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How To Be A Popular Preacher Today

sermonindex Dec 8, 2006

Joel Osteen, pastor of America's largest church, is a living example of how to be a popular preacher in this apostate age. The key is to preach a positive message that doesn't deal plainly with sin, repentance, and judgment.

About 38,000 people attend his Sunday services in Houston, and his sermons are broadcast in more than 200 markets in the United States as well as on major networks in Canada, Europe, Australia, Asia, and the Middle East. He fills massive arenas throughout America, and his 2004 book Your Best Life Now has sold 4 million copies.

Recently he was in Tampa, Florida, and the St. Petersburg Times ran a front-page report on the meetings entitled "God's Cheerleader." There is no way that a major secular newspaper in America today would run such an affirmative report on a preacher who is faithful to the Word of God.

Notice how Osteen's message is described: [i]"Osteen's easy-going, all-inclusive gospel has made him a spiritual rock star. He's unrelentingly positive, more Norman Vincent Peale than Pat Robertson. His deliberately nonjudgmental sermons ... have made him into a bestselling author who is even popular among agnostics and atheists. Osteen's positive messages--recent sermon topics include 'Having Confidence in Yourself' and 'Stop Listening to the Accusing Voices'--have helped make him a religious everyman. He touts a loving God. There is no condemnation. No talk of judgment or damnation"[/i] ("God's Cheerleader," St. Petersburg Times, Nov. 26, 2006, p. 10A).

Osteen is no doubt sincere in what he is doing, but he is sincerely and terribly wrong. The Lord Jesus Christ was a fire and brimstone preacher, and every God-ordained preacher is commanded to preach the Word with reproof, rebuke, and exhortation" (2 Timothy 4:2).

The Scriptures warn that many will turn away their ears from the truth in the last days and after their own lusts will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears (2 Timothy 4:3-4). Sadly, that is exactly what America's favorite pastor is doing. He is scratching the itching ears of those who have rejected the plain teaching of the Bible and desire, instead, a new type of Christianity, one with a smiley face, one that allows them to live pretty much as they please, to follow their own lusts, and still feel that they are right with God. Significantly, Osteen's nickname is the "smiling preacher."

Krispy

sermonindex Dec 8, 2006

Ooops! I meant this to go in the lounge!

Krispy

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enid Dec 8, 2006

I don't doubt maybe people who attend Joel Osteen's church might visit this website.

Let's hope they do.

The fear of God seems to have disappeared from many Christians.

With leadership like Osteen's, you don't wonder why.

He is popular with people because he is a man pleaser instead of being a God pleaser.

I've listened to bits of his messages online, all postive thinking, a bible mention, but no substance, no godly fear and definately no anointing.

What should be church is little more than a social club. Everybody meet for the Sunday morning entertainment.

How can these people take God's name in vain and suppose they will escape the wrath of God?

As it is, for them, God is love, and love alone, no wrath, an judgment and no hell.

The falling away is here. We can see it with our own eyes. We can touch it.

Let us not live as though we live in the night, but in the light.

God bless.

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Yeshuasboy Dec 8, 2006

I, as well, nod in agreement to Leonard Ravenhill's quote: "If Jesus had preached the same message that ministers preach today, He would never have been crucified."....
Also, I can't recall at the moment who the wise soul was that said something like, "When you change the Message, you change the people." Some churches are rapidly growing today because the Word of God has been watered down just enough to not come across as being "offensive" to those in attendance.....I think is where someone coined the phrase "seeker-sensitive"....But then on the left, or right, you have the "militant" style, those that preach the Word but with a "different" spirit usually manifesting pride, covetousness, etc, and justifying it all in the name of jesus.
I know for me, I must be on constant guard lest I be led astray...and this is done in honest humility by the grace of God. All my thoughts must be taken captive, while "beating" my body daily and making it my slave.
But indeed, the blind are leading the blind into the ditch.
I wonder how many people were considered to be "nice" that weren't saved with Noah and his family, but the flood swept away. There are many "nice, smiling people" in the world who couldn't care less about God, nor that eternal salvation is offered in Christ Jesus.
Please pray for me that all of my life be a faithful witness of the love and righteousness of Christ Jesus....to be the salt and light God desires and commands me to be.
For to compromise with sin is to compromise with the enemy of God. "For his sin aims at God's honor and glory, seeking that his shot will take away from His honor and glory, while adding it to himself" -William Gurnall
"Thus saith the Lord, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain." - Jer 2:5 (kjv) Read this chapter two of Jeremiah for the hundreth time friends and see the heart of God personified...and let us weep over this and draw near the One true God while He is near.
Thanks for the post brother,
Maybe many of today's "preachers" aren't reading the Old Testament books anymore which were given to us as great blessings to heed the prophetic warnings that most Israelites of old chose to ignore, doing this to their own destruction.
Don't want to get off topic to your post....
Be led by His Spirit this day,
richie

