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What about Simeon and Anna?

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roadsign Dec 8, 2006

Our Christmas traditions, such as the carols and nativity displays have enabled most people to know the main characters surrounding Christ's birth: Joseph, Mary, angels, shepherds, and Magi.

But what about Simeon and Anna? Should they not have been included? After all, they saw the Christ-child before the Magi did. And they didn’t even need to leave home or fields to find him. He was taken to them right where they were - in the Temple. They recognized him immediately, without the aid of angels or stars. Simeon and Anna were the first within the Jewish religious community to see the Christ-child.

These two elderly servants understood, by divine revelation, the implications of this child’s advent, even more than his parents did. Simeon foreshadowed “the rising and falling of many.” He also warned Mary: “A sword will pierce your own soul too.”Lk. 2:35

Anna “never left the temple, but worshipped night and day, fasting and praying. She spoke about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem”

Did you notice that! Anna got to proclaim the Good News firsthand! What an exciting role! She deserved it; after all, she was watching and praying, and prepared for his arrival.

I am convinced that Simeon’s and Anna’s intercessions over their many years of faithful fasting and communing with God prepared the way for the child Jesus, and helped protect his life from the hordes of demonic forces pitted against him. I am also convinced that Simeon and Anna wept many tears over the suffering he was to endure.


So, how did these two spiritual giants of Israel, these mighty elders of the faith, become secondary characters in our traditional Christmas story?

There is a reason why Simeon and Anna have not received the recognition they deserve: Their lives closely paralleled the life of Christ. He was not recognized in the religious establishment of the day. His prophetic indictments were no more attractive than Simeon’s: “…a sign that will be spoken against, so the hearts of many will be revealed.” Lk. 2:35

Jesus said, “He who receives you receives me.” Matt. 10:40 Just as with Simeon and Anna, Christ has been relentlessly forgotten and rejected by those who have freely taken his name. Naturally his followers bear the same reproach.


There is no need to make miniature replicas of Simeon and Anna, or draw pictures of them on Christmas cards. I’d say, we honor them best by following their example: by looking only to Christ for our hope and salvation, and by waiting expectantly on him.

Isn’t that what they were eagerly anticipating?

Diane

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kdbutton Dec 8, 2006

Great insights Diane!

May we all be taught by their example of persevering prayer with expectancy.

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rookie Dec 8, 2006

Sis wrote;

There is a reason why Simeon and Anna have not received the recognition they deserve: Their lives closely paralleled the life of Christ.

I believe that the teachings of dispensational theology blind many to what you have come to understand. You will hear many a teacher say that God ceased to speak to His people once the book of Malachi was written. Yet as you have pointed out, Simeon and Anna's life paralleled the life of Christ. Faith can lead no other place...

God Bless
In Christ
Jeff

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Compton Dec 8, 2006

Diane!

I am convinced that Simeon’s and Anna’s intercessions over their many years of faithful fasting and communing with God prepared the way for the child Jesus, and helped protect his life from the hordes of demonic forces pitted against him. I am also convinced that Simeon and Anna wept many tears over the suffering he was to endure.

Really these past couple of days are remarkable to me. It seems we are walking on the road to Emmaus discussing the scriptures...and the Lord is with us!

I would like to make a point about Simeon and Anna's regard towards prayer...at least what I'm seeing now.

Simeon and Anna, in the midst of a pretty hopeless time for their people, were undoubtedly aware of many prophecies of the Messiah. Indeed, many of these promises were also made when God's people faced seemingly hopeless situations...

For example, consider the plight of the Jews living in Judah under the wicked idolatrous King Ahaz..over 700 years before Simeon and Anna. Could there still be a remnant of people faithful to God even as Ahaz was immolating his son through the fire to Molech? There is always a remnant...but overall the King and nation had earned the judgement of God.

In those days, Syria and Israel joined forces to wage war against Judah. With guilty consciences instead of faith, Judah began to shake as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind. (Shaking like leaves I think is how we say it today! If only Americans had at least this much sense...)

