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Nov 8, 2006
Many voices, in the media and the pulpit, would have us believe that God is a Republican.
Many voices, in the media and the pulpit, would have us believe that God is a Republican.
I've found that all parties have sincere believers within positions of power, and both have those in positions of power who use the name of Christ to gain power. While I personally line up more along the platform on the right, I did cast a vote or two for Democrats yesterday, because they were people of integrity and accountability (and, not to mention, didn't bash or demean their opponent on the campaign trail, which was refreshing).
It is sad that a lot of American society sees God sitting on his throne with one arm around an elephant and the other holding an American flag. I just hope true believers in the States recognize that God goes far beyond the political games that we mere men play down here.
A Democrat here in western NC beat out a 16 year incumbant Republican for Congress. I have voted for the Republican every election, including yesterday.
The reason I didnt vote for the Democrat yesterday was because I dont think giving the Dems control of Congress, and having Nancy Pelosi (however you spell her name) as the Speaker of the House is going to be the best thing for our country.
The Republican has a history of voting pro-Life, pro-military... all the things I want my Congressman to vote for. The Democrat has never held public office, but his platform was identical to the Republican.
But I was pleasantly surprised when I watched the Democrat give his victory speech on the 11 o'clock news last night... he started by saying:
"First... I want to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!"
In 16 years I've never heard our Republican say anything like that.
If the new Congressman votes the way he says he is going to... I will be voting Democrat for at least one office. I already emailed him and told him I would be keeping track of his voting record... and thanked him for his honoring the Lord first and formost.
See!! I can be a good sport!
Krispy
Krispy you radical christian you! 8-) God Bless you, it's always a joy to read your comments. I trust your football season went well. Your brother in Christ -- daryl
One thing you guys need to be careful of is giving too much credence to politicians.
After the 2004 elections, the Democrats regrouped and decided it was more in their best interest to appear "religious". They realized that they had lost because churches came out in full force to vote. They knew that if they were ever to get back in office they would have to capitalize on that.
How did they do it? Well, they did what they do best; they sniffed out Republicans who were acting immoral and even sniffed out a prominent religious leader right before the election and exposed them.
What happened Tuesday was not what it appeared to be. It was a Trojan horse attempt to win back voters. Kennedy is still there. Kerry is still there. Hillary is still there. And now, Pelosi is REALLY there!
What you will see in the next few years will show you that they have not "found religion", but influence.
Did you know that Nancy Pelosi has served on the executive committee of the socialist-leaning Progressive Caucus.
All the things they fought for before will still be pushed on the American people, only this time we eleceted them to do it.
Dont say "we"... I didnt vote for any of them.
Krispy
Hello...
While both parties are far from perfect, it would be difficult for me to vote for the Democratic Party. Why? Their [url=http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf]party platform
The platform calls for an end to the “discrimination” of homosexuals (including by religious organizations), and embraces a desire for the legalization of gay marriage. The platform believes in comprehensive sex education to be taught in schools with no mention of abstinence. This includes teaching elementary aged school children (as young as first and second grade) about the need for sexual diversity and acceptance – and that children should be taught that homosexuality is “normal.” According to the National Journal, Howard Dean (a Democratic candidate for President in 2004 and the current Chair of the Democratic Party) even endorsed a requirement that 5 to 10 percent of all Democratic Party delegates to be openly homosexual.
The Democratic Party also promises that abortion should be legal under [u]all
The Democratic Party also embraces “embryonic stem cell research.” This procedure calls for the mass development of “test tube embryos” to be destroyed by having their stem cells removed when they are in the 5th or 6th day of development. By this time, the unborn child has a face, eyes and arms. The Republican Party, however, stands opposed to all of these things.
The Democratic Party certainly embraces some other ideas and beliefs that are not nearly as offensive to believers. They believe in gun control, environmental protection, “universal” healthcare and welfare programs, etc… However, a position concerning these things is not so obviously defined in the Word of God.
Please don't confuse this post as an embrace of the Republican Party -- or an attack on the Democratic Party. There are certainly some nice people in the Democratic Party -- particularly on a local level. And as a couple of recent scandals prove, there are some questionable characters in the Republican Party. I simply want to point out some major issues with the Democratic Party platform.
I personally find it difficult to support a state or national candidate who is forced to accept the overall goals of what is contained in the Democratic Party's platform. The fact that the Democratic Party will fight hard to further the causes of abortion, a forced embracement of the homosexual lifestyle and the limitation of public displays of faith are reasons enough for me to not cast a vote for them. While the Republican Party is far from perfect (and of course), it might be worth voting for some of them if it can somehow prevent the murders of nearly 1 million children every year.
I know some believers that feel that it is out of place for Christians to be involved with the political processes or laws of this country. Some even reject any sort of voting altogether as a work of darkness. Yet some of these same individuals complain about the rise of ungodliness in this society that was once so founded upon Biblical principles. In my opinion, you lose much of your right to complain if you failed to even cast a vote. A vote is, after all, simply a voice.
I hope to one day get married and have children. Even now, I care deeply about my parents and siblings. As such, I believe that it is within my responsibility to protect and provide for my family. One way to do this is to vote -- and vote wisely. I feel that too often, believers attempt to seperate the "spiritual" from the "natural" things of our lives. In my opinion, our relationship with God extends through every fabric of our lives. This includes our spiritual deeds, but also our relationships, our jobs, and yes, our votes.
:-)
Everyone is freaking out over the outcome of the election, and y'all know that I'm not very pleased about it either.
But I have one question... who is in control? The Republicans? The Democrats?
... or is God still in control?
Krispy
KrispyKrittr wrote:
Everyone is freaking out over the outcome of the election, and y'all know that I'm not very pleased about it either.But I have one question... who is in control? The Republicans? The Democrats?
