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iansmith Feb 7, 2007

Hello friends,

Simply put, I was wondering which one you would prefer yourself and for what reasons. This could be for your children's education, Christian colleges vs. Public colleges etc.

I'm personally the product of public school, I attended public schools all my life, went to a public university and accepted Christ as a university student.

Now as I work for a Christian non-profit I am interacting with a lot of 'christian schools,' but I'm wondering whether christian schools (besides for training clergy) are even necessary.

sermonindex Feb 7, 2007

I would suggest [b]NEITHER[/b]. Today's Christian Schools have almost just as much of a worldy influence in it as the public schools. Sure, a Christian school gives a Christian world viewpoint in their curriculum. I'm speaking about the other students... and the influence they will have on your children.

I recommend [b]HOMESCHOOLING[/b].

Our oldest is 12 and has never set foot in a school building, and he and his 10 yr old brother both score 2 grades above where they would be if they were in public school on their yearly tests.

And before people claim homeschoolers dont get socialization... try keeping up with my wife for a week. I dare ya! The difference is, we [b]choose[/b] who our kids socialize with.

Krispy

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preacherafla Feb 7, 2007

Yeah Homeschool!!! We homeschool our girls and I would have it no other way. We give them biblical values and teaching. We develop a relationship that is often not seen in other students.
I once heard an evangelist that talked about homeschool as a training grounds to send their children out into the world as missionaries and that his children were homeschooled until they felt they were strong enough to stand on their own and then sent them into the school as a strong witness and missionary.
Yes, homeschool and teach them no compromise!

In His service,
Preacheraflame

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ccchhhrrriiisss Feb 7, 2007

Hi iansmith...

This is a difficult question. Why? Because the answer will vary from person to person in regard to personal experience.

There are many individuals worried about the influences of "the world" upon their children. They try to "save" their kids from such temptations by enrolling them in "spiritual" schools. Unfortunately, the devil is no respecter of institutions. He is just as active in "Christian" schools as he is in "secular" schools. Should children and young adults be sheltered from the world -- or strengthened so that they can walk through the world? Should they be protected so that they will be [u]unaffected[/u] by the world -- or should they be trained to [u]affect[/u] the world as they walk through it?

[b]Elementary and High Schools[/b]

I am not married yet, so I wouldn't even know how to answer about children. My sister has had experience with public schools, private schools, Christian schools and homeschooling. She was concerned with the secular humanism being taught in today's public schools (even in locations like Tennessee and Texas). She immediately enrolled her two little boys into a local Christian school. Unfortunately, this was a DISASTER!

The school (which used both Abeka and the terrible ACE curriculum) was extremely unprofessional, and the educational quality of the children suffered greatly. In fact, only one of the "teachers" actually held a college degree, and some actually were high school dropouts without a GED. The Christian school's standardized test (the very outdated California Achievement Test [CAT]) indicated that they were doing well. However, a more up-to-date test indicated that most of the children were falling far behind in their education. In fact, the high school graduates underperformed drastically on their ACTs and SATs. The average score on the ACT was a 15 (the national average is a 21) and their SAT scores were all extremely low.

My sister then began the process of finding private schools. She enrolled them in the best she could afford. While the quality of education was higher, she still worried about the curriculum and secular methodology of the school.

Eventually, my sister relocated. She enrolled her children in a couple of different Christian schools, but her experience was the same. So she decided to homeschool.

It didn't take my sister long before she realized that homeschooling is a challenge. She tried various curriculum, eventually deciding that Abeka was the strongest. However, she realized rather quickly that homeschooling requires dedication on the part of the parents AND the children. It can become "easy" to put things off. My sister then adopted her husband's nieces (making four total children). My sister found it difficult to "help" all of her children. While it was convenient and a great way to "watch over" her kids, my sister noticed that her children were beginning to lack social interaction. Yes, they fellowshipped with other homeschool children. However, my sister felt that she was placing her kids into a "bubble." She questioned whether or not such "protection" was healthy for their spiritual and intellectual growth. They were, however, performing well in academic areas.

