Are there specific concordances you use? I enjoy using crudens but for the last while I have been reading the NIV version which doesn't align perfectly with that concordance that was geared towards KJV users. Is there a comparable NIV concordance? When online I usually just search on www.biblegateway.com :-P
The 'old folks' used to say Youngs for the young, Strongs for the strong and Crudens for the crude! I used Youngs for a good while until I discovered what I could do with Strongs!Strongs has every Hebrew and Greek word number coded. It is much easier to do this with a translation that leans towards a literal equivalence (eg KJV, NASV) than with one which leans towards dynamic equivalence (eg GNB, NIV).When you have identified the 'number' you can then use other tools (paper and electronic)to find every use of the original Hebrew or Greek word. This is very helpful in getting a feel for the way the Bible used that concept. In the days before PCs I used to spend hours doing this by hand! You can know do the same kind of research in seconds (and forget it just as quickly ;-) )I have found the studylight helps very useful when online. I don't know how they compare with biblegateway.
Strongs has every Hebrew and Greek word number coded. It is much easier to do this with a translation that leans towards a literal equivalence (eg KJV, NASV) than with one which leans towards dynamic equivalence (eg GNB, NIV).When you have identified the 'number' you can then use other tools (paper and electronic)to find every use of the original Hebrew or Greek word. This is very helpful in getting a feel for the way the Bible used that concept. In the days before PCs I used to spend hours doing this by hand! You can know do the same kind of research in seconds (and forget it just as quickly)Yea I have used Strongs quite abit.. I would just love to have the NIV text with strong numbers ontop.. I am also just abit worried about the quality of NIV concordances available right now. I personally enjoy using books to study the bible mostly. I am on the computer so much its nice to do somethings the slow, old-fashioned way :-P
Could you give a brief summary of the distinctions between Crudens, Youngs, and Strongs Concordances?Thanks :)
The 'old folks' used to say Youngs for the young, Strongs for the strong and Crudens for the crude! I used Youngs for a good while until I discovered what I could do with Strongs!Both Strongs and Youngs are exhaustive concordances, meaning they have every English word. Crudens has most you will ever want.a) Youngs Exhaustive Concordance1) the most popular full concordanceb) Strongs1) my own personal choice2) 3 books in 1a> full concordanceb> Hebrew lexicon (dictionary)c> Greek lexicon (dictionary)3) Baker Bible House have made it even more usefula> they have used Strongs numbers to link with very powerful bible study toolsb> see "Lexicons" belowc) Wigram's Englishman's Hebrew Chaldee Concordance of the Old Testament1) published by Baker Book house2) number coded to Strongs Concordancea> you can now use a full Hebrew concordance without knowing a word of Hebrew!d) Wigram's Englishman's Greek Concordance of the New Testament1) published by Baker Book house2) number coded to Strongs Concordancea> you can now use a full Greek concordance without knowing a word of Greek!2. Lexicons\t(very technical dictionaries)a) Gesenius' Hebrew Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testamentb) Thayer's Greek Lexicon to the New Testament1) be careful! Thayer was a unitarian who thought the Spirit was only a forcec) these are powerful tools, but some knowledge of Greek & Hebrew is neededd)Baker Book House have made them more accessible by number coding them to Strongs Concordance. Larry Pierce’s On Line Computer Bible & the Seedmaster Programme both use the Strong’s links.e) see notes on The Greek-English Interlinear above to explain how they can be usedIt is Strong's number system that is used with all Computer Bible programmes for the KJV.
Thank you my friend! :)
Strongs and Youngs do the same job. It may be that Youngs has some advantages. But if so, and I don't think so, its a little like VHS and Betamax. VHS has the market, and in many ways so does Strongs. The number linked books by Baker and then the consistent use of Strongs numbers used in electronic concordances has really swept the market.