Then Isaiah came to Ahaz with wonderful news from the Lord; Judah was going to be saved! Actually Isaiah didn't address Ahaz as Ahaz...but as the House of David, as if to indicate that this good news is not a measurement of Ahaz' worthiness,(sic) but a reflection of God's faithfulness to David.

Even so, Ahaz was still tempted to make a treaty with Assyria. (See the current thread on "What is Unequally Yoked?")So God promised that if Ahaz did trust in Assyria he would be destroyed...but the Lord also offered the wicked king a curious word of comfort.

Isaiah invites Ahaz to ask God for a sign to prove that He, the Lord, will deliver Judah from her enemies. Now apparently Ahaz suddenly gets religion and piously says...I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.

Surely God would be impressed with such newfound humility and reverence. Ahaz knew that God was displeased with him...and here was Ahaz making up for it by lowering his head and playing the lowly and self-effacing king...

Ahaz still didn't get it...he should've known when God adressed him not as Ahaz, but as 'the house of David', that this deliverance wasn't based on Ahaz's meritorious behavior...but on God's promise to David! And so Ahaz' hypocritical piety was really nothing more then his typical disregard for the established Word of God.

And now I finally get to the point I am wanting to make about the way Simeon and Anna viewed prayer. Unlike the wicked hypocritical King Ahaz, these two saints weren't bashful about wanting to see a sign of God's deliverance. They didn't even seem to wait for an invitation from a prophet telling them to go. Believing the Word of God, they came every day, arranging their entire life around expectation.

Unlike the modern humanistic church, ubelief is not something God seems to feel sorry for. We reveal our own doubt in God's power and resentment for his holiness, as we soothe sinners and rebels with our highminded pity...coddling their unbelief in God's salvation as a type of innocent weakness...but God sees all of it as arrogance and pride that doubts His character and power.

Unbelief wearies God! Consider this when we come to pray. Accordingly Isaiah rebuked Ahaz...Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Clearly Simeon and Anna were not doubters! They believed God and would not look anywhere else for their consolation and deliverance.

If only Ahaz would have been like Simeon and Anna, and honored God by expecting His sign of deliverance. When it comes to overcoming this world through the promises of God in Christ...do we remain in expectant prayer...or are we too 'humble' and 'pitiful' to expect any real move of God?

Incidentally what was the sign that God gave to King Ahaz, garanteeing the survival of Judah? Well, it's familiarity today might make us miss just how strange it must have seemed centuries ago to a nation facing their own extinction.

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


Blessings saints!

MC


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roadsign Dec 8, 2006

Even though I have done some tweaking, I still don’t like the ending. After all, it’s is about us, not somebody else. I would like to use this as a message for seniors on Sunday, but feel I still need the right closing. I know there is a word that applies for all ages. Does anyone see it?

Something in here, I believe (thank you MC):


...a remnant of people faithful to God...

Clearly Simeon and Anna were not doubters! They believed God and would not look anywhere else for their consolation and deliverance.

...arranging their entire life around expectation...

Diane

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rookie Dec 8, 2006

Brother Mike wrote:

Incidentally what was the sign that God gave to King Ahaz, garanteeing the survival of Judah? Well, it's familiarity today might make us miss just how strange it must have seemed centuries ago to a nation facing their own extinction.

Is. 7:13 Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. 17 The LORD will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.”

Isaiah 8:

8 \tHe will pass through Judah,
\tHe will overflow and pass over,
\tHe will reach up to the neck;
\tAnd the stretching out of his wings
\tWill fill the breadth of Your land, O Immanuel.
9 \t“Be shattered, O you peoples, and be broken in pieces!
\tGive ear, all you from far countries.
\tGird yourselves, but be broken in pieces;
\tGird yourselves, but be broken in pieces.
10 \tTake counsel together, but it will come to nothing;
\tSpeak the word, but it will not stand,
\tFor God is with us.”

