BSBKJVWEBYLTASVBBEWMBT4TDBY|HymnsMusicDonate
Menu
General

"Christianity is fighting back in the UK" ?!

A
adamdawkins Dec 21, 2006

Hi all,

I felt the Lord lead me to flick through the Daily Mail, a tabloid newspaper in the UK. I say He lead me because I was expecting to find something on Christianity. The person that wrote the following article is clearly not describing a revival, or anything like a geniune move of God like we long for, but never-the-less, I thought it would be interesting to post it and see what people have to say.

The following article was in a tabloid in the UK today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_article_id=424082&in_page_id=1787&in_page_id=1787&expand=true

May God truly revive this once great nation for His glory!

Adam.

sermonindex Dec 21, 2006

Interesting..


A while back I felt like God was calling me to go do a bit of mission work, and He later revealed England as the place to go. It's only going to be a temporary thing and it won't be especially soon as I need to finish high school and then save up enough money to go, but someday I'll be going. When I told my dad about it, he said that England doesn't need any missionaries 'cause they're a Christian nation. Unfortunately he doesn't know that that's not quite true anymore...

God has mighty things in store for the UK... people, not just in the UK but around the world, just need to wake up and realize it.

(It's funny that you posted this today, 'cause just a few hours ago I was starting to wonder if God even wanted me to go... "maybe it's just my imagination..". This reminded me that it's His will, not my own.)

A
adamdawkins Dec 22, 2006

Cool! I nearly didn't bother posting it :)

When you do make it over, let me know and we'll meet up. Wesley didn't even see change in my town!

Keep going, keep trusting Him!

Adam.

sermonindex Dec 22, 2006


Adam,

Very interesting article.

It expresses beautifully what I've tried to share privately with some of our American brethren on SI, about the relatively comfortable colour mix we have here.

I thought this response from Andrea (writing on the Daily Mail website), captures something close to my perspective.

The problem is not that we don't need Christianity, but that fundamentalism of other religion (including atheism - one of the great hidden religions) rushes into the vacuum left by British apathy. Anyone who thinks that Britain will become some great fount of multi-cultural and secular wisdom probably also thinks that Tony Blair is truthful.
I have been truly disappointed by Tony Blair's barely virtual lip-service to Christian values in our country.

A
adamdawkins Dec 22, 2006

Yes, there are rumours that Blair is even involved in organisations such as Free Masonry and the like. I doubt my response on the Daily Mail site will get posted :P

Blesings,

Adam.

A
adamdawkins Dec 22, 2006

Lord, in Your mercy remember our nation! Send a revival as of old - raise up preachers, intercessors and prophets, unafraid of men with reverance towards God!

Amen!

sermonindex Dec 22, 2006

Lord, in Your mercy remember our nation! Send a revival as of old - raise up preachers, intercessors and prophets, unafraid of men with reverance towards God!

Amen
Thanks for posting the link to this article Adam!

sermonindex Dec 22, 2006

the last for real revival I read about was so far from the City of London as humanly possible and that was the move of God in the Hebridean revival of 1949-53, and before that in Wales in 1904-05.

Don't mistake me brother, I love the UK. Besides my mother country the US, its the only other place I feel comfortable, but you guys over there got de facto asheroth poles hanging about, and I'm referencing Stonehendge and the lot.

I was just asking my pastor the other day when the Gospel was first brought to the islands.

He didnt know and neither did I, but i can tell you this, if the Gospel was brought via the roman church, post 345 AD, that was no gospel at all. ( I dont want to get into the whole sectarian mess in the UK, but rome is just a whore and a harlot)

furthermore as a Jew saved by grace, England has a TERRIBLE history regarding our people, to wit:

Although a few Jews came from Roman times onwards, the majority came to England, from Rouen in France, with William the Conqueror in 1066. The first English "Street of the Jews" was recorded in London in 1128 and by 1229, 17 towns had a Jewry.


Until the time of Stephen (1135-54) the Jews had prospered. He sought to protect them but he also sought to tax them - up to one fourth of their liquid assets.

At the coronation of Richard the Lion Hearted in 1189, Jews bearing handsome gifts were refused entry by officials and pelted by mobs. The story circulated that the king wished them exterminated and many Jews were killed in riots and their stately homes were burned. Richard punished the ringleaders and sought to prevent further outrages and protect his financial interest in "his Jews". When Richard left for the third crusade in 1190 a series of terrible massacres wiped out several Jewish communities. The York riot was the worst. Before following Richard to the crusades, warriors, many of whom were heavily in debt to the Jews, plundered the possessions of the Jews. The Jews fled to the castle and were besieged by the warriors. When the Jews realised they were doomed they took their own lives. The few surviving when the tower was stormed were slaughtered. The attackers then went to the cathedral and burned the records of their financial obligations to their victims.