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nsteblay Dec 11, 2006

2 Corinthians 13

11 Dear brothers and sisters, I close my letter with these last words: Be joyful. Grow to maturity. Encourage each other. Live in harmony and peace. Then the God of love and peace will be with you.

12 Greet each other with Christian love.

13 All of God’s people here send you their greetings.

14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

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EVAVGELIST Dec 12, 2006

It is so sad when you hear people speak corrupt communication concerning your brothers.

I have read posts where people say, “A real Christian would not do it that way.” By the statement alone it is inferring they are not Christians and therefore, they are taking God off the throne and placing themselves on the throne to judge peoples salvation. THIS IS GODS JOB. Do I preach like Joel Osteen? No, not even close. I probably preach the total opposite, but he is still my brother in the Lord.


Galatians 6:1-3 1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Matthew 7:1-2 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

KrispyKrittr, If you pray for Joel as much as you post negative comments about him, he would probably be the next Billy Graham.


Josh

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Yeshuasboy Dec 12, 2006


KrispyKrittr wrote:
The Lord Jesus Christ was a fire and brimstone preacher, and every God-ordained preacher is commanded to preach the Word with reproof, rebuke, and exhortation" (2 Timothy 4:2).

Joel Osteen got into much trouble this past year when interviewed by Larry King...so much feedback poured in after that interview that he was compelled to post an apology on his website.
The interview is out there in the cyberworld somewhere if one wants to search for it. Besides that, I myself have never been led to study under this person. Really not lead and not interested.
I witnessed that interview though...it is something to see...
God bless you,
Richie

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Yeshuasboy Dec 12, 2006


Yeshuasboy wrote:
Joel Osteen got into much trouble this past year when interviewed by Larry King...so much feedback poured in after that interview that he was compelled to post an apology on his website.
The interview is out there in the cyberworld somewhere if one wants to search for it.

In case you were not aware of this event...here's a few links I quickly came across that seemed interesting: [url=http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/lkl.01.html]The Actual CNN Transcript Of Interview[/url]
[url=http://www.av1611.org/osteen.html]Joel Osteen, True or False Article[/url]
[url=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/osteen/king.htm]http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/osteen/king.htm[/url]
[url=http://pewview.mu.nu/archives/094146.html]Americans Comment On Interview[/url]
All these links were quickly found on a Google search.....Of course, there are many other "Discernment" ministries out their that are useful in equipping God's children with info concerning today's false teachers and doctrines of devils. I would also caution using discernment when using these ministries as research tools. I have come across bias reporting over the net a few times. Be on guard, and be led by the Spirit.
The Lord guide you this day,
richie :-)

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murdog Dec 12, 2006

Members,

I don't regard these false ministers as my brethren. They are damning untold numbers of people to hell with their lies. Their converts use Jesus to serve them, not the other way around.

"They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought no teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain. Titus 1:11

Murray

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brentw Dec 12, 2006

I think the question is: are the people in his church becoming more holy, more like Christ??

sermonindex Dec 12, 2006

"Now, John answered Him, saying, 'Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name and we forbade him because he does not follow us'.

But Jesus said, "[color=CC3300]Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of me.[/color][b][color=CC0033]For he who is not against us is on our side".[/color][/b]

[b]Mark 9:38-40[/b]

Those are Jesus' Words, not mine.


neil

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murdog Dec 12, 2006


I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. Revelation 2:2

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Peter 2:1

As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 1 Timothy 1:3

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:13

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, Matthew 24 10:12

Murray

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EVAVGELIST Dec 13, 2006

In today’s world it seems like so many people want to be pulpit police officers.