Have you ever gone a little further in this section of Scripture, that is, who is this Child that eats Curds and honey? This was a sign for Ahaz in his day also for it was Immanuel's land for those who were the remnant...

Christ is all in all outside of the constraints of human thought and doctrine...

In Christ
jeff

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roadsign Dec 8, 2006

Rookie said:

teachings of dispensational theology blind many to what you have come to understand. You will hear many a teacher say that God ceased to speak to His people once the book of Malachi was written

I never thoguht about this. Actually, I thought that the dispensationalists put John the Baptist in the old dispensation, and so would have no trouble slipping Simeon and Anna in there also. After all these two were much older.
Diane

sermonindex Dec 8, 2006

Good piece, MC. Thanks. It answered something for me.

When considering JTB, I have been using the word "empty",--- of the world, totally separated unto God for God to reveal His word; Himself and the soon to appearing, "Lamb of God". I mean, how could John speak the way he did concerning Him who was "coming after him yet was prefered before him"? They weren't his words he spoke. They were from God by revelation. Using this from you explains it in a more practical spiritual way:

They [Simmeon and Anna] didn't even seem to wait for an invitation from a prophet telling them to go. Believing the Word of God, they came every day, [b][i]arranging their entire life[/i] around "expectation"[/b].

I see the three of them experiencing a type of [pre]Pentecostal experience with manifestations following. And we can see what was required for the experience; separation/emptiness - purity and "expectation". We see the same thing [obedience/worship/adoration] just prior to Acts 2.4. God will not give to His own a stone when they ask for bread.

Is this not the day for us to examine ourselves that we be found in the Lord? With all that is a distraction in our lives, can we say we are separated unto Him and wait, "expectantly"?

Orm

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Compton Dec 8, 2006

Diane, there is something here for us...last night I left my prayers and readings of Isaiah 7 and was able to minister to my wife with renewed power. You know we fathers are like rulers in our households...how many Christian husbands and fathers are loveless and faithless towards God like Ahaz...adopting pagan idols and customs while still maintaining some hypocritical traditions of the law?

I am looking forward to hearing what the Lord would share with you from the scripture you hilighted Diane...

They believed God and would not look anywhere else for their consolation and deliverance.

...arranging their entire life around expectation...

Ormly mentioned a "[pre]Pentecostal" experience...or at least state. Well I've never heard it put that way before but I hope the Lord is bringing me there. (and others as well!) My hope isn't some working up...in fact it's exaustion. I am growing truly tired of a lifetime of human devices and solutions...

Perhaps the greatest dispute I have ever had to settle with God is the arrogant unbelief I hide...betrayed by my lack of regard for the importance of real prayer. It may be a fair statement, that for me, prayer is the great dispute I secretly harbor.

There are too many channels in the church competing for allegiance...pulpits are spewing confusion...politics, social causes and compassionate enterprises, entertaining and strange fire, deadness and self-absorbed pursuits. If we give our zeal over to these things they exaust us and might even leave us doubting God...because they are all only a cheap imitation of Godliness but not the power.

Rookie, this is awesome...

He will pass through Judah,
He will overflow and pass over,
He will reach up to the neck;
And the stretching out of his wings
Will fill the breadth of Your land, O Immanuel.

I believe and understand it's national implications, but how I feel these words in my own being right now. Oh that I could stretch out my arms in surrender, and that Immanuel would pass through me, overflow me and over me...that I could abide in Him even as He dwells in me, to stretch out his wings and fill the breadth of my being.

How long it takes to lay our devices down.

Take counsel together, but it will come to nothing

Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good.

There is richer, and fattier food out there in the world for sure, but that we may follow Jesus and refuse the evil, to choose the good, we do not eat what the world eats. We do this because we live expectantly that the Lord is with us. Otherwise we would be like Ahaz who was unable to hear the Lord even when God was speaking plainly to him.

