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BUSY, STRONG AND WITHOUT GOD by brother Greg

sermonindex Jan 6, 2007

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[b]Busy, Strong And Without God[/b]
[i]by brother Greg[/i]

A warning against having church strength without God

A PROPHETIC WORD

In a Church age of frivolity, foolishness and fun there needs to be strong admonitions and warnings against this type of acceptance of Church practice and profession. Never in the history of the Church have so many false concepts crept in unawares beguiling many souls. This is the method of the devil to work all deceivableness amongst the Church as an angel of light to deceive even the elect! One of the most successful attempts of the subtile enemy of our souls is to teach and allow the Church to rely on its own strength rather then on the power of God. The saintly E.M. Bounds wrote a old article on this topic and it speaks with prophetic unction to our modern day stance we find ourselves in. May God minister it afresh and anew to our hearts in these terrible last days:

"This is one of the devil’s most insidious and successful methods to deceive, divert and deprave. He marshals and parades the most engaging material results, lauds the power of civilizing force and makes it glories and power pass in review till church leaders are dazzled, and ensnared, and the Church becomes thoroughly worldly while boasting of her spirituality. No deceiver is so artful in the diabolical trade of deception as Satan. As an angel of light he leads a soul to death. To mistake the elements of church strength, is to mistake the character of the Church, and also to change its character all its efforts and aims. The strength of the Church lies in its piety. All else is incidental, and is not of the strength of things. But in worldly, popular language of this day, a church is called strong when its membership is large, when it has social position, financial resources; when ability, learning, and eloquence fill the pulpit, and when the pews are filled by fashion, intelligence, money, and influence. An estimate of this kind is worldly to the fullest extent.”

"The church thus defines its strength is on the highway to apostasy. The strength of the Church does not consist of any or all of these things. The faith, holiness and zeal of the Church are the elements of its power. Church strength does not consist in its numbers and its money, but in the holiness of its members. Church strength is not found in these worldly attachments or endowments, but in the endowment of the Holy Ghost on its members. No more fatal or deadly symptom can be seen in a church than this transference of its strength from spiritual to material forces, from the Holy Ghost to the world. The power of God in the Church is the measure of its strength and is the estimate which God puts on it, and not the estimate the world puts on it. Here is the measure of its ability to meet the ends of its being. These are signs that are unmistakable and of dire import that Protestantism has been blinded and caught by Satan’s dazzling glare.”

"On the contrary, show us a church, poor, illiterate, obscure and unknown, but composed of praying people. They may be men of neither power nor wealth or influence. They may be families that do not know one week where they are to get their bread for the next. But with them is ‘the hiding of God’s power,’ and their influence will be felt for eternity, and their light shines, and the they are watched, and wherever they go, there is a fountain of light, and Christ in them is glorified and His kingdom advanced. They are His chosen vessels of salvation and His luminaries to reflect His light.”


THE BARENESS OF BUSYNESS

Don Currin relates in a recent article on the theme of ‘The Tragedy of Substituting Work for Worship’ and gives two very strong examples of this in this article that is of vast utmost importance for us to hear:

"Satan called a worldwide convention. In the opening address to his evil spirits he said, ‘We can't keep true Christians from going to church. We can't keep them from reading their Bibles and knowing the truth. We can't even keep them from having conservative values. But we can do something else. We can keep them from forming an intimate, abiding experience with Christ. If they gain that connection with Jesus, our power over them is broken. So let them go to church, read their Bibles, and have their conservative lifestyles, but steal their time so they do not have time to have an intimate fellowship with Christ. This is what I want you to do: keep them busy in the nonessentials of life and invent innumerable schemes to occupy their minds.’ How tragic it is that the devil has been so successful in getting so many believers to overextend themselves today in this world's pursuits to the neglect of fellowship with Christ.”

"Hudson Taylor warned of the danger of allowing the demands of this life to keep us from maintaining the vineyard of our fellowship with Christ. Our attention is here drawn to a danger which is preeminently one of this day: the intense activity of our times may lead to zeal in service, to the neglect of personal communion. Such neglect will not only lessen the value of the service, but tend to incapacitate us for the higher service. Let us never forget that what we are is more important than what we do, and that all fruit when not abiding in Christ must be fruit of the flesh and not the Spirit. As wounds when healed often leave a scar, so the sin of the neglected communion may be forgiven and yet the effect remain permanently. The story is told about a spring whose waters had certain medicinal properties so that those who drank from it were helped in the cases of various infirmities. In the course of time, homes sprung up around the spring. Later, a hotel was built, then stores of all kinds. Eventually, a town grew into a city! Years passed. Then there came a day when visiting tourists would ask, "By the way, where is the spring from which this grew?" Dwellers of the city would rub their hands in embarrassment and say, "I am sorry that I cannot tell you, but, somehow, in the midst of all our progress and improvement we lost the spring and no one knows where it is."