Eventually, my sister decided to enroll the children into public schools. She worried that the physical seperation was not fulfilling any sort of spiritual mandate other than protecting her kids. She now feels that the best thing is to strengthen the kids spiritually, and allow them to be a light to the world. She explains to them that they will hear things, see things, and "learn" things that are contrary to the Word of God. However, she encourages them to seek the face of God on all of these issues -- and to never accept a teacher's word (or the word of a textbook) upon face value.

Her children are doing quite well.

[b]Colleges and Universities[/b]

It is my opinion that the school matters. An education taken at a Christian college or university is probably better geared for a spiritual education (like a ministerial license or denominational ordination). Should a Christian attend a Christian College in order to obtain a "secular" degree? Regardless of how optimistically a school attempts to persuade enrollment, the name of the school matters somewhat when attempting to find a job. I know of several individuals who graduated from a major denominational University with "secular" degrees and have experienced terrible difficulty finding a job in their discipline.

Unless the Christian school has a great academic reputation, I would recommend that a student attend a state or reputable institution. State universities and colleges are typically less expensive and offer financial aid that can cover most, if not all, of the cost. Many states (like Texas) offer automatic grants and scholarships and tuition rebates to academically-strong graduates of public schools. Texas has the "Texas Grant" which pays for much of the tuition and living expenses of public school graduates with a "B" average or higher. These schools are also accredited. This means quite a bit to potential employers.

I suppose that the first thing that a potential college student must do is to choose a major. They must decide upon what type of job or career that they desire -- remembering that some majors limit their ability to find desired employment. How many Theology, Pastoral Studies, or Youth Studies majors do you know with a career outside of the Church? Thus, the student should frugally investigate such matters. Many schools offer statistics of their graduates' employment.

Ultimately, the student should choose a school that will offer the best academic and educational value. While Christian schools seems like a great place to give your children "Christian" things to do and "Christian" friends, some of them are just as "secular" as state schools. Sadly, many of them are not know for their positive academic integrity. One particular Assembly of God school is known for the easy academic requirements of their students. Project and homework deadlines are easily extended, and good grades are "easy" to come by. As an undergrad, several fellow students transferred from that school. They were immediately ill-equipped to handle their courses.

Of course, this sort of discussion is certainly open to opinion. I suggest much study and prayer!

:-)

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deltadom Feb 8, 2007

I went to both Christian School and Public School.
I had a term at a public school. Even thou I was sceptical I learnt scipture which I didnt know what to do with but I know that i left me in good stead , but just because someone is in a christian school does not mean your children your safe from the dangers of the world.
I went to Public School aswell for a few terms but it got me to love my old school better but it is hard question.
DOm

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vico Feb 8, 2007

Amen Krispy!

I'm 18yrs old and I was homeschooled for... well my whole life actually! If given the choice, I wouldn't choose any differently! I thank God that my parents made the choice for homeschooling!

I don't think I would be where I am with God today if it weren't for my parents decision to teach me and my siblings at home.

BTW, if you think that it'll be too much work, talk to my mom, she's currently teaching 5 kids at home, three of us have already graduated (that means that she's been teaching for 16yrs) and the youngest just started school this year (that means she has another 12yrs to go)! God gives grace!

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Koinonia2 Feb 8, 2007

I experienced both Christian and public schools as a youth. My time in the public school system was the most demoralizing period of my life, and my spiritual life suffered greatly due to the over-exposure to anti-Christ teachings, conversations, gossip, friendships, relationships, etc. I say "anti-Christ" very carefully. Many today like to use the term "Godless" to portray the magnitude of the situation, but even that does not go far enough in expressing it.

Personally, I would never choose to send my children to any public school. It puts an unmerited burden on children to expect them to go into hell day in and day out and be a "light of the world" there. No Christian school will be perfect, but with a lot of prayer and due consideration, many provide a good alternative. When the time comes, though, I intend, by God's grace, to homeschool.