Is this not the day for us to examine ourselves that we be found in the Lord? With all that is a distraction in our lives, can we say we are separated unto Him and wait, "expectantly"?

MC

sermonindex Dec 8, 2006


This is a splendid thread, all of you posters.

Here is a lazy question from me, based on my eye being caught by the phrase 'both her kings'.

the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.
Who were they, which 'land' had [i][b]two[/i][/b] kings, and why?

My thanks in advance.

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roadsign Dec 8, 2006

I am looking forward to hearing what the Lord would share with you…

Here it goes... the long way round - and still no closing statement. It seems like everything these days is pulling towards a vortex: the subject of prayer. There is something about prayer that God is trying to get through this sleepy mind. And I am determined to break through.

Some rough thoughts so far:

Prayer is not a theological or religious phenomenon. It is simply: direct access to God. Prayer is the ultimate expression of our second-birth relationship with God. It is the fulfillment of the New Covenant promise. Prayer is a gift that comes with the New Life:

"This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more." Jer. 33,34

This is so totally awesome, amazing!!! To KNOW God; to be able to hear him for ourselves - to learn from him directly, to receive guidance for life, our sense of identity (as a child of God), calling, comfort, assurance, hope, joy, prophesies,….. and, oh, yes, FORGIVENESS. Through prayer we deepen our oneness with Christ. The blessings and answers (as I have learned anyway) come only through interacting with God, seeking and apprehending. It means talking to God honestly, as well as waiting on God. “Ask and ye shall receive…” …“Ye have not because ye ask not..”

Without prayer we cannot become truly conscious of God, his answers, and his blessings, and his work - I mean, really conscious! Apart from personal revelation, it’s all second hand. And that is not enough to sustain us, or help us endure to the end.

Without prayer, Christ remains aloof to us – like in an unwrapped gift. We may have an idea what’s in it, but really we don’t know.

Without prayer we cannot cooperate with God - in the fulfilment of his Covenant. We cannot know where and how he is moving.

Prayer is the process of growing up – abandoning our childish dependencies on man, leaving “home”, and cleaving to the Lord.


Anna had cultivated a life of prayer, and so she was able to recognize the movings of God. “His sheep know my voice” (Still, we must acknowledge that Anna had a prophetic calling on her life.) We can be sure that all those who missed the advent did not live a life of prayer.

It is intensely tragic that we are so often robbed of this endowment. Fellow Christians and leaders are quick to play God and dispense their opinions in response to questions or concerns that aught to be directed to the Lord in prayer. (I am guilty +++)

Opinions are as abundant as fast-food joints – and as tempting. Even offering correct opinions can be a form of robbery, because it robs the seeker of the process of wrestling through with God. That is just as evil as a parent doing his child’s science project for him. It’s cheating! It deprives the student (disciple) of the rugged, uncertain process of growth. It keeps him in his dependency state – which, of course, is much more controllable and efficient.


What else can hinder us from surrendering to God in prayer? - within us… without us?

Edit: The need to SEE clearly was made most evident yesterday in a near-auto-collision in a blinding snowsquall. A driver was travelling too fast, had no lights on, and had a white truck. By the grace of God, I am here.

Alas, that's the way life is - it happens faster than we can see with our natural eyes. We need constant communion with our Lord.

Diane

sermonindex Dec 8, 2006

1 Cor. 14:2,4 (KJV)
For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries..........[4] He that speaks in an unknown tongue [b]edifies himself[/b]; but he that prophesies edifies the church.

If Paul experienced this for his benefit and for the sake of Christ, should we not also experience it for the same reasons?

Orm


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Compton Dec 9, 2006

Diane,

o longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"

Without prayer we cannot cooperate with God - in the fulfilment of his Covenant. We cannot know where and how he is moving.
Prayer is the process of growing up – abandoning our childish dependencies on man, leaving “home”, and cleaving to the Lord.

it happens faster than we can see with our natural eyes.