CHURCH WITHOUT GOD

We see a very clear picture in Scripture of the Church that does not rely on God’s strength but on their capabilities and dependence. We see a picture of the mighty Samson who was used mightily of God before the Philistines. But alas let us read how the story ends: "And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times as before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the Lord was departed from him. But the Philistines took him and put out his eyes, and brought him to Gaza and bound him with fetters of brass; and he did grind in the prison house.” Oh tragedy of tragedies! "he wist not” Samson did not realize that the power of God had completely left him! Do we realize that God’s manifest presence has left the North American Church? We are incapable of reaching this generation of lost souls without God no matter what mission organization statistics are saying in our day. We need to repent from any Laodicean spirit in us that says: "I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing...” Oh how we are in need of much today, we are missing the glory of God and a measure of Him that we never even realized that we could possess. There are very few people who realize what God has done in the past and what He can do today. The words in the book of Judges God speaks to us and shows us the condition of our day also: "and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.” We have people that know God even in the evangelical sense but have lost the sense of the beauty and majesty and awesome terribleness of our God. The fear of God has been lost as God said: "Fear ye not me? saith the Lord.”

Catherine Booth shares these stirring words of professors but not possessors of religion in her day: "The moment anybody attempts really to obey Jesus Christ, they cry, ‘Mad! mad! away with such a fellow; he is not fit to live.’ What a veritable laughing-stock to hell such professed Christians make themselves. The devil says, ‘All right; let them alone. Let them go to their sanctuaries, let them have their creeds and ceremonies, let them sing their sweet hymns, and amuse themselves with their religious entertainments and their Bible classes; do not disturb them, whatever you do, they are amongst my best and most successful allies.’ Oh, may God show us these things, and help us to set to work to awaken every backslidden, lazy professor within reach of us.” Those that truly know God will be active in obedience with God, we must persevere and give continued proof that we are indeed born again. God in us and in our midst! there is nothing more exciting and powerful in this world! Oh it has to change things, it must!


WEAK BUT STRONG

Christ uses the weak to shame the wise, the poor to usurp the rich, the meek to overpower the strong, the persecuted to give a manifest token of the perdition of ungodly men. It has been said that from the beginning with Adam and Eve that Satan desires for us to utilize our soulish capabilities rather then depend on the Spirit of God. This was the first subtlety and it continues to our day. God uses the unusable still! A.W. Tozer spoke prophetically of a generation of popular preachers that would in lead the masses of Christianity into spiritual weakness. We need a revival where God uses the weak once again so that His strength may be shown. When we are weak we are truly strong!

The Apostle James wrote this 2000 years ago and it is a fresh word for our generation may we take heed to it: "Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned into mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.” Surely also the older prophet word given by Joel needs to taken heed to also: "Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?”

Oh Church of God to our knees! J. Hudson Taylor’s advice to his missionaries was: "You must go forward on your knees." William Cowper said "Satan trembles when he sees the weakest saint upon his knees." The Church need to be found on its knees in our day, may we be found there when God comes.

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Nellie Jan 6, 2007

Amen, Brother Greg.
May God in His Infinite Mercy help the Body of Christ see.
To take the scales from off our eyes, that we may behold His Glory, in the Face of Jesus Christ, and then show others, through the Power of the
Holy Spirit, that Jesus is the Way, The Truth,
and the Life.
God Bless
Nell

sermonindex Jan 6, 2007

Recent comment on this article:

... your writings are really starting to fire me up, I have no words to express my thoughts, feelings, and convictions after reading this... I wanted to say Amen... but all I can saw is Woe! How pitiful we are oh church of America.

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Compton Jan 6, 2007

“On the contrary, show us a church, poor, illiterate, obscure and unknown, but composed of praying people. They may be men of neither power nor wealth or influence. They may be families that do not know one week where they are to get their bread for the next. But with them is ‘the hiding of God’s power,’ and their influence will be felt for eternity, and their light shines, and the they are watched, and wherever they go, there is a fountain of light, and Christ in them is glorified and His kingdom advanced. They are His chosen vessels of salvation and His luminaries to reflect His light.”