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Goldminer Feb 8, 2007

Both of my daughters went to Christian school from k - 12 grade. It was the best decision I ever made. The school they went to scored higher than the state on test scores. The teachers were committed to bringing up the children to love God. Their teachers even went to camp and every other function with them because it was more than a job to them. My girls told me they never knew anybody in school who did drugs. It wasn't a small school either.

At times my girls would say they would like to have seen what public school was like, but when my one daughter had my granddaughter reach school age, you guessed it, she didn't want her to go into public school and now she is in sixth grade in an excellent christian school.

I have never regretted for a moment sending them to a place where godly standards were upheld. Also we had to sign released forms stating that they could be spanked it needs be. We did that and were very greatful that discipline was an important part of their education. They were not allowed to get away with disrespect so grew up to be respectful.

I think homeschool can be just as awesome if the parents are disciplined themselves. I have run across a situation where the parents were lax with their childrens education and the kids could barely read.

I would not have put my children in the hands of educators who hand out condems and teach how to have safe sex, or about my two daddies. I have a teenage girl who works for me who was appalled at a book that she called filthy that she is required to read. Even the coaches in this part of the world cuss out their students. No thanks.

I don't put ungodliness in my own brain and I don't put it in my kids either. I know we can't protect them from everything, but it doesn't hurt to do our best. I know if we have to put them in public school because of financial or personal reasons we can committ them into God's keeping and cast all out care on Him. But for me if at all possible I would choose christian school again.

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iansmith Feb 8, 2007

Maybe it's because I was brought up through the public school system -but the way I look at it is that some of the 'Christian school' and 'homeschool' kids I've met over the years are some of the most flakey shallow Christians around. Granted, I've only met a few.

I think I've got a different experience having been involved in a campus ministry on a public university campus where like only 10% of the student body is Christian. When someone experiences God, you can see fireworks!

I don't know, maybe my view of Christian schools has been distorted by a few bad eggs.

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

I think homeschool can be just as awesome if the parents are disciplined themselves. I have run across a situation where the parents were lax with their childrens education and the kids could barely read.

This is true... not all homeschoolers are homeschooling for the right reasons. Not all homeschoolers are Christians. There are good and bad in anything.

But I have found (and there are about 500 homeschoolings families in the county we live in) that the bad ones make up [i]maybe[/i] 2% of homeschoolers. Most we know are extremely dedicated to their children, and the ones who are Christians are sold out to God.

Krispy

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

I don't know, maybe my view of Christian schools has been distorted by a few bad eggs.

I should say it is. You're generalizing while admitting that you havent known very many. Thats like buying a gallon of milk only to find out that it has gone bad, so you shoot every cow you see.

There are testimonies on this very site that attest to the success of homeschooling.

Those who are obedient to Psalm 1 will see the benefits of obeying God. His Word does not come back void.

One can not send their children to government schools for 8 - 10 hours a day to be indoctrinated in a god-less, anti-christ education... and counter it at home. It's a losing proposition.

Without over-generalizing, because I realize there are exceptions... Christian kids who attend public schools can sometimes turn out to be the most compromised believers.

Krispy

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5nva Feb 8, 2007

I agree with Krispy on this.

Sending your children to public school is like sending your children into a pack of wolves.

I know there are some children, usually teens that are solid in their Christian walk that can stand well in the public school but I would say very few.

I think if every Christian would really research and examine what the public schools teach and their agenda you would be hard pressed to come up with a reason not to homeschool.

Homeschoolers have a bad reputation because of the media and other people who don't understand the homeschool way.

We homeschool three and will do it for two more as they grow older. We love it and are very glad and thankful that we have the liberty to do it. Depending on where you live it may have more challanges but there are usually many people in every community to join together with for all kinds of activities.

I hope you find your answer.

Mike

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

ian,

I was educated in public schools my entire life, too. There is no doubt that that had a major influence on me concerning sex, drugs, alcohol, and everything else in between. However, by the grace of God, I was saved.