For those who want a concordance for the NIV, there is an Exhaustive Concordance (Goodrick and Kohlenberger) published by Zondervan which is quite good and easy to use.If you need help finding a particular word form, analytical lexicons can be valuable.As for lexicons themselves, I like Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich-Danker (B-A-G-D) for Greek...and Brown-Driver-Briggs (B-D-B) for Hebrew (but if anyone wants to buy me the newly translated Koehler-Baumgartner, I will by no means complain).For word studies I find great benefit in Kittel's (Theological Dictionary of the New Testament) and the corresponding Botterweck and Ringgren's (Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament).--Eric
For word studies I find great benefit in Kittel's (Theological Dictionary of the New Testament) and the corresponding Botterweck and Ringgren's (Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament).Yes I have much good report in regards to the theological word study by kittles. There is quite abit of greek word usuage but with patience any lay person could definetly benefit from this resource. I am looking forward to getting into more of studying the word of God verse by verse, chapter by chapter. I still find crudens concordance one of the best! and easy to use."Next to the Bible, I would advise you to get Cruden's Concordance!" -D.L. MoodyIts funny though in our age.. we can reap the benefits of technology and allow ourselves to be spoon fed the hard work of scholars and other bible theologians. I think there is something worth while for us getting our feet wet with a concordance and bible doing hours of word study's, we can never spend too much time in the word of God.. the old saints like torrey, moody, etc lived in it.
Brown-Driver-Briggs (B-D-B) for Hebrew (but if anyone wants to buy me the newly translated Koehler-Baumgartner, I will by no means complain).Is K-B synonomous with L. Holladay? We used Holladay in that intermediate Hebrew course; are there multiple versions?
"Next to the Bible, I would advise you to get Cruden's Concordance!" -D.L. MoodyThe only advantage I can think of must have been portability! Another great portable was The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. Not a concorodance but a massive 'central column reference'. Widely available electronically with all Bible Software, but if the best commentary is the Bible this must be one the best commentaries ever. In the days before laptops this, and a compact Strongs Concordance, were my regular travelling companions. It is amazing how often a difficult verse would open like a flower having checked the cross-references.
Although it is a Lexicon rather than a concordance the Scott Liddell Lexicon at Peseus is a valuable tool. You need a little Greek but not too much. I use it by finding the word in the Greek Text (the text is Westcott & Hort… shame!). Double clicking the word will give you the option of the intermediate Scott and Liddell or the full one.If you really want to be thorough you can find translations of many of the classical Greek texts on the Perseus site too. So you can see the word ‘in situ’.
Keith--The Holladay is based on K-B's work but much shortened (400 pages vs. 2200 pages).--Eric
I'm looking for a good Strong's Concordance. There are several out there, but I was wondering if anybody had a preference and why?
There's:[i]Strongest Strong's
[i]The New Strong's Expanded
[i]New Strong's Classic
And of course the original, as well as numerous others from other publishers.
I am also looking for a decent KJV Dictionary to help with some of the more archaic words.
Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
grace and peace
I found this concordance online for the NIV Bible:
http://www.ibs.org/niv/wordsearch.php
I'm not sure if it is exhaustive, but it's decent.
Well, last year my wife got me The New Strong's Expanded Exhausted Concordance, Red-Letter Edition (what a mouthful!) This is the one with the Kohlenberger contributions. It also includes the best of Vine's Topical. I've really benefited from this huge concordance. Before this, I was using a small paperback Crudens. And, actually, I never had a problem with Crudens! My wife just decided to buy me the Strong's on my birthday. This thing is simply massive, gargantuan...I get lost in it, really. I do like that the words of Christ are in red and that all the Messianic prophecies are listed. It's really a great book. It even has a list of all the prayers in the Bible, a breakdown of the Jewish feasts, the Jewish calendar, all the Mosaic Law broken down into categories, and a very thorough harmony of the four gospels, with all the illustrations and teachings of Christ.
(edit) The only drawback I see is with the binding. The glue is poor and inadequate for its proportion. I have to gingerly handle the book. The spine has begun to disattach itself from the cover. Otherwise, great tool!
Hope this helps!
Bro. Paul
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