Sorry Rahman Reuben but my spirit which coexists with the Holy Spirit is telling me that you have written a bunch of blasphemy! Jesus even said himself that false prophets like you would arise that TRY TO ADD AND DEDUCT FROM HIS WORD(Bible). You're trying to tell me that some secret books of Enoch were given to you and that God hid those books, give me a break. I have one word for you. REPENT!
I have a copy of the Anglican deuteronical book, The Apocrypha - which is included between the Old and New Testaments of the Catholic and Anglican Bibles. The reason they aren't included is because some of the early church fathers doubted they were "inspired"... but they included them in the Catholic Bibles because of their value as "Wisdom Literature". I've read the deuteronical books a few times - but they won't save my soul.
The "Book of Enoch" is not this kind of apocrypha.
The apocryphal "Book of Enoch" floating around the internet and bookstores today is a "gnostic" work. "Gnosis" means "knowledge" and the gnostics were a sort of mystery school that claimed true wisdom and real spirituality was passed down secretly through initiation rites.
You can spot (and avoid) gnostic "gospels" easily by recognising their "fish-hook" lie; that Jesus, Moses, Thomas, and even Enoch secretly taught "mysteries" to their "initiates" that the uninitiated, unwashed masses couldn't possibly understand. You know you're involved in a gnostic lie when:
(a) you can't make heads or tails of a supposed parable; WHEREAS JESUS EXPLAINED HIS PARABLES. CHRISTIANS DON'T HIDE LANTERNS UNDER BUSHELS AND NEITHER DID JESUS.
(b) spiritual truths are only available to the elite, wherein divine secrets are told in an ascending system of degrees; GOD IS NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS AND EVERYONE CAN BE SAVED
(c) overabundance of detail given to things of a spiritual nature (time, space, colour, number, smell, taste, feeling, hearing); THE PROPHETS SAY "WAS LIKE UNTO" AND "HE WHO READETH, LET HIM UNDERSTAND" WHEN DESCRIBING HARD-TO-DESCRIBE SPIRITUAL DETAILS
(d) you are coddled into thinking you're the chosen one (they love telling you you're going to be a messiah); THERE IS ONLY ONE SAVIOR AND TAKING ANY OTHER PATH LEADS TO DAMNATION
(e) someone "discovers" a secret tomb or scroll that "gives God, faith, and the Bible new meaning" or "enhances the Bible's meaning and purpose"; THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH MY GOD, MY SAVIOR, OR MY BIBLE. IT AIN'T BROKE.
Sorry about the all-caps folks >;')
Theosophists, Anthroposophists, and occultists (occult=hidden) of every stripe use this desception to lure the curious into their web. People read gnostic literatiure out of interest, get confused, walk into a "gnostic bookstore" or a "mason hall" to ask for enlightenment, the fellow he asks tells him about a club that meets once or twice a week... at a lodge, maybe... and he digs deeper and deeper into the "mysteries", and joins this "literary society" or that one... the next thing you know, that "curious cat" ends up in a cesspool of evil.
Hope this helps.
next time you want to read someone the Holy Ghost riot act, do it as a PM, a private message, I suggest that in meekness and love, neil
(later edit: Drei, I see what you were referencing vis-a-vis your rebuke....sigh...I love my brother Rahman, and I love the creative act of writing, but two words come to mind:
"thin ice"......nuff said)
Yea... I was a little taken aback by this myself. Not even sure what the issue was, but the tone of this response was not necessary.
Krispy
I think explainations on both sides of the issue could allow the situation to be judged righteously.
If someone is spreading heresy and false doctrine maybe the issue should be discussed. Or maybe when someone is spreading heresy and false doctrine it should never be rebuked because someone might get their feelings hurt.
Bottom line for me, where does God lead and what does Scripture say?... but again, what are the forum-discussion policies pertaining to this one?
Everyone has an opinion; although, some should learn to mind their own business.... carrying a cross is too painful for some.
richie
I dont disagree, surely. Heresies need to be pointed out and rebuked. But I think before we use a scatter gun on someone who has a pretty strong reputation on this forum, we should perhaps use a more surgical form of rebuke.
If the Book of Enoch was inspired scripture, and something that God wanted us to have and use as scripture, then He would have made sure that we would have it in our hands... just as He has preserved the rest of His Word to us.
I know some here do not see eye to eye with me on the Doctrine of Preservation, but I believe God preserved His Word entirely.
Thats not to say that the Book of Enoch is a bad writing, or there isnt any truth contained in it... I'm sure there is. But it is not God's Word. If it were, He would have preserved down thru the ages , and it wouldn’t be some “secret” book locked away from God’s people.
God does not keep Himself from those who seek Him.