Genesis 50:19 19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: FOR AM I IN THE PLACE OF GOD?
It seems like today people want to be in the place of God.

What do they preach? If you want to convince someone that they call themselves true Apostles and you found them liars, PROVE IT. Show me what they teach, show me what Scripture they disobey and show me all the false doctrine. Lastly back up all your claims with the BIBLE.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST NAME CALLING. BLA BLA BLA


Evangelist

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AshleyJnr Dec 13, 2006

Hmm..
Just wondering, is possible that false prophets will not actually seem to disobey scripture?
Isn't it likely that they may just leave the bits that they do disobey out??

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murdog Dec 13, 2006

Evangelist,

I do not apologize for wanting to sit under sound doctrinal teaching.

Are you not aware of the teachings that are propagated by the modern day preachers as scriptural? Or the things they leave out in their sermons such as sin, repentance and hell?

I am not calling anyone names. It does concern me that these men and women are willing to exchange the souls of men for money and comfort in the here and now.

I am referring to people who teach the prosperity gospel or just a watered down gospel. And both are no gospels at all.

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!" Galatians 1:8

Murray

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Yeshuasboy Dec 13, 2006

Larry King: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't except Christ at all?
Joel Osteen: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven...I don't know.

Ya know, in all honesty, I really hope that this man repents of saying such cowardly foolishness. Could you imagine Paul, Peter, John, etc. saying such words?
How can you teach that kind of doctrine and call yourself a Pastor or even a Reverend?
However...there was another man who was one of the pastors at the Toronto Vineyard who recently wrote an article and posted it on the net, apologizing for his involvement with that movement. And I say, Praise God for granting him repentance :-D ...for He came calling sinners to repentance...Praise God...alot of religious folk think they're pretty good people...Well, only God is good (Luke 18:19)

Praise God,
richie

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Chariot Dec 13, 2006

In today’s world it seems like so many people want to be pulpit police officers...back up all your claims with the BIBLE...EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST NAME CALLING, BLA BLA BLA

Hello Evangelist,

There seems to be a subtle inconsistency about your post, in that you do exactly what you set out for others to prove there not doing - name calling. Aren't we told that false teachers will arise and that they are to be marked? I agree that great pain and care should be taken to ensure that this is done in a godly way

But i digress. There are legions of sites that 'police the pulpits,' - admittedly some better than others - toiling, with extensive citations from the preacher in question, to determine that a false gospel, teaching, or anything else that needs to be marked is done biblically. If you don't agree with what they find or the conclusions they draw, that is another story.

I've often wondered, is not the rise in discernment ministries a direct correlation of the growing tide of false doctrine being drummed from the pulpits and over the airwaves?

I believe that what Olsteen teaches has done untold damage to the body of Christ. His message is overly tailored to blunt the double-edged SWORD. If you would like proof i would be happy to direct you to the many sites specializing in this. A few saints on this thread have already done this however.

God Bless
Rob

sermonindex Dec 13, 2006

Brother,

let me preface this by saying that I'm not a big fan of Joel Osteen, just so you know, not a big fan of Toronto and the stuff thats going on up there, and in all honesty, I'm not a big fan of some posters around here, may God bless them all.

But your going wrong in your posting by calling a man "cowardly", and in essence a "fool(ishness)".

Didnt you pick up that Larry King's question was a "bait" question? This is a secular program with a secular audience, and they are just looking for the opportunity for a Christian "pastor", "preacher", whatever you want to call him, to pronouce judgement and hellfire on a secular audience, so they can turn around and say, "see! This is a "christian".....and THIS is the Gospel?

The first words uttered by Jesus at the start of His public ministry was "Repent, the Kingdom of Heaven is near you". Repent, as you know can mean "turn", "turn away"...and that "they" turn to God and be healed, and another way to use "heal" is "to be saved".