... or is God still in control?
Krispy
There was an election?
j/k
I expected that people would punish Bush for the war and scandal, but what I can't understand is that, in many cases, people chose a platform for sodomite marriage, baby murder and the like. I can't understand the jump in logic. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the guy I wanted to win, won, though I myself didn't vote.
Now that said, had my state had a ballot referendum like South Dakota, I'd been the first at the polls with an abortion sign so people can see what they're voting for. On the flip side, its really awesome that 44% of those who voted in SD really don't want abortion.
But I have one question... who is in control? The Republicans? The Democrats?... or is God still in control?
Indeed, and if this realization doesn't cause us to tremble then what will?
On Columbus radio today, a local pastor, Bob Bernie observed:
"America's problem is not political, it's spiritual.
If there had been a Republican landslide (this past election), the country's spiritual condition would have been just as deplorable...
...Our churches don't need more political activism, but need to get back to being the church."
Some important statements.... May his tribe increase dramatically.
MC
Compton... that quote is so true.
I believe we have a civic duty as Americans and Christians to being involved in the voting process... but what I see today in the American Church is more concern about politics, and not a whole lot of concern about people all around us lost and going to hell.
Krispy
but what I see today in the American Church is more concern about politics, and not a whole lot of concern about people all around us lost and going to hell.
I think you just described the (tragic) mission statement of American Christianity. Very well said. May your tribe increase dramatically too brother!
Bush (sr? jr?) used to talk about a thousand points of light. I pray sincerely we see a thousand points of pentecostal fires ignited in small local fellowships all over the map.
MC
tpique1,
"sniffed out"?...or you speaking about Tom DeLay, and Ney and Abramhoff?....all who were as corrupt and money hungry as the day is long? (and DeLay publicly professed Christ..great witness)
They, the democrats didnt have to "sniff" out anything, is was so blatant and arrogant and in the light of day, that it wasn't hard to discern what the democrats call the "culture of corruption"....
and as far as Ted Haggard is concerned, do you really want to have this discussion? Ted Haggrad wasn't "sniffed" out by Anybody other than God, Who saw a white washed tomb, a hypocrite, a pharisee, one of the leading luminaries of the religious right shrieking about the "homosexual political agenda", and called his hypocrisy in front of the whole world......AND WHAT A WONDERFUL WITNESS THAT WAS.
...what a stench the word "evangelical" now conjures up in the body politic and the verbiage of the unbelieveing world, thank you Ted Haggard, and may God guard my own heart and my own walk in such a way that I don't bring discredit to the Name.
Frankly, I don't like your post. Greg Gordon, has told me NOT to write political posts on this forum, but when I start to see red republican whining and crying, and then trashing a woman, I myself am not wild about, thats it! I'm going call you on it.
Did YOU know that Ted Haggard was a member of the Council on National Policy? (wikipedia that)....along with several other prominent members of what would be termed as the "luminaries of the religious right".
Look that one up.
I'm done.
God go with you sir, bartle
very well put! dr. james dobson (who some have accused of being too political) has some very good and encouraging points that he made today! marrige ammendments have been voted on to ban gay marriage in nearly 24 states. so while voters gave the tip of the hat to democrats the "value voters" were still voicing thier convictions in the voting booth!
You and I have had this discussion before, and I have about five minutes before I have to go to work, so I cannot demolish all your arguments as I would see fit, but I do find it ironic, that Greg Gordon has asked me to refrain from political posting, whilst you get to systematically trash a party I am proud to be a member of.
Brother, the Democratic party is a LARGE tent, in my neck of the woods, "gun control" is hitting your target, and I'll tell you this, if we as the RICHEST nation have one child that doesn't have medical insurance, something is very very wrong....furthermore "enviromental protection" is a God breathed command, He told us to be stewards of this earth, its only the money worshipping idolaters that would put profit ahead of this stewardship, and breath life into real legislation that would halt the spread of greehnouse gases.
WELFARE PROGRAMS? you mention that? you gotta be kidding me, the greatest welfare program of all is to the companies who suck off the Department of Defense, meanwhile our guys and girls gotta beg to get armoured Humvees.
Let me tell you two fallacies that are have gotten and are GETTING trounced in the lastest election cycle:
A. the republicans are the party of faith.
B. the republicans are the party of national defense.
those two lies are the ones that are begininng to be exposed, and I am more than happy to say that I come from a party who gave you a President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who with the help and mercy of a Loving God, pulled this nation out of some really dire bad times....and I'm a follower of Christ.
I could say a LOT more, but work calls.
Greg.....I know what I said, but c'mon now, right is right...Freedom is messy, and free will is what we all have.
May God prevent this nation from every devolving into a theocracy wedded to an emperor.
oh, one last thing, if its true that this nation was founded on "biblical principles", why was it that the abomnidable sin of slavery was not only at its foundation, but flourished, UNTIL a group of sold out Christians labored, non violently and with stealth to combat this evil...why is it, to this very day, that WE as a nation DON'T REPENT OF THIS SIN to our fellow countrymen who are African-American? Why is it that you rarely see any God fearing black pastor aligned with the "religious right"?
I'll leave it at that.
bartle
dr. james dobson (who some have accused of being too political
I'll get to you later.
Dr James Dobson is.........I'll get to that later.
I don't think we want to have this discussion.
I thought the election was over gentlemen... ;-)
I thought the election was over gentlemen...
As well as this thread. The truly sad part about this is that the issues of the heart never get recognized, if it were so it might be profitable to continue it. It's not the issues, it's the ideology, the party affiliations and all the associated baggage and venom and bitterness and opinions of mere men made ... and on and on and on. It is out of place on this site. It has been mentioned before that one rarely hears of the other representative countries government's and [i]politics
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