Anyone who claims the Book of Enoch is the inspired Word of God is wrong. But I don’t think that public flogging is the way to correct a brother who is in error.
Krispy
Oh dear
Anyone who claims the Book of Enoch is the inspired Word of God is wrong.
If a person holds this view privately they are entitled to believe what they will, but if a person brings such a belief into the public forum he must be prepared to be challenged, for the public's sake.
KrispyKrittr wrote:
I dont disagree, surely. Heresies need to be pointed out and rebuked. But I think before we use a scatter gun on someone who has a pretty strong reputation on this forum, we should perhaps use a more surgical form of rebuke.
But I don’t think that public flogging is the way to correct a brother who is in error.
The Word of God that we have today is complete. God knows what His real Word is. He's preserved His Word for all these years. No one should add or take away from His Word.
22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19
You see, God knows what He's doing. He finished His Word in the last few scriptures of the last book of the Bible, Revelation. Let the Word answer your questions.
Also, when I first started on this site, a really nice person {enid} helped me out. My first post contained, I think, no scripture. It was simply my opinion. I made a big mistake by doing that. Only post what you can back with God's Word. No one can argue with the Word of Almighty God. It stands true forever.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Love ya'll in Jesus!
If a person holds this view privately they are entitled to believe what they will, but if a person brings such a belief into the public forum he must be prepared to be challenged, for the public's sake.
Absolutely, and I didnt say he shouldnt be challenged publicly. I just dont think that it should be done in the manner that it was... unless the offender continues on in there error.
I dont think we start out by screaming "Ichabod!".... and then stoning the person.
Krispy
No one can argue with the Word of Almighty God
...altho many try! lol
Welcome aboard! Blessings to you...
Krispy
brethren
i have asked this as have some others and nobody has yet to tackle it.
why is it then that in the Ethiopian Church and Eastern Churches that these books on which the called is based are canon scripture there? i know God was/is not ignorant of this so is it us who are missing out on something or is it that our brothers in the east are misled?
perhaps someone could explain this discrepancy?
to me the called doesn't go against scripture. perhaps someone could read it and point out where it does if it does?
Yeah, I made that statement. Many do try to argue with the Word of God. However, it always stands.
It's funny how us humans think we can outsmart God sometimes, isn't it? I've been there before. Sometimes we humans get so full of ourselves we can't see the truth.
It's like when satan thought he was more powerful than God and was thrown out of heaven. satan became full of pride and thought he could outsmart God. However, "Pride goeth before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18
People had better watch out. I try to warn them for love's sake. It's their choice to listen. It's their choice to submit to God. There's no sense in getting angry over it. God is in control and He will always be Almighty God. "God won't help those who won't help themselves." We just simply have to pray for them.
to me the called doesn't go against scripture. perhaps someone could read it and point out where it does if it does?
I havent read it. However, just because a writing doesnt contradict scripture doesnt mean it is inspired as the scripture is inspired.
"God won't help those who won't help themselves."
Hey! Thats my favorite scripture! ;-) [i](Tongue firmly planted in cheek)
Krispy
What saddens me is that many of you here on the forum automatically believe any new doctrine or idea you hear without even looking into it first. This guy comes along with his "new secret books" and everyone is already accepting every word he says. Satan comes in the form of an angel, I hope you know this. If God had other books out there, they would have been included with the 66 books in the Bible. Unless of course this man had ONLY a vision from the Holy Spirit. That's different, but he claims about other books which aren't included in the Bible. Okay Rahman, I apologize for being so rough on you to begin with. I've just heard of so many so called "lost gospels" and "lost books" that many people try to bring blasphemy to the name of the Lord. That's what has me concerned/
Enoch is quoted in Jude though...just a point
Hi DREi ...
Since this discussion is already taking place on ...
"THE CALLED" - by Rahman Reuben ... Chapters 1 to 3 ...
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=2289&forum=35&post_id=&refresh=Go
i'll not be dividing my responses between it and your new thread ... But i will post this my reply to you here ...
Blasphemy is serious ... Since you know me guilty of such please pray for me that our Lord will deliver me from such ...
(I DON'T SAY THIS FECISIOUSLY) ...
Blessings in Christ Jesus! ... :-D ---
wouldent you agree that many writen things outside the Bible is inspired?
by that i dont meen i want to make it canon.
but wouldent one say Martin Luthers writings was inspred? or John Wesleys? i could make the list long.... i belive they where all inspired by God but i dont want to make them canon,,, but they are good for reading and studying, so are some other books like the book of enoch, i havent read it myself but heard there is some very intresting things in there that can be "related" to what is in the bible,
im just saying there is much "inspired" writings,
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