The Good News, the Gospel is "repent, the Kingdom of Heaven is near you". GOOD NEWS. to Larry, I would explain, that the curtain leading into the Holy of Holies was ripped in two, and that everyone, thruout the world can now enter into the Holy Of Holies....the "Kingdom of Heaven is near you".

It means if your god is money, turn away from this God and turn to Jesus, because the god that is money will fail you, if your god is feeding the flesh, turn from this repent, BECAUSE the Kingdom of Heaven is NEAR YOU, and it is joy and peace everlasting, it is eternal life.

Joel used the words "very careful", he didnt say "afraid". Now Richie, you ever been in front of a secular audience? You have to be careful about the words you choose, you have to speak with unction, to use the Word, to make people ENVIOUS of so great a salvation, make them ENVIOUS of the JOY we have IN CHRIST.

It's a tightrope, especially in front of a 21st century media soaked secular audience. I saw James Dobson being interviewed by Larry King, and I wasnt that pleased , for reasons that I will keep private, but Larry didnt pose such a question to him, they talked about political stuff and the so-called "culture wars", which, in my opinion have nothing to do with the Gospel.

In fact the 109th Congress, this last session did nothing except hypervetilate about Terry Schiavo, stem cell research and the same sex marriage debate. "Culture Wars", that was it.

You speak of what Paul would have said, what do you think what Paul meant in First Corinthians 19 thru 23?

"To those not having the law, I bcame like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law) so as to win those not having the law".

"To the weak, I became weak, to win the weak".

you can read thru that Passage yourself, and pray on it, if you so desire.

But they, the secular audience out there is weak, some dont even believe in God, or that the Bible is the Word of God, its like pearls to swine, and if a guy goes out there Holy Ghost guns blazing and calls down hellfire, in a question that is a "bait" question, he is doing Christ no service.

Mind you and I will say this again, I am no follower or fan of the ministry of Joel Osteen, but I'll tell ya what, and this thread is perfect example: in my Bible, on the upper margin of page 1768, I wrote "sermonindex" above this verse of Romans:

"Therefore, let us stop passing judgement on one another. Instead, make up you mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way".

Romans 14:13

(in context Paul is speaking of those who eat meat or not, on both sides of this passage, you can look at that yourself)

okay, I'm done. May God bless you today is my prayer. neil

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roman Dec 20, 2006

You speak of what Paul would have said, what do you think what Paul meant in First Corinthians 19 thru 23?
"To those not having the law, I bcame like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law) so as to win those not having the law".

"To the weak, I became weak, to win the weak".

you can read thru that Passage yourself, and pray on it, if you so desire.

But they, the secular audience out there is weak, some dont even believe in God, or that the Bible is the Word of God, its like pearls to swine, and if a guy goes out there Holy Ghost guns blazing and calls down hellfire, in a question that is a "bait" question, he is doing Christ no service.

Leonard Ravenhill said something like this (sorry cant quote verbatim) "If Jesus preached what these preachers preach today He would not be crucified." In the same way I would say "If Paul preached this type of message to Gentiles & Jews, he would not be persecuted."

The way I see this presentation of the gospel is not of being like them (as stated above) but its more of "fear of man." Fear of how people will react ... fear they will be hurted ... fear they might turn away from Christians or Christianity.

If Paul had become like the Gentiles & Jews in this manner of preaching the gospel, they would have not persecute & even desired his death. What's offending in saying "Jesus the Way, the Truth & the Life no one comes to the Father except through Him." It is offending to the people who are perishing.

No matter how you speak the word of God in love, people will still be hurt because they can not accept the truth. The same way people were hurt in the preaching of Jesus & Paul. If we preach the Word in love & purity and people get hurt, I believe we have clean hands before God. But if we hurt them because of our fleshly preaching, then we are accountable to God; much more if we coat the gospel.

The Word of God is a sword.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Revelation 1:16 (KJV) And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

"Lets have fear of God and not fear of men."