Sister, this is why I have moved from cynicism towards belief in revival. God is changing our hearts...even as we pray over these things. How is it that the words of a thousand sermons and books on prayer can bounce off our skulls :-o …but when God speaks just the word “prayer” into our hearts we faint to our faces in both shame and gratitude?

A litle story...a few years ago, I was alone one fall midnight, praying in deep despair on a beach in the Outer Banks of North Carolina. That week I was facing one of the most grievous trials I can ever remember, but that evening I was swept away in the goodness of God. The Lord walked with me along the surf, recalling many past times when He had been watching over me, and my heart was greatly warmed …even as storm clouds were forming overhead and a light rain began to fall. (I should have posted this bit in Christopher’s precious “eventide” thread…) For at least an hour I walked in the drizzle. There were no stars or moon and so I could see only a few yards off the beach.… but the roar of the unseen waters, and the sudsy faom washing my feet let me know I was standing on the edge of a vast ocean…

The night really seemed endless…yet in that blessed hour I could really sense that God was still more endless. Rather then feeling alone in the black windy air…I was embraced and strengthened, as if God had wrapped a blanket around me from the surrounding brume.

Well, after about an hour of blessed prayer, I had become satisfied that God had finished showing me what he wanted that night…my heart was filled with comfort over my own crisis and so I started thinking about walking back to the rental house. Having found peace, I was looking forward to putting on new clothes and going to sleep.

At that point I saw that the sky in the far distance over the ocean…perhaps miles away, began to flash. Suddenly for brief seconds it seemed the entire world was illuminated. I could see the cavernous ceiling of billowy clouds breathing over the waters, an endless and sleepless landscape of twisting striving ocean waves. There were no tall mountains or man-made structure to obstruct the view…so I just stood there shrinking more and more…overwhelmed by the expanding horizon that was beginning to flash everywhere as far as the eye could see. Long fingers of lightening touched down into the waters…there was no predictability to it except that it was persistent. Soon the roar of the waters became drowned out by the approaching thunder.

Now just a few moments earlier in the quiet darkness I was feeling wrapped in a blanket of God’s love…yet now, before this vista, I felt small and insignificant before the rolling thunder and seething waters. I wanted to confess my all my sin and weakness, seeing that judgement can overtake you at any moment! Being dwarfed by such power also brought a peace.…what peace there is when we repent from wanting to be the center of the universe!

Yes, only a few moments earlier I was receiving comfort for my own problems…but in that momment, God was letting me feel what's it like to want salvation for the world. The Spirit of God is moving upon the face of the waters. He will save many people who are now tumbling in their sin …and gather them in one place around His throne like an ocean pouring in from all the corners of the Earth…their collective praise will sound like the roaring waves throughout a great hall, rising to ceilings as boundless as clouds where the holiness of God will charge even the atmosphere!

Only when the rain became a solid downpour did I realize I was shivering from the cold. I left the beach as the storm became too strong…but I left overjoyed at the goodness of God.

Tonight I am back at that night….our conversations have taken me back to that beach...and I realize God was showing me the difference between my lesser purpose for prayer and His greater purpose for prayer.

When the lightening and thunder appeared, I became aware of so much more then myself…I was astonished at the terror and wonderfulness of God. I felt He was inviting little me to witness…and even participate in what He alone was going to do in the Earth. If this offends our sense of piety and causes us to hesitate…then we have come to the shoreline where man’s limited energy ends and God’s limitless power begins.

We can be sure that all those who missed the advent did not live a life of prayer.

Indeed! Likewise in our lifetime, expecting a great event of God is not evidence of childish optimism, but childlike sorrow…it is repenting of our bankrupt enterprising, to have nothing but prayers of faith...which is everything. George MacDonald once said, if we rely on preaching we will see what preachers can do, and if we rely on prophecy we will see what prophets can do, but if we rely on prayer we will see what God can do.