There are several ways you can look at your question. For me, I believe that God allowed me to have those experiences and survive, so that I can connect with others and have common ground to work from and help show them the way to Jesus.

In university, I met a lot of private school kids, which in your words 'were flakey' and I firmly believe that led them to rebel in areas that I did 10 years prior. They were isolated, or seperated from the 'real' world, so they did not know how to handle the pressures. By that time I was toning down, so I was more in control than they were.

As for Christian schools, I know very little, but since I am now Christian, when I have children I will deeply consider that route. On the other hand, I believe that allowing children in public schools will not necessarily, negitively impact them. I know many people who I went to school with that were not influenced by the same things as me. Attending a Christian school guarantees nothing.

No matter what school I choose for my children, it is my responsibility as a parent to be the voice of reason, until they learn the voice of Jesus.

As a child, I had to learn the hard way, because my parents, family, and friends never had any true values to base a relationship with me, which eventually allowed me to slip away. I will try my best not to let any of my children fall as far away from the truth that I did. No one did that for me. The only thing that will seperate me from my children is death.

(I know this is much easier said than done, since I have no children, but I guarantee that my child's first present from me will be a Bible. We will build on our relationship from there.)

Homeschooling is a good option as well, but like someone mentioned about having your children in a bubble, it does not seem like much of a free gift of life.

...I just talked to my fiancee on the phone and she initially said a Christian school would be best, but then we agreed that maybe a little bit of everything would be better...

infant to 7 - homeschooling
8 - 15 - Christian schooling
16 - 18 - public school
university - their choice (well, unless I was paying ;-) )

Anyway, like I said, I have no children, so I probably have no ground to stand on in this discussion. Although, diversity seems logical.

Thank God we have choices, as we know, some children get no schooling...ever...

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

Homeschooling is a good option as well, but like someone mentioned about having your children in a bubble, it does not seem like much of a free gift of life.

The only people who say homeschoolers live in a bubble are people who dont know any homeschoolers. No offense, Brian.

We have a homeschool support group in our county that has over 300 families in membership. We have "enrichment" classes for the kids on fridays where they can take specialized classes. Not math or english... but classes in Roman History, Spanish, Fencing, Music... classes that perhaps some parents cant teach. Neither my wife or I know Spanish, so our boys take a class in Spanish.

Our kids are also very involved in 4-H.

We also do sports. Our two oldest have played youth football for 4 years now. During the winter one of the plays basketball for the YMCA, and the other wrestles for a Christian wrestling club and they go to wrestling tournaments in NC, SC, TN, GA & VA. This year he placed 2nd at the Dixie Nationals in Atlanta over Christmas.

Not to mention their involvement in church.

Our homeschool association also has activities going on all the time. There will be a roller skating party on Valentine's Day. They do a Christmas musical and perform it at local retirement homes. On Veteran's Day they are involved in ceremonies at the VA hospital.

There are missions trips for the teens. The younger kids do work-bee's for elderly people in the community. Involvement in local politics.

In fact... I would say that homeschoolers, on average, are more socially active than public school kids who are locked away in a classroom all day.

Who's in a bubble??

Krispy

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007


The only people who say homeschoolers live in a bubble are people who dont know any homeschoolers. No offense, Brian.

Krispy,

None taken! Actually, I'm kinda wondering if you have any room at your house for me?! :roll:
It really sounds great and I will deeply consider that as well.

Truly though, I feel that somesort of diversity would be equally beneficial. Whether that is only one year of public and Christian school and the rest home schooling. The children would benefit to see something different.

Anyway, I am sure I will change my tune, once I have my own, but I do like what you have done with your children.

God Bless Education,
Brian

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

Anyway, I am sure I will change my tune, once I have my own

LOL... you bet it will!