In brotherly love,
roman


sermonindex Dec 20, 2006

I just wrote a article on this same topic:

[b]THE CHURCH THAT WOULD NOT SUFFER! by Greg Gordon[/b]
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=13855&forum=16


Here is a excerpt:

ANCIENT AND MODERN

To any careful observer of the church in our day we realize there is a great disparity between the modern day example and the apostolic original. Here is anonymous article written in the 1700’s depicting some of these disparities very vividly. Oh for a reviving of the true apostolic spirit in the Church is the crying need of our day, or perhaps the only answer for the Church in this day:

“Ancient and modern preachers. The difference between ancient and modern preachers taken from the Scriptures. If any think me to severe to the Clergy, let them study the examples of Christ and his apostles, and compare the picture.

Ancient: CHRIST call'd his preachers to renounce their wealth, And set a glorious pattern in himself, Who, tho' he did possess all things in store, Yet for our sakes, became exceeding poor.

Modern: Some preachers now, large salaries do fix, So that, by preaching, they may now grow rich, So far departing from their blessed Lord, They worship mammon and a golden god.

Ancient: CHRIST told them, to be wise, they must be fools, And that not all the knowledge of the schools, Could ever teach one soul the way to heaven, That this is only by his spirit given.

Modern: But now, some go unto the schools of men, Expecting heavenly wisdom to obtain, And that, by reading books, they may acquire The holy spirit, the baptismal fire.

Ancient: CHRIST charg'd his followers, titles to contemn And, often faithfully, admonish'd them Not to be called RABBI, learned, wise, But all ambitious selfishness despise.

Modern: Now, some are call'd Archbishops and Prelates, Reverend Doctors, learn'd, wise, and great, The reverend parson, and master of arts, Old pharisaick pride, in all its parts.

Ancient: CHRIST told his followers, to be meek and mild, As low and humble as a little child, That they must not aspire to lofty seats, But must come down and wash each others feet.

Modern: Now some, in garments long, do love to stand, With college flourishes, they wave their hands, Read their writings, and then call it preaching, Old orthodox apostolick teaching. Now money, schools and books supply the place, Of humble love, and sanctifiing grace, When money fails, these teachers often flee, The reason is, because, they hirelings be. When any now, are call'd of GOD, to teach, And by his spirit, are sent forth to preach, These learn'd scholars soon, will them degrade, Lest their cheap preaching should spoil their trade.

Ancient: CHRIST told his followers that they must expect, The world would hate them treat them with neglect, That as they hated him without a cause, So they would hate his followers and his laws. Fools in the eastern of the world.

Modern: No, say some modern preachers, 'tis not true, The world will love us and respect too, We are commanded for to live in peace, We will not then disturb their carnal ease.

Ancient: CHRIST told them, a distinction they must make, That they, the sheep and goats, must separate, That, as the sheep were separate from wolves. They must not be by worldly maxims rul'd.

Modern: No, say some teachers, this is a mistake; Therfore, we now will join the church and state. Tho' this is very far from GOD'S design, This jargon union, they attempt to join.

Ancient: CHRIST oft declares, the help of man is vain, And, that except a man be born again, And that except we all converted be, GOD'S kingdom we can never, never see.

Modern: Some hold, that there is yet some power in man, And that by creeds, and modes, and forms he can, Profess, confess, and plead, and, by degrees, The holy, angry, jealous GOD, appease.

Ancient: CHRIST says he is the way, the truth, the life, That, our of him, we have no strength or light. We have no faith, no hope, no might, at all. He is our joy, our hope, our all in all.

Modern: Why then, among the herdsmen, is such strife, When all of them can't bring a flea to life. Striving, both night and day, to proselyte, And yet cannot make one hair black or white!

Ancient: CHRIST'S followers, of old, were of one heart, Did, with their worldly int'rest, freely part; Neither did any say, ought was his own; It all in common stock was freely thrown.

Modern: Some christians now, so selfish they are grown, It is with trouble, we can get our own, And sometimes are obliged to complain, Unto the laws, our rights for to obtain.

Ancient: Christians all took their names from CHRIST, their head, All party names, from them, entirely fled, No Parthians or Medes with them were known, No other names, but christians, they would own.

Modern: Christians are so divided, in our days, The want of true religion it betrays, Presbyterian, Churchmen, Baptist, Quaker, Methodist, Universalist, and Shaker. It makes me almost sick, To see the names Iv'e writ, My pen I now will quit, And will not waste My paper.”

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