I read this today from Andrew Murray…

Most Christians are content if they have some blessed experience of what prayer can do in bringing down blessing for their own needs or maybe for the needs of others. Yet how seldom it is realized that prayer covers the whole divine mystery of man being in partnership with the triune God in working out the counsel of His will and grace.

Well, I might be able to understand the concept in those sentences…but if I said I understood their reality…well, I don’t. I am like Ahaz, making God weary with pious confessions of humility and weakness. In truth I just wanted to go back to sleep.

Yet praise God from whom all blessings do indeed flow; Jesus is the master teacher of prayer… and indeed if the very teacher of prayer still intercedes in Heaven then surely we must too! Can you imagine if we continued to ecourage each other’s faith in Almighty God…if I repented to God over my own lack of believing prayer? Such praying Christians would be quickened by visions of what God will do here and among the nations!

We are standing on the shore of a vast ocean….

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chadster Dec 9, 2006

What eloquence!! I'm relucant to share...I can't hold a candle to you guys in my ability to articulate truth! While admittedly I quickly peruse most threads and don't read them carefully (especially the longer ones :-), this one has been such a treasure and I'm so glad I haven't glossed over it. You dear saints of God who contributed to this thread have mined such riches! I was listening to a message by Bob Sorge recently and he spoke of the faithful and tireless intercession of Ana (year after year after year...for decades!) and God's Reward to her. What a poweful Word!! Oh that God would find us faithful and persevering in that place of prayer. He IS a REWARDER of those who diligently seek Him.

Praying Christmas Presence in fuller glory upon all my dear fellow SI brothers and sisters.

Chad

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roadsign Dec 9, 2006

Many thoughts here to help wake me out of my slumber.

When the lightening and thunder appeared, I became aware of so much more then myself…I was astonished at the terror and wonderfulness of God.

I suspect that creation is one of God’s favorite means of manifesting his glory to us, and correcting our self-perspective: …God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen.” Rom. 1:19 “The heavens declare the glory of God..”

if we rely on preaching we will see what preachers can do, and if we rely on prophecy we will see what prophets can do, but if we rely on prayer we will see what God can do.

Here is a reminder that prayer is the magnificent privilege of entering into the Royal Courts and having our own personal appointment with the King – no intermediaries, no crowds blocking the view, no police guards with shields – just me and him – face to face, directly – vulnerable and yet trusting. This is so humbling that we fall to the ground. But here we discover what GOD can do.

prayer covers the whole divine mystery of man being in partnership with the triune God in working out the counsel of His will and grace.

Of course, seeing the bigger picture is the outcome of perseverance in prayer and expectancy.

I realize God was showing me the difference between my lesser purpose for prayer and His greater purpose for prayer.

A great testimony, MC. Praise God for the gift of memory!

(there are some key points yet to be drawn out, but will have to wait till next week)

Do you think Simeon and Anna foresaw Pentecost - some thirty + years later?


PS:
Possible closing thought for article:

"We do not need to make miniature replicas of Simeon and Anna, or draw pictures of them on Christmas cards. I’d say, we honor them best by following their example: by looking only to Christ for our hope and salvation, and by waiting expectantly on him.

Isn’t that what they were eagerly anticipating?

Diane

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rookie Dec 9, 2006

Sis wrote:

Prayer is the process of growing up – abandoning our childish dependencies on man, leaving “home”, and cleaving to the Lord.

This last Tuesday night, was my first time attending a church prayer meeting in 3 years. Before I left the fellowship where I had grown so much, I attended a men's retreat. The section of Scripture that the Lord brought to my mind that weekend covered the episode of Jesus walking on water and Peter getting out of the boat to meet him. At that time, I knew that when Peter began to sink in the midst of the tossing waves, that particular picture was meant for me to unravel. At that meeting I thought I understood what the Lord was showing me. Well three years later I am still seeing the workings of that picture in my life. We are often given visions of where we are about to go, but we have no idea of the depth of what we learn along the way.

