dont yell at me!

don't yell at me! what is the biblical use of preaching on hell-fire, for evangelism? I say hell-fire because I speak about hell in my evangelism but normally it's used in the sense of you are not on God's team but the opposing team and if you don't come to His team during your life He will not let onto it after you die, and you will spend an eternity without God, this entails a lot of suffering!

I know there are many around here who use it quite alot in their evangelism, and some use it a little, and some dont use it at all. i really have not gone through the gospels enough to know how often jesus speaks about hell to those who are unconverted(i know he speaks on it but how often is it to his disciples and later apostles and how often to the crowds or pharisees), i have been through acts a good bit and i don't remember the apostles using hell-fire too much or any at all in their preaching. [b]remember dont yell at me PLEASE![/b]:) just lookin for info on the subject. thanks for the info in advance

Let's look at a few scriptures.

Ezekiel 3v19, 'Yet if you warn the wicked and he does not turn form his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your soul'.

Delivered your soul from what? Hell?

Luke 3v7, John the Baptist says, 'Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, 'Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come'.

What wrath? Whose? The wrath of God? Notice he is speaking to the multitudes.

In the sermon on the mount in Matthew 5v29 Jesus says 'If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you, for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for you whole body to be cast into hell'.

Hell? Literal hell?

Mark 8v36, 'For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?'.

Lose his soul in hell?

On the occasions mentioned, both John the Baptist and Jesus are speaking to crowds, not just disciples.

Even in the book of Acts, Peter mentions the resurrection of Christ and that His soul was not left in Hades (hell), nor did His flesh see corruption.

Hope this helps a little. Maybe someone else has other thoughts.

Did I yell?

God bless.

enid,

Are you saying Hell isn't real?

I was just curious because I was interpreting the below that enid meant hell was figurative.

In the sermon on the mount in Matthew 5v29 Jesus says 'If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you, for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for you whole body to be cast into hell'.

Hell? Literal hell?

Maybe the implied answer was "yes, hell is literal." I was just wondering. :-)

EDIT: Ok, I just reread the post and looked at some other posts of enid's, I was interpreting it wrong. Please forgive me!

WOW! I'VE OFTEN WONDERED ABOUT PEOPLE IN CHURCH WHEN THE P[REACHER SAYS, "THEY ARE GOING TO HELL (REFERING TO SOME LOST WORLDLY FOLKS) AND THE PEOPLE SHOUT AMEN AND CLAP THIER HAND AS THOUGH THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD FEELS ABOUT IT!
SOMETIMES I DON'T THINK WE HEAR WHAT WE HEAR.

searchin wrote:
WOW! I'VE OFTEN WONDERED ABOUT PEOPLE IN CHURCH WHEN THE P[REACHER SAYS, "THEY ARE GOING TO HELL (REFERING TO SOME LOST WORLDLY FOLKS) AND THE PEOPLE SHOUT AMEN AND CLAP THIER HAND AS THOUGH THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD FEELS ABOUT IT!
SOMETIMES I DON'T THINK WE HEAR WHAT WE HEAR.

searchin,

Did you know that writing in caps is usally taken as yelling? :-D

Concerning the original post, I thought:

1. The poster was appealing to all not to start yelling and getting mad concerining the question.

2. Was also asking if it was scriptual to preach hell to people, and what examples in scripture could be cited to do so.

That was my understanding.

I just gave reference from scripture for the poster to study and to help him with his questions.

For myself personally, I believe, as the Bible states, that hell is a literal place of torment.

God sent Jesus to die on the cross for our sins, so we could avoid everlasting punishment.

It's shocking that we don't warn people more.

We don't always have to speak about hell, unless God directs us to do so. But we should be witnessing and yearning for the lost to be won.

Don't want to get too boring.

God bless.

i hope i didnt come across as saying that Hell wasn't real; that is definitely not what i meant to ask; what i meant was how much is too much or too little on Hell in evangelism. such as i've seen people who will only talk about Hell and it seems (to me)like the focus is on that person going to Hell. and i've seen people totally leave out hell and just tell people that jesus wants to be their savior from some unnamed thing and not even mentioning the wrath of God or anything. I don't really like either of these approaches and was just lookin for some insight on that i guess. i kinda like the one that talks about hell and talks about a savior but i think putting too much emphasis on what god can do or will do to that person is bad as i think we should be shifting the focus from that person onto the God of the universe and helping them to understand just what God is and what it is they have done; i don't know if this makes any sense at all i think i'm rambling...if this doesnt make sense just pray for me, because i've been around my campus long enough to see both extremes of what seems to me like humanistic christianity (save yourself from hell cause it's bad and you don't wanna go there!/jesus loves you and if you'll just take him as savior you can go to heaven forever!) these both are true statements but when they become the main focus it gets under my skin. anyways

thanks for not yelling :D

Hell is like a curse word if used in the American church... Its really sad.