King John (1167- 1216) imprisoned all Jews, tortured many and extorted 60,000 silver marks. In 1194 English Jewry was called to Northampton to allocate a Tallage of 5000 marks – their contribution to ransom of Richard I. Also in 1194 "The Exchequer of the Jews" was set up to control money lending activities. Every Jewish moneylender had to swear an oath on the Torah scrolls that he would register all his bonds. The church forbade money lending for interest so the Jews were needed as they did not have such a prohibition. Although many Jews became wealthy through money-lending, their legal status was one of rightlessness". "The Jew can have nothing of his own, for whatever he acquires, he acquires not for himself but for the king". In 1210 John arrested all wealthy Jews and demanded a ransom for their release. Roger of Wendover recorded the story of one "Jew of Bristol" who refused to pay his ransom. The king ordered his torturers to pull out one of his molar teeth every day until he paid the 1000 marks. He stood it for seven days, but paid the ransom when they started on his eighth tooth.

Henry III (1207-1272) taxed the Jews until many sought to leave England.

In 1218 the Council "informed what great profit might arise from the Jews if they are kindly dealt with". Prominent people were responsible for their security from molestation, "especially from the Crusaders". In March 1218 the Royal Council, under pressure from Papal legate ordered that all adult Jews wear the cloth "badge of shame". It was a yellow felt or taffeta shape representing the two tablets of the Law, 2 fingers wide by 4 long. In 1275 it was increased to 6x3. These were troubled times as the church was becoming increasingly Anti-Semitic and Crusaders were questioning going off to the "Holy Land" to kill infidels when they had Jews at home to deal with first. Jews were suspect because they were not under the rigid control the church exercised over the natives, and because they were conspicuously different and separate in dress, lifestyle, customs, language, and education (locals were illiterate and innumerate). Their business was a source of resentment to those who owed them money.

When Edward was crowned in 1272 the Jews were too poor to be needed and in 1275 his "Act concerning Jews" prohibited them from money lending.

Jewish communities throughout Europe suffered from blood libels – stories of Christian children being murdered in Jewish rituals. Blood Libel

The Expulsion

In 1290, Edward I sent secret orders to the sheriff that all Jews, with their wives, children and chattels, were, on pain of death, to quit the realm by 1 November, the feast of All Saints. The sheriff was to ensure that they suffered no injury, harm, damage or grievance in their departure. The penalty for any Jew who remained behind after that was death. In October (a month before the deadline) 16,000 had left for France and Belgium. Many did not arrive – (some were tricked by a ships captain, into leaving the ship when it ran aground in the Thames Estuary. They were then left to drown with the rising tide.)

Paris was the goal of the wealthiest, but in February 1291 Philip the Fair expelled all English Jews from his lands except those profitable to the French crown . It is not known what became of Hereford's Jews.


so, what does one say?

The British did it, we all know what the Germans did to the Jews, the French are no sweet hearts, the Slavs and the Russian cossacks raped and pillaged their Jewish ghettos, and then when it came time for the Jews to be granted by the UN a modern state of Israel, besides the arabs, the children of Ishmael, what nation was thr greatest opposer of such a state?

the UK.....

and now take a look today, what are the two most secular godless nations within the EU?

Britain and Germany.

point being: I get a check in the spirit when I hear about Christianity "fighting" back.

ours is not to fight, but to die. Would to God, modern age Christians get a taste of what REAL persecution is about, its about dying, not bleating to the press, or constructing right wing poltical "news" websites that dare to take the Name of the Lord in vain for their poltical agenda.

my last point, dear brother is this: woe to those kill and persecute God's chosen people, and I am including those who are ingrafted branches, coz God has a long memory, like forever.

in Jesus' love, neil

(oi mate, didnt mean to seem sharp, just telling it like it is.)

C
Compton Dec 22, 2006

...when the Gospel was first brought to the islands.

... if the Gospel was brought via the roman church, post 345 AD, that was no gospel at all

Actually, I think Christianity was first imported via Roman soldiers and tradesmen who were Christians...many years before an official "Romanized" church was established. In fact, Augustine's efforts to convert Britain to Romanism was somewhat thwarted via St. Patrick.

It's fair to say, Celtic Christianity has a different flavor from the Roman brand mix.

There's some geeky facts for ya!

MC

A
adamdawkins Dec 23, 2006

point being: I get a check in the spirit when I hear about Christianity "fighting" back.

I don't want you to misunderstand me, I didn't take the article I posted a link to as if Christianity is genuinely 'fighting back' or even being re-established in the UK.

Britain is no doubt one of the most guilty nations before God, and as many prophecies as there have been since the last revivals of a new one sweeping though the UK, the latest words over the UK and London are those of Judgement, as we saw evident in the 7/7 tube bombings.

I just thought the article was interesting, and I do thank God for this Archbishop of York within the C of E, because he seems, for the most part - a God-fearing man.

We are a long way from Revival, but I don't believe God has entirely forsaken us.

As for Germany and Britain being the "most godless nations in the EU" what makes you say that? I don't ask because I disagree necessarily, but am curious - are they the most godless based on their treatment of the Jews in the past...or was there something else you were basing this statement on?