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murdog Jan 6, 2007

Saints,

Nothing more needs to be said.

Father, forgive us for our self sufficiency and our inexhaustible pride.

Murray

sermonindex Jan 6, 2007

I saw this under the signature of someone's account and thought it really fit in perfect with the subject matter of the article:

“A prayerless man is proud and independent, and any church that neglects corporate prayer is sadly no better. Only God's humble and needy children take the time to pray. Everyone else is just going through the motions and [b]naively trusting in their own strength![/b]” –David Smithers

sermonindex Jan 7, 2007

Some more comments on this article:

I didn't want to let this get by us and believe it is a word for some that may come on here - for the business we get outselves into so may times take presedence over our time with the Lord and the word.

The enemy loves to keep us busy, and in a wilderness of the word and our time with the Lord, actually gets us back in the flesh and out of walking by the spirit.

I felt this to be an excellant word to think on and to check where we are at and even confess our lack of time with the Lord and to be in prayer for one another.

God Bless, lynn

I have seen this to be so true, I have seen the move of God more in the poor innercity churches, than in the burbs where they have everything but the power of God. Give me a poor, in need church any day and you will find some that know how to pray. Just last week I was a a meeting in Fulton St. NYC it was full on mostly the poor, but hungery for God! Ian

Thanks again Gregg - for sharing this with us. Definately need to be on our knees.

sermonindex Jan 8, 2007

Another comment on the article:

I am almost at an utter loss of words after reading this.

About 3 months ago, the Lord gave me a dream. In this dream, I was living in a house with several other christians. I was being kept very busy and was very exhausted with the demands on my time as every time I turned around someone was calling my name and asking me to do something.

In the dream, someone knocked at the door and I answered it. There was a man and woman who seemed to be social workers and they had an infant that they handed to me and they told me that noone else would take care of the infant, that I MUST take care of her.

The infant was very tiny and weak looking. I felt a lot of compassion for the baby and took her into the house. As soon as I entered, my christian housemates started clamoring for my attention. I thought I would put the baby in a warm place to sleep while I did the other things that I was being pressured to do. I put the baby in the oven.(I would never do this to a real baby) and left the oven door open. When I came back to check on the baby, I found that someone had not only closed the oven door but had turned the oven on. The baby was very weak and dehydrated and was crying so weakly I could barely hear her. I took her out of the oven, and washed her and gave her some water.

Inexplicably, I put her back in the oven AGAIN as I heard my housemates clamoring for me again. The results were even worse as I found the baby barely clinging to life. I said ENOUGH!! I sent the others away, and started to tenderly care for the baby, and within a very short period of time the baby was no longer a weak, premature looking little thing, but a vibrant chubby child who was smiling at me. END OF DREAM.

For these past few months I have been asking, Lord who am I neglecting? What is the meaning of this dream? I knew that the infant symbolized something or someone. And as I read this article, I had my answer. The Lord spoke to my heart and I was crushed. That baby is my own soul.

I am going right now, to get on my knees and repent. Please pray for me.

C
Compton Jan 8, 2007

And as I read this article, I had my answer. The Lord spoke to my heart and I was crushed. That baby is my own soul.

Tragically poignant and yet beautiful picture for our business minded churches to consider...

And add to this neglect, the souls of your little children if you are a parent...

About 5 years ago my 8 year old son complained to me one evening as I eagerly headed out the door to worship practice, "Dad you're always either at work or at church. Your'e never home!" He was right...on top of my work week I happily would spend many hours at the church...often on Sunday's I would only be home long enough to take a nap.

It was hard for me to concentrate much on worship practice that night...

Now, having escaped that net, it amazes me how little church actually happens at church these days...a few minutes of prayer and a few minutes of preaching the word...the rest of the time we route the children into seperate rooms to spend even more time away from their parents who are sitting in pews listening to shallow entertaining music, and announcements about special speakers, retreats, conferences, movies, and concert events. Many churches have two and three services on Sunday mornings and still manage to queue the people through by noon. Throughout the week there are various activities designed for this segment or that segment of the church, showing how we do not have much in common with one another after all. In all this hub bub, home groups are often extolled as the great glue that will save the church.

Much of this is in response to rising mega churches who are like religous Wal-Marts, siphening off the choosy faithful from other duller churches. (Church leaders must be sadly aware that these churches do not grow through evangelism...in fact a common question among the savvy Christians these days is "Where are you going now?") Church growth is a cynical business, but how can a church with a half million or more dollars of building debt do otherwise?