I'm all for our children experiencing life. However, we have a lot of family that are not saved that insist we need to expose our children to "real life"... meaning worldliness, sin and debauchery. Steve Camp wrote a great song called "Shade For The Children" about how God wants parents to protect their children (who are really His to begin with) from the influences of the world.

If my sons grow up and never smoked pot (unlike me), have they missed anything? If they are virgins when they marry, have they missed anything?

We cant protect them forever. As they grow older we have to loosen the reigns and let them stand on their own. I understand that. But for as long as we can, my wife and I are determined to keep the pull of the world to a minimum. And it's not like they completely not exposed... they see the world in their football teammates. In football they here other kids cuss, they see parents throw fits at me (I coach), etc. At basketball the other night my son had his ball stolen.

They see enough of the world to know it's sick.

Krispy

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

Krispy,

Well, said! I think I just realized that part of me is defending public school, because I came from there and to admit that it is a horrible place to raise children, I would have to fully admit that I was horribly taught and raised. That is very humbling, but I accept the truth.

iansmith, originally posted this thread with the intentions of seeking some insight and thoughts as to what is better (public vs. Christian school), because I believe he wants the best for his (God's) children out of love.

I, too, would love whatever is best for all of God's children and if there was a way that you or I could provide that for them, then I am sure that we would. The best thing is to acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses in the circumstances that are presented to each family.

Not everyone has they same opportunity, nor the same information to base a qualified decision. A good conclusion has all the facts, although most families are limited with the physical and spiritual resources, so children ultimately suffer.

God Help Us ALL Raise Your Children,
BrianMira

P.S. I just wonder how my fiancee is going to handle homeschooling our 12 children!!! :-? :-P

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

In fact... I would say that homeschoolers, on average, are more socially active than public school kids who are locked away in a classroom all day.

That's for sure! If anything there is the temptation to get so caught up in extra-curricular activities so as to let the more important stuff go!
I am a homeschool graduate; never went to public or Christian school. I actually got my GED when I was 16...but that didn't mean that I stopped learning; I love studying and am continuing my education with an online Bible school.

There have been some really good things said on this thread in regards to education (Krispy, I [i]love[/i] hearing you defend homeschooling; you are so good!) Parents have a choice as to what influences they allow into their children's lives. They are responsible for that influence. Your children will have friends and they will be influenced; but what environment is going to be the best for raising your children for the glory of God?
I like what Michael Pearl says about this. He says not to isolate your children but to [i]insulate[/i] them.
I think there is more freedom in homeschooling for ministry opportunities. Because of homeschooling I was able to be more involved in nursing home ministry, street evangelism, volunteering at ministries like Voice of the Martyrs, just helping a needy family, and the list goes on...
With homeschooling the classroom isn't limited to the schoolbooks/classroom. One learns about politics/government by actually getting involved with a campaign, or lobbying at the capital on a certain bill. It allows greater creativity. I have a little sister who when she was about eight or nine built this tree house with a swing contraption on a pulley. We called it a 'suicide [edit]slope[edit]'. Yes, it was crazy, but she was being creative. Oh, and no, no one was seriously injured on it...just a [edit]twisted[edit] arm (that was the end of the pulley!).
I have to recommend homeschooling over public or Christian school. But it does take dedication on the part of the parents, and it's not easy. But there are some great resources out there to help make it easier.

And for college, one might consider accelerated distance learning. I know of one guy who got his degree in business in less than six months and for around $5,000. And he also wrote a book about it and now has a [url=http://www.globallearningstrategies.org/default.php]website[/url].

Well, there's my two-bits on the matter. :-P

P.S. Brian, are you and your fiance planning to live in S. Korea after you're married? There is an increase of homeschooling families in S. Korea, which means more resources.

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

Krispy, I love hearing you defend homeschooling; you are so good!

Oooo... I hate to be called a "defender", cuz to me, there is nothing to defend. I prefer "Homeschool Apologist"! LOL

:-)

Krispy

sermonindex Feb 8, 2007

"Homeschool Apologist"!

Oh, that's even better! :-P

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