I'll be away for a few days so might not get round to replying but would appreciate your reply,

blessings,

Adam.

sermonindex Dec 23, 2006

the UK is a wonderful place, and produced a man of God, (actually two) firstly Duncan Campbell, who even though is with the Lord, has served as mentor and a Godly guide and teacher for me, as well as the ministry of Evan Roberts.

Both these men, one Welsh, one Scot have blessed me tremendously.

and may the Lord bless you today, neil

D
deltadom Dec 24, 2006

As for Germany and Britain being the "most godless nations in the EU"

How about France!!! or Portugal!!

B
BereanMinded Dec 24, 2006

I heard that they have 24 hr prayer meetings all over london.

Is that true?

sermonindex Dec 24, 2006


I heard that they have 24 hr prayer meetings all over london.

Is that true?

I don't know about 'all over' but there is a 'prayer wall' in my city in the Midlands and I believe it is not the only one.

H
Here4Him Dec 24, 2006

Brother Adam, I thank God for you! I say a big AMEN to your prayer for England, our country, a country once great by God's grace. May He make it so again by turning us back to Himself!

"Lord, in Your mercy remember our nation! Send a revival as of old - raise up preachers, intercessors and prophets, unafraid of men with reverance towards God!"

Let's not give up on our land, as wicked and godless as it is, who knows if God will perhaps visit us again.

And Bartle my brother, i do want to remind you that God has raised up more than 2 men of God from the UK! You didn't even credit Him for raising up one English man of God! Not even one! Can i present before you, John Wesley, George Whitefield, Rolland Hill, William Carey, William Booth, CH Spurgeon to mention just a few!

He did it then and i am trusting Him to do it again! Amen Father glorify Your great Name!

H
Here4Him Dec 24, 2006

Brother Neil i have thought of a few more men of God that He has raised up from England. The list is endless!

George Muller, James Hudson-Taylor, Henry Martyn, JC Ryle, Charles Wesley, Daniel Rowland, John Bunyan, William Cowper, George Fow, Isaac Watts, John Hooper, all the Puritans (Sibbes, Brooks, Flavel, Charnock, Watson, John Owen, George Swinnock, Thomas Manton etc) William Tynedale, John Wycliffe (without these last two neither the UK or the US would have had personal Bibles!), Hugh Latimer, Thomas Bilney, Leonard Ravenhill, Martin Lloyd Jones, William Wilberforce, Smith Wigglesworth, Derek Prince, John knox, Christmas Evans, Billy Bray, Horatius and Andrew Bonar, Robert Murray Mcheyne (these three were scottish), John Elias, AW Pink, CT Studd, Gipsey Smith, Thomas Goodwin, Matthew Henry, Augustus Toplady, William Gurnell, Samuel Rutherford and i could go on!!!!

Sorry to be so bold in making my point brother!

I just want to give glory to God for what He has done in this nation in the past and for how good He has been to us by giving us these men filled with His Spirit!

Oh that He might raise up some more for His glory in my country and yours!

Amen

D
DoulosQuinn Dec 25, 2006

British history has much in the way of HIS work, HE is HOLY to let people reap what they sow, but HE is not done with that nation. I am so thankful to HIM for all the praise leaders (deleriou, Tim hughs, Paul oakly...more)
Quinn

sermonindex Dec 25, 2006

point being: I get a [i]check in the spirit[/i] when I hear about Christianity "fighting" back.

Amen, brother. What does "Christianity fighting back" really mean? What, in fact, is Christianity? Some system of beliefs or doctrine? Some ideology? Some dead letter?

I'd say that Christianity is the risen Christ, alive in the members of His body. Hence, "Christianity fighting back," by neglecting the work of the Chief Cornerstone, makes any move of God sound no different from some secular propaganda like "feminism in the upsurge" or "a return to communism."

Doctrines do not fight. For the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. Are we then expecting a blind world (of secular journalism) to see the kingdom of heaven? (John 3:3) Are we mocking their blindness? Can they tell the difference between a sheep and a goat?

In Christ,
Slavyan

P.S. Please forgive me if I sounded sarcastic here. I think I might have. Sometimes I feel like we become too earthly minded when we focus on what the world says about us. The Lord wants us to focus on the things that are above.

S
Smokey Dec 25, 2006

bartle

How truly wise, and close to God you must be, to be able to state that the United Kingdom, in all her history has only brought forth 2 men of God.
My hope for the next year is that I can speak for God as confidently as you.

Blessings Greg

P.S. In a past life, were you called beenblake?

G
ginnyrose Dec 25, 2006

Here4Him,
Do you not include yourself in this number? If you walk in obedience you are no less important then the 'big' names you quoted...

Didn't mean to pick, just wanted you to realize all who walk the walk are important to God, whether we think of ourselves as this way or not...Have a blessed day....

ginnyrose

This discussion is locked.

Archived
1 of 23 posts