u] because I have sinned?" This is a very serious question. I am afraid that we run the risk of not being able to ultimately survive our own preaching. There are times over my Christian life that I have indeed 'sinned'. I will not accuse anyone else, but I know I have 'sinned' as a believer. Desperate to love God I have stumbled and failed in areas. Just being honest here. Even in the midst of preaching repentance I have not been [i]perfect[/i]. We certainly should teach and preach perfection, but within what frame work? In a Finney theological construct it is one strike and you are out. That is a terrible perception of our relationship with God. I sinned and now God hates me? What misery.

The challenge is to preach perfection without sabotaging our own and others Christian life. This is not a new challenge. My pastor is about 67 years old and is old timey holiness. He gets on to me when I come off too strong and reminds me that everyone but one of the so-called "holiness or hell" preachers he has ever known have backslidden. We have to preach holiness and perfection, but we have to be careful how we do it. If we suggest God hates a person when they sin then we have said that the Father hates the son returning home. Will the son return home to a Father that hates him? Is this an accurate depiction of God? Certainly it is not.

Psalm 11:5
"The LORD tests the righteous,But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates."

Proverbs 6:16
"These six the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:"

Psalm 5:4-6
"4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness,
Nor shall evil dwell with You.
5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight;
You hate all workers of iniquity.
6 You shall destroy those who speak falsehood;
The LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man."

He hates them in righteousness. In justice he condemns them to hell.

Ezekiel 18:32
"For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord GOD. “Therefore turn and live!”"
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Revelation 21:8
"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”"

God has no problem calling people what they are. God hates in righteousness.

Job 42:6
"Therefore I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes.”

Actually, I think only God is allowed to hate the sinners. He alone is the just Judge. Yet, we should love them as Christ did... tell them of the cross. What more love is there to give? When we stand with God we will be happy to see Him ridding the universe of thier filth. Filth which we were forgiven of. Forgiveness which they have rejected. I mean, I'm open for discussion.

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Spurgeon wrote:

"“Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.” It is not a little dislike, but a thorough hatred which God bears to workers of iniquity. To be hated of God is an awful thing. O let us be very faithful in warning the wicked around us, for it will be a terrible thing for them to fall into the hands of an angry God! Observe, that evil speakers must be punished as well as evil workers, for “thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing.” All liars shall have their portion in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. A man may lie without danger of the law of man, but he will not escape the law of God. Liars have short wings, their flight shall soon be over, and they shall fall into the fiery floods of destruction. “The Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.” Bloody men shall be made drunk with their own blood, and they who began by deceiving others shall end with being deceived themselves. Our old proverb saith, “Bloody and deceitful men dig their own graves.” The voice of the people is in this instance the voice of God. How forcible is the word abhor! Does it not show us how powerful and deep-seated is the hatred of the Lord against the workers of iniquity?".

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well i dont think we should confuse gods holy hate whit our sinful hate...witch it is most of the time.... becuse when god hates ...that to is good right? so i dont think gods hate is like our hate...just as our love cant compare whit his love....

and i dont think we should go out screem GOD HATES YOU!!!

but i dont think the "frase" ohh god loves you , he just dosent like your sin... i dont think that is a true statement in light of scripture... his love is often spoken of.... i just think people take the love gospel and run whit that ...and only that.... and when god is all love its easy to forget he has other attributes to... what i meen is people use that frase to excuse peoples sins....try to make them look better, that ohh you just happend to sin..but besides that god is totally ok whit you....

It should be understood that when we speak of God hating sinners we are speaking of the unrepentant, the reprobate. (Romans 9:11-13)

To the elect, God’s children, He declares, "I have loved you with an everlasting love; Therefore I have drawn you with lovingkindness.” (Jeremiah 31:3)

God’s Spirit my be grieved, He may be angered by our sins and may have to discipline us for our unrepentance (Hebrews 12:5-6), but there is nothing in Scripture to suggest that He hates His own. Nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus! (Romans 8:31-39)

"well i dont think we should confuse gods holy hate whit our sinful hate...witch it is most of the time.... becuse when god hates ...that to is good right? so i dont think gods hate is like our hate...just as our love cant compare whit his love...."

I think God alone has the right to hate sinners. His hate is a just and holy hatred. I think His display of love on the cross shows His love and the casting of sinners into damnation is showing His hatred.

Here's where I think one needs to define 'love'.

I think that this ' love sinner but hate sins ' business can be quite tricky and destructive to ourselves if we find ourselves loving them by yoking or mingling with the sinning brethren or the unregenerates.

Instead, we should love them through prayers and perhaps admonitions whenever possible. This is by far an unwise call when it comes to our children.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye [b]not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: [/b]for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Separate ourselves from them, whether they be unbelievers or sinning believers ,( sin = unbelief ), while restore fellowhip with the them upon repentance.

Here's another precept of God from:

2 Chronicles 19:2
And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, [b]Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.[/b]

We know that our Lord told us to love even our enemies, again, with HIS kind of love. But the thread is about whether GOD HIMSELF hates sinners, the answer, in my mind is yes. If God doesn't hate sinners, there's really no need for the Cross or for hell. One would think. HE could just easily come out and forgive sins..and forget about everything.