This merchandising is called "cultural relevancy'...I wonder if we were trying to attract a tribe of cannabilistic headhunters to church how culturally relevant we could allow ourselves to become.

As for me and my house, I am finding it more profitable to remain at home and instruct my children personally. I see so little of them throughout the week as it is...the time we spend together talking and looking in the bible throughout the week is precious and much more profitable then taking them someplace where they are quarentined to make popsicle stick crafts while the adults sit in pews.

I would love to know of a better way... but children are formed in only a few short years and it would be too sad for me to experiment further with their souls during the little time I have left with them. I've served the organization's needs enough...and continue to serve them in albiet in more limited ways...but now I pray I can use the remaining time that is left to tend to the little flock entrusted to me.

Blessings,

MC

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mamaluk Jan 10, 2007

I am finding it more profitable to remain at home and instruct my children personally. I see so little of them throughout the week as it is...the time we spend together talking and looking in the bible throughout the week is precious and much more profitable then taking them someplace where they are quarentined to make popsicle stick crafts while the adults sit in pews.

I would love to know of a better way... but children are formed in only a few short years and it would be too sad for me to experiment further with their souls during the little time I have left with them. I've served the organization's needs enough

Praise God for this, really, a voice so needed to be heard, a testimony to be noted, amidst all the chaotic programs and activities in the church buildings/organizations, crowding out so much of the most solemn worship and of home fellowship.


Indeed, what better way can that be of what God saw in the way of Abraham as we read in

Genesis 18:17-19
17And the LORD said, ......................

19 For I know him, that[b] he will[/b] command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord..."

To all the fathers in Christ, may GOD see you what HE saw in Abraham, a father who brings his children to follow Christ by keeping God's way.

Praise God, good article, Greg.


sermonindex Jan 11, 2007

I feel this message is also for "Many" of the saints. We get too busy for God and our time with Him is very little.

Truely about death to a relationship that the business can cause and Jesus says:

Look here! "I stand at the door and knock - If you hear Me calling and open the door - I will - come in and we will share a meal as friends. (relationship)

It can't get any better than that.

The trick of the enemy is to keep us to busy - to occupied with worldly things - Time to be like Mary and sit at His feet.

May we heed His call - Press In and put our focus on Christ.

God Bless, Lynn

This merchandising is called "cultural relevancy'...I wonder if we were trying to attract a tribe of cannabilistic headhunters to church how culturally relevant we could allow ourselves to become.

This is a correct word we have allowed the Church in our modern day North American lifestyle to be a god of "merchandising" and "commercialism". God will not be mocked for that a man sows he will also reap. The Church is going to "reap" what it has been sowing. I am reminded of that popular phrase: "If you try to win the world by being like the world the world will win you!" I believe it is close or is already happening where the world is winning over the church and the people of God are being trodden under the foot of men. We have nothing to offer the world when we comprmise and settle for what our busy, self-sufficient type of modern day Christianity affords us.

I would love to know of a better way

"My people are destroyed for [b]lack[/b] of knoweldge." This tradegy is wide-spread but thank God for the remnant of godly people that are living and raising children under the nurture and admonition of the Lord. I would encourage you to continue to seek God's "best" his "perfect" and do not settle for anything less. Press on, Christian soldiers!

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Forgiven1 Jul 4, 2007

I just finished reading Busy, strong and without God. Wow, how accurate. Thankyou again for this wonderful message, as it brought back memories of when my best times with the Lord were alone at home in worship and prayer. Yes agree there is something amiss in some Churches. I am reminded Of John 2 v16 when Jesus arrived in the Temple and to those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!" The dove represents the Holy Spirit, and you cannot put a price on Him or market Him He is not for sale, He is God's gift to us and to quide us, comfort us and restrain and teach us. My prayer would be to see Christ lifted up and God's will be done in the Church for His Glory. God bless.

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ArthurRosh Sep 23, 2012

"The Apostle James wrote this 2000 years ago and it is a fresh word for our generation may we take heed to it: “Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned into mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.” Surely also the older prophet word given by Joel needs to taken heed to also: “Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?”

sermonindex Jan 12, 2013

Stirring word brother Greg, thank you.

"Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He shall lift you up." This is what I need my dear brother: "That He shall lift me up." My sin is ever before me and I have sinned against the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, I have sinned against Him alone and done evil in His sight. Oh, that He would break me and bring me to the end of myself so that nothing remains of me, but only Christ living in me and revealed in me.