At the prayer meeting, I began to ask for forgiveness for taking my eyes off of Him. I asked that this would be the end of the wilderness. It was a good moment. I then began to pray for the new fellowship and it's leaders. I then began to pray for some of the personal issuses withing the congregation. I started to cry when praying for a marriage where there seems to be no hope. It was there, that the burden of sin, caused me great sorrow. It is sin that seperates us. It is sin that causes us to hurt one another.

This burden of sorrow brings with it an understanding of how our Lord feels about his sheep. This burden I ran away from back 3 years ago. This burden is before me once again, if I choose to follow my Lord. It is not about organizations and the methods used by men to appeal to the world to enter His church. It is about opening ourselves up to what the Lord brings to us in prayer, and hearing the vision that He has place before you.

Cleaving to the Lord is the beginning of knowing the Lord and understanding His heart for our brothers and sisters now; and for our future brothers and sisters who have not yet believed...

Pray for me that I would no longer run and fret over the boiling seas around me, but that I would cast my eyes upon Jesus..

God Bless

In Christ
Jeff

sermonindex Dec 9, 2006


chadster wrote:
What eloquence!! I'm relucant to share...I can't hold a candle to you guys in my ability to articulate truth! While admittedly I quickly peruse most threads and don't read them carefully (especially the longer ones :-), this one has been such a treasure and I'm so glad I haven't glossed over it. You dear saints of God who contributed to this thread have mined such riches! I was listening to a message by Bob Sorge recently and he spoke of the faithful and tireless intercession of Ana (year after year after year...for decades!) and God's Reward to her. What a poweful Word!! Oh that God would find us faithful and persevering in that place of prayer. He IS a REWARDER of those who diligently seek Him.

Praying Christmas Presence in fuller glory upon all my dear fellow SI brothers and sisters.

Chad

Is Bob speaking [with his own voice] these days?

Orm

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Compton Dec 11, 2006

I have been looking forward to hearing more of Diane's plowing along this stream, :-) but in the meantime wanted to add to this...

It was there, that the burden of sin, caused me great sorrow. It is sin that seperates us. It is sin that causes us to hurt one another.

This burden of sorrow brings with it an understanding of how our Lord feels about his sheep. This burden I ran away from back 3 years ago. This burden is before me once again, if I choose to follow my Lord.

Jeff, I was affected and blessed by this all of this over the weekend...couldn't help but muse over how such a sorrowful burden would make a fine Christmas gift from the Lord for our benefit. I say this because clearly this burden is a dear fellowship with Jesus, himself a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief.

Not much else to say...your transparency has blessed me greatly.

Pray for me that I would no longer run and fret over the boiling seas around me, but that I would cast my eyes upon Jesus.

I have truly learned some eternal things from you over the past two years. Perhaps one day, over a cup of coffee I will share the details with you. On a practical note if I may offer something small in return...it has helped me greatly in recent months to turn off the news media in my home, car, and especially in my head. Enough stuff gets through anyways...and I have more of my heart to meditate on the Lord's precepts. The oceans of the world churn and froth with war and greed, so unless the living waters flowing through our souls are allowed to be still, how will we see the face of Jesus reflected therein?

...He leads me beside still waters; he restores my soul...

...As a deer longs for flowing streams, so my soul longs for you, O God.

...The Lord is just and loves just deeds; the upright shall see his face.

Thanks so much brother...your post is a treasure.

MC

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roadsign Dec 13, 2006

“How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news.”

”Anna … spoke about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem”Lk. 2:38

Not only was Anna the first lady preacher, but also the first to announce the good news within the Jewish religious establishment - a patriarchal institution where only males were taught the Torah and the Prophets. And these males had indeed been studying it – for centuries. They had searched intently for clues about the coming Messiah. But they couldn’t see for looking; so God helped them out: One day an elderly woman burst from the shadows of the Temple and disclosed the news. Of course, it was necessary that Israel be the first to hear about the birth. After all, He came first to his own.