Praise Jesus!!!

Although as believers we spend much time speaking and thinkining of Kingdom come, Jesus spent more time warning people of hell and damnation.

One of the most signifigant differences between biblical Christianity and Christian cults is the doctrine of hell. Christians teach of a place of eternal torment whereas cults minimize and outright deny its existence.

A couple more references from the Lord that haven't been mentioned are from the judgment of sheep and goats MT 25

Mt 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

and the Rich man and Lazarus Luke 16

Lu 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Lu 16:24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'

Lu 16:26 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'

These descriptions should rightfully terrify those that God's wrath abides upon.

It should however grieve us that are saved and compel us to do all that is possible to share the salvation we have in Christ. For truly Hell is just as eternal and horrible as Paradise is eternal and glorious.

Hisservant rich

Matthew 4:17

Hi Greg (SermonIndex)...

I believe he is asking about the principle of raising your voice and yelling that people are going to hell. I believe you cannot do this without tears or a deep sorrow in your heart. If you can say those words asthetically then you are ministring death to your hearers.

I have traveled several times to the Tarahumara in the Sierra Madre Occidental of Chihuahua. The Tarahumara do not have a written language (rather, it is simply a phonetic language recorded using syllables and vowels from Spanish). Most of the Tarahumara do not speak or read Spanish. Their language, and their culture, is quite unemotional and quiet. I have witnessed a child die in the arms of his mother -- yet the mother did not even weep in front of us.

The missionary that I travel with warned us not to "scream" when we preach. Why? The Tarahumara are not accustomed to such a manner of speech. The only time someone screams in their culture is when someone is angry at a person. Thus, the ministers preach with "normal" volume of speech. Yet even with our quiet tone, the Lord still moved mightily!

If a group can hear you (with or without a microphone), then why resort to screaming? I feel that, as a minister, you simply need to "be yourself in Christ" when you present the Gospel. If you are moved to tears -- then weep. If it includes raising your voice periodically, then do so. But we do not need to imitate the vocal mannerisms of one another. And we certainly need to understand the differences between volume and the direction of the Lord.

:-)

This quote might be suitable here:

The architect [Jonathan Edwards] of Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God knew something his detractors have never learned: it is far worse to be sinners in the hands of angry humans, as King David of old knew when he cried, "I am in great distress; let me fall into the hand of the Lord, for his mercy is very great; but let me not fall into the hand of man." (1 Chronicles 21:13)

God's anger subserves his mercy, while humankind's anger subserves its cruelty.

Found here: [url=http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Heritage/newpage129.htm]Jonathan Edwards by Victor Shepherd[/url]

Diane

ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:
Hi Greg (SermonIndex)...

I believe he is asking about the principle of raising your voice and yelling that people are going to hell. I believe you cannot do this without tears or a deep sorrow in your heart. If you can say those words asthetically then you are ministring death to your hearers.

I agree. I have often wondered why some individuals feel the need to "scream" when they do so without tears. In fact, I know a young man in Texas that goes from campus to campus (and beach to beach) where he shouts "hellfire" and doctrinal beliefs -- often mingled with witty humor. Often, he shouts AT the people that stop to listen. Once, a guy told him, "[i]We're [u]not[/u] deaf, so you don't need to scream[/i]." I know that he is sincere, but it seems that he is confusing [u]volume[/u] for [u]unction[/u].

i concure, this is the key. I know that I have been guilty of getting up to OA preach with nothing but "words and a concern", but then the hecklers produce such a holy fear in me, as they resist my "words", and something of the concern of God comes over me, and they stop to listen, in spite of my volume raising. It's almost like I move from warning them about hell, to pleading with them to flee from it. This however cannot be conjured, so I can understand people speaking out of the "offence of the cross" more than it's "foolishness".

roadsign wrote:
God's anger subserves his mercy, while humankind's anger subserves its cruelty.

Oh for a mind that can speak words so precise.

Oh for a mind that can speak words so precise.

It is Edwards's sermon, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, that so many have fastened on as the excuse for disregarding him as the conscienceless exploiter of people's emotional vulnerabilities. Or rather it has to be the title of the sermon, since virtually none of those who disdain him as mean-spirited and heartless have even bothered to read the sermon!

Neither do they know that so far from manipulating the heart-strings of his hearers with rhetorical trickery, he read the sermon word-for-word, hunched over the lectern, rarely lifting his head to look at the congregation -- and all of this in a drone-dull monotone guaranteed to anaesthetize the most watchful.

The result? New Englanders convulsed as the Spirit convicted them of their sinnership and their precariousness before the Holy God whose judgement cannot be deflected.