May the Lamb who was slain receive the reward of His suffering.

KM

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sherebyah Jan 13, 2013

I had hard time to talk to youth pastor in the church who told me that God has led him to have a pool party for the teenagers every week in the summer and throwing halloween party to gather more youngsters. And I am talking about the church and a denomination who boasts so much on being sound in doctrines.

I was so heart broken and cried out before God to open the eyes of this youth pastor. I asked him if he has ever read Leonard Ravenhill or A W Tozer for their lamentations over the carnality in the church and he told me that I am going into circles....!

I stopped sending my children to youth ministry where pastor knows nothing but pool party as a fellowship. We started teaching our children daily for about half hour before they go to bed.

I fully agree that we are living in a time where we need to be very alert sending our children to youth ministry. Not only the mega churches but the many of the churches who claim to be biblical also are drifting away....

May God have mercy upon us.

Sherebyah

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David01-72 Jan 13, 2013

The N.American Church, fighting for so many years against the world, holding on to the Word of God,intil the last days when the N.American Church thinking they are winning the battle, letting their guard down, the world tricking her that its running away acting like they gave up leaving this well made horse(full of worldly things inside this horse). American Church, taking the horse inside their property, not knowing how dangerous it is. Not knowing that the world is planning to destroy the Church secretly and it does. How? Why? Because the American Church had taking the worldly mixing it with the godly, thinking, its ok, its harmless, but to blind that the world had already conquered her. But theyre still a group that left from her, knowing that it was a bad idea to take this horse. And now had joined the true Church, with Christ our Bridegroom. Protecting us and warning us about these things. Still holding on to the Word of God!

God Bless
DavidC

sermonindex Jan 13, 2013

Amen David. I thought of these verses as I read your post: "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." May this testimony be a reality in our life: "But God forbid that I should glory, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world." "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."

KM

sermonindex Jan 13, 2013

my brother Greg,
i would say "that is a Good Word" , but even to say as such seems like just a religious platitude....its a NEEDED Word.....but in its forthtelling, its not "good"....not a "good" diagnosis.....a true one....so let me say this, That is a NEEDED DIAGNOSIS for the Body this very day.

i responded to something you posted about the "narcissitic" generation, and i believe i wrote about "weeping between the porch and the altar"....and then i read this conclusion you wrote:

Surely also the older prophet word given by Joel needs to taken heed to also: “Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?”

so i took all that was written, as a True Word....but all hope is NOT LOST....let me testify, i was in Luke this morning, the first 7 chapters, and for some reason, the LORD had me underlining two words, "in the wilderness" and "in the desolate places"....and what happpened in all this places was PRAYER....people think of the 'wilderness' or the "desolate places" as not good places, but i dont agree. These are good places, when all seems lost, or so garish, filled with distractions.

you and the Holy Ghost concluded:

Oh Church of God to our knees! J. Hudson Taylor’s advice to his missionaries was: "You must go forward on your knees." William Cowper said "Satan trembles when he sees the weakest saint upon his knees." The Church need to be found on its knees in our day, may we be found there when God comes.

brother Greg, saints, we have SO many established churches, buildings, and in them, men, who are "pastor". and you have a "board of elders"....and i dont speak ill of ANY of these ekklesia, but lets say the prayer meeting is not the center of that church...it would be rather difficult for one saint to come into any ALREADY ESTABLISHED church, and to implore the pastor, the elders by telling them in the Leading of the Lord, "travailing prayer is our only hope, its all we have left"...and then to expect them to suddenly exclaim, "YES!!! dear brother you speak well!!!...lets do that!!!"

like lighting "little candles" across a nation, why not by two and threes, where we are, configure a 'house of prayer'?....if you're in the city, it can a storefront, if you're in the country, it can be a barn, or a storefront in a town of 400 souls....or as He has been leading me, have my neighbor build a humble 20 by 20 house of prayer, simple, unadorned.......

houses of prayer.....no "party" spirit, sectarian spirit, or "man" led.....Beg Jesus to Pastor these meetings....travailing Holy Ghost prayer...Its our only Hope left, but Its more than ENOUGH!!! i know that, amen.

God bless your keyboard, you, your family and all the saints on this forum, neil

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sherebyah Jan 14, 2013

You are so right brother David......much prayer, fasting, weeping and agonizing is needed. May God raise the army of praying men and women to weep between porch and the altar.

In Christ
Sherebyah

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