You'd think the Temple would have been a-rocking!

Anna would never have been allowed in the inner sanctuary or the Holy of Holies behind the curtain. Yet really, in spirit, that is where she dwelt. Anna “never left the temple, but worshipped night and day, fasting and praying.

Anna did not need pulpit, credentials, or position. Nor did she need permission from the authorities. She had all she needed: a little obscure corner, with the Word and the Spirit. She had been thoroughly trained by God in the place of prayer, and that was enough. At 90 yo, she was a seasoned prophetess. In the fullness of time God opened the door for her ministry. And no man could shut it!

“I will pour out my Spirit on your sons and daughters” Joel 2:30

God had poured out his Spirit on Anna, even though Pentecost was not for 33 years.

Something in all this is very healing for me - having understood for the better of my life, directly or indirectly, that God speaks first through the church leaders – the pastor, the men – the heads, and we receive divine truth from them. And anyone else’s words couldn’t possibly hold as much weight. I have been sensing new paths ahead – and so, suspect that this is a divinely ordained stopping-place for me.

Much could have been written about the lady saint. Oh, what revelation she must have received over the course of 85 years communing with God! I admit, I am most curious to know more about her. I understand so little. Yet, God chose to give only the details we need to know.

…of the tribe of Asher” 2:35

This is interesting. Anna was not from the House of Judah, not a Jew, but of the House of Israel. She was a true Israelite by heredity. Had not the northern tribes all been dispersed among the Gentiles (nations) and Samaria...? Last recorded, the two Houses had been archenemies of each other. Is Anna’s calling perhaps a prophetic foreshadowing of God’s covenant promise to Abraham and the other OT prophets? I am not sure if I understand correctly? Can someone help me out … Jeff? Mike?

“For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy” Rev. 19:10

Anna’s proclamation was about a person - not a theology. It was about an incarnation, not a system of laws. It was about the One whom she saw for herself – in the flesh, but long before that, in the spirit. Anna was filled with the Spirit of Christ; and her simple message was none other than this One Person. That was the Good News for Israel! So simple!

“We do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ our Lord” 2 cor. 4:5


It seems that in our day there is no lack of fledgling prophets, just chompin ’ at the bit to disclose their special revelation in a public forum. And they get frustrated when the door closes on them. But it may be that God is the one who is resisting them. He is still forming Christ in them… in the fullness of time they will burst forth with a purified message of the Good News: Christ. I say, prophesy that fails to put Christ in the center is incomplete – at best.


“For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy” Rev. 19:10

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InTheLight Dec 13, 2006

Just got to reading through this thread and I really appreciate the thoughts expressed here. In particular this caught my eye...

Unlike the modern humanistic church, unbelief is not something God seems to feel sorry for. We reveal our own doubt in God's power and resentment for his holiness, as we soothe sinners and rebels with our highminded pity...coddling their unbelief in God's salvation as a type of innocent weakness...but God sees all of it as arrogance and pride that doubts His character and power.

This unbelief, smoothed over as something else, is something the Lord brought home to me recently.

I believe that what happens in the Church is very similar to what happened with Israel in the wilderness when the bad report came back from the spies. They saw themselves as grasshoppers when compared to the enemies in the land, and that step of seeing themselves as they truly were was important. But they didn't take the next step of faith that was necessary. It is an important stage of our growth to learn that "without Him I can do nothing", but then we must move to the next stage. Sometimes in Christian circles a false humility of diffidence, timidity, and shyness can pass as a virtue but God has a different name for it.

The Bible says that Israel's inaction, as a result of fear, was rebellion against God (Numbers 14:6-9). Thank you for the clear, battle-cry voices in this thread to urge us on so that we might not brood instead of acting and allow depression to block out the face of God, then we are left with ourselves...wounded grasshoppers.

In Christ,

Ron

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