God loves mankind and He is love.....hang on to those truths. The Bible clearly teaches that God is love, as well as that God shows love. For example, 1 John 4:8-9 says, "He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him."

Many Christians use the cliché "Love the sinner, hate the sin." However, we must realize that this is an exhortation to us as imperfect human beings. The difference between us and God in regard to loving and hating is vast. Even as Christians, we remain imperfect in our humanity and cannot love completely, nor can we hate without malice. But, God can do both of these perfectly well, because He is God! God can hate without any sinful intent at all. Therefore, he can hate the sin and the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still be willing to lovingly forgive at the moment of that sinner's repentance and faith (see Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 3 Peter 3:9). Mysterious, but true, God can perfectly love and hate a person at the same time. This means He can love them as someone He created and can redeemable, as well as hate them for their unbelief and sinful lifestyle. We, as imperfect human beings, cannot do this, thus we must remind ourselves to "love the sinner, hate the sin."

How exactly does that work? We hate sin by refusing to take part in it and by condemning it when we see it. Sin is not be hated, not excused or taken lightly. We love the sinner by being faithful in witnessing to them of the forgiveness that is available through Jesus Christ. A true act of love is treating someone with respect and kindness even though they know you do not approve of their lifestyle and/or choice. It is not loving to allow a person to remain stuck in sin. It is not hateful to tell a person they are in sin. In fact, the exact opposites are true.

Recommended Resource: The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God by D.A. Carson.

http://www.gotquestions.org/love-sinner-hate-sin.html

It is very dificult to seperate the sin from the sinner.

You can't seperate the sin from the sinner any more than you can the paint from the painting. There needs to be a new canvas to have one without stains of paint.

God loves mankind and He is love.....hang on to those truths.

We tend to pick at God's attributes to fit our fancies... Yes GOD IS LOVE but GOD IS HOLY HOlY HOLY. I like to hang on all the truths.

The Goodness of God is amazing but so is His righteousness and His holiness.
His justice demands a just punishment for sin (HELL). If the devil was cast from heaven on account of jealousy what makes us think we deserve to get in? Truth is we don't and that my friends is God's grace.

God requires us to love everyone, including enemies of the cross, but he himself hates them? Did Jesus love the many sinners he encountered?

I think God alone has the right to hate sinners. His hate is a just and holy hatred. I think His display of love on the cross shows His love and the casting of sinners into damnation is showing His hatred. Christ had compassion for them and told them the Gospel and then He died on the cross. What greater love is there? But don't forget Christ clearly warned them that if they did not change Christ Himself would judge them guilty and have them thrown into everlasting torment. His hatred is just. Do not speak things you do not understand and end up putting your foot in your mouth. We are speaking of God Almighty! Having the wreong view of Him is idolatry.

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PreachParsly wrote:

It is very dificult to seperate the sin from the sinner.

You can't seperate the sin from the sinner any more than you can the paint from the painting. There needs to be a new canvas to have one without stains of paint.

He loves us as His own creation, but he hates what man became when he fell and that is spiritualy dead, therefore He throws them in hell.

this is tricky...of course the bible says he loves people...god is love ..and so on...but we cant deny the other verses... it clearly says he hates...now i can understand even if he hates that to is good... but if someone can make some of this... i can clearly see how we can get "of track" whit this, ive heard this sermon by mr
Leiter
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its called wrath of god... but i cant see clearly how it all fits toghter...i see two sides

Wow, I am amazed at some of the statements here. I cannot believe what I am reading. Some of you speak as if God delights in "casting" sinners into hell as if it is some sort of sport. I can imagine that He weeps over every one because He died for each of them.

If God hates sinners then He certainly goes through alot of trouble to bring them to salvation.

I remember a popular verse that says "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son." It doesn't say "For God so loved the righteous" but "the world."

1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." It seems that He is even mediating on behalf of those whom He hates (as some here may believe).

When Jesus walked the earth He showed compassion, mercy and love to humanity, healing their sick and raising their dead, who were sinners by the way. Wow that sounds like a hateful God to me (sarcasm added).

In Matthew 5:43, 44 Jesus tells us to love our neighbor and our enemies, many of whom are sinners. How can He expect that from us if He Himself hates sinners.

Luke 6:32, "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them." How could God hold us to that standard if He only loved those who loved Him?

Or how about Luke 6:35, "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men." Showing kindness to those whom He hates?

This verse says it all. Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Look at the great commission. He gives the comission out of His love for the sinner. If God hates sinners because of His holiness, then (according to some here) since we are commanded to be holy as He is holy we aught to have the same hatred, right? Why then should we evangelise those whom we should hate? Why do people evangelise to begin with? Because they have a passion and a love for the people to come to Christ.

In Philippians Paul tells us the attitude that Christ has towards sinners. Phil 2:5-8, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Let me paraphrase that for you. In other words, the attitude that Christ had was that it was not worth being equal to God if all of mankind went to hell.

Here is more, Ephesians 2:1-5, " And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)"

1Th 3:12 "and may the Lord cause you to increase and abound in love for one another, and for all people, just as we also do for you"

Tit 3:4 "But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared"

1Jo 4:10 "In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

1Jo 4:19 "We love, because He first loved us."