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Father/husband.... how to be one?

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hmmhmm Feb 15, 2007

I'm right now in a study of how to be a godly Father and husband.

Ive written down some questions i want answers to from the bible, I'm looking for verses to meditate and pray about. I know there are many and i have many finds already, but its always good to get others peoples thoughts and views and "tips" on things.

some of the questions i want answers to is.

1. What is a Fathers/husbands responsibilities?

2. What is a Fathers/husbands purpose?

3. what is the Fathers/husbands roll in the family?

4. how should his relationship be toward the family ? the world? congregation?

5. what is a fathers/husbands duties?

6. what does God command fathers/husbands to do/be like?

7. what should a father/husbands not do/be like?

please feel free to add some questions and please give some scriptures and so on, any help is much appreciated

Christian

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hmmhmm Feb 15, 2007

just some more thoughts...

Ephesians 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

this word "nourisheth" meens we should nourish our wifes as Jesus nourish us, that is simple to understand, but then i look at other bible verses where i read about how the lord "nourish" his people....

Isaiah 40:11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

and

Ezekiel 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. 15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.

and also

ezekiel 34:27 And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.

its just strikes me im far far far from the husband i should be,

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vasilef Feb 15, 2007

1. What is a Fathers/husbands responsibilities?

I'm thinking about being a godly husband, too.
How to love my wife? What does it mean?
I just look at Jesus and see what He has done or what He is doing.

One thing He is doing now is to intercede for us before our heavenly Father.
This is our responsibility, too. We have to pray for our wives all the time.

It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Romans8:34

Another thought... Our Lord, Jesus Christ lives in our heart by His Spirit. The Spirit of Christ is very kind... whenever we are wrong He doesn't crush us... but He speaks in our heart, He tries to convince us if we are on a wrong path.

Are we like His Spirit?
Do we raise our voice and yell at our wives when we see something wrong? We have to speak the truth but in love!

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart Matthew 11:29

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5nva Feb 15, 2007

I'm sure there are many more qualified men on here than myslef, but I have been a father and husband for nearly 20 years now. I have been a Christian for about half of that so I oly have 10 years of learning under my belt.

What I have learned and am learning more and more every day is to be gentle and patient. Always admit when you are wrong and have sinned. Allow your wife to be your helpmate and consider her opinions.

I suggest that every husband and wife read the book called The Christian Family by Larry Christenson. You can find several copies on ebay. David Wilkerson spoke highly of it. My wife and I have read it and intend to read it more.

God bless,
Mike

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InTheLight Feb 15, 2007

You may find these sermons from Denny Kenaston helpful

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=7314]The Godly Home - The Heart of the father Must Turn[/url]

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=7319]The Godly Home - Father the Anointed Teacher[/url]

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=7326]The Godly Home - Where Are the Men?[/url]

Actually you and your wife may want to listen to the whole Godly Home series (28 sermons in all), they have been a blessing to me.

In Christ,

Ron

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hmmhmm Feb 15, 2007

I have them on my computer :-) , but fist i want to "dive in" into the word of God for my self, read , pray ,re-read pray, ponder , meditate... look for more passages, write down my thoughts.. then i go listen to a sermon...do it all over again... :-P

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InTheLight Feb 15, 2007

I have them on my computer , but fist i want to "dive in" into the word of God for my self, read , pray ,re-read pray, ponder , meditate... look for more passages, write down my thoughts.. then i go listen to a sermon...do it all over again...

Outstanding! You may find this helpful in your studies, this is from Torrey's topical textbook entry on parents...

[b]Parents[/b]

Receive their children from God
Gen_33:5; 1Sa_1:27; Psa_127:3;

THEIR DUTY TO THEIR CHILDREN IS
To love them
Tit_2:4;

To bring them to Christ
Mat_19:13; Mat_19:14;

To train them up for God
Pro_22:6; Eph_6:4;

To instruct them in God's word
Deu_4:9; Deu_11:19; Isa_38:19;

To tell them of God's judgments
Joe_1:3;

To tell them of the miraculous works of God
Exo_10:2; Psa_78:4;

To command them to obey God
Deu_32:46; 1Ch_28:9;

To bless them
Gen_48:15; Heb_11:20;

To pity them
Psa_103:13;

To provide for them
Job_42:15; 2Co_12:14; 1Ti_5:8;

To rule them
1Ti_3:4; 1Ti_3:12;

To correct them
Pro_13:24; Pro_19:18; Pro_23:13; Pro_29:17; Heb_12:7;

Not to provoke them
Eph_6:4; Col_3:21;

Not to make unholy connections for them
Gen_24:1-4; Gen_28:1; Gen_28:2;

Wicked children, a cause of grief to
Pro_10:1; Pro_17:25;

SHOULD PRAY FOR THEIR CHILDREN
For their spiritual welfare
Gen_17:18; 1Ch_29:19;

When in temptation
Job_1:5;

When in sickness
2Sa_12:16; Mar_5:23; Joh_4:46; Joh_4:49;

When Faithful
Are blessed by their children
Pro_31:28;

Leave a blessing to their children
Psa_112:2; Pro_11:21; Isa_65:23;

Sins of, visited on their children
Exo_20:5; Isa_14:20; Lam_5:7;

Negligence of, sorely punished
1Sa_3:13;

WHEN WICKED
Instruct their children in evil
Jer_9:14; 1Pe_1:18;

Set a bad example to their children
Eze_20:18; Amo_2:4;

Good - Exemplified
Abraham
Gen_18:19;

Jacob
Gen_44:20; Gen_44:30;

Joseph
Gen_48:13-20;

Mother of Moses
Exo_2:2; Exo_2:3;

Manoah
Jdg_13:8;

Hannah
1Sa_1:28;

David
2Sa_18:5; 2Sa_18:33;

Shunammite
2Ki_4:19; 2Ki_4:20;

Job
Job_1:5;

Mother of Lemuel
Pro_31:1;

Nobleman
Joh_4:49;

Lois and Eunice
2Ti_1:5;

Bad - Exemplified
Mother of Micah
Jdg_17:3;

Eli
1Sa_3:13;

Saul
1Sa_20:33;

Athaliah
2Ch_22:3;

Manasseh
2Ch_33:6;

Herodias
Mar_6:24;


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hmmhmm Feb 15, 2007

thanks alot! those really helped

i found thease to

Marriage

Divinely instituted — Ge 2:24.

A covenant relationship — Mal 2:4.

Designed for
The happiness of man. — Ge 2:18.

Increasing the human population. — Ge 1:28; 9:1.

Raising up godly seed. — Mal 2:15.

Preventing fornication. — 1Co 7:2.

The expectation of the promised seed of the woman an incentive to, in the early age — Ge 3:15;
4:1.

Lawful in all — 1Co 7:2,28; 1Ti 5:14.

Honourable for all — Heb 13:4.

Should be only in the Lord — 1Co 7:39.

Expressed by
Joining together. — Mt 19:6.


Making affinity. — 1Ki 3:1.

Taking to wife. — Ex 2:1.

Giving daughters to sons, and sons to daughters. — De 7:3; Ezr 9:12.

Indissoluble during the joint lives of the parties — Mt 19:6; Ro 7:2,3; 1Co 7:39.

Early introduction of polygamy — Ge 4:19.

Contracted in patriarchal age with near relations — Ge 20:12; 24:24; 28:2.

Often contracted by parents for children — Ge 24:49-51; 34:6,8.

Should be with consent of parents — Ge 28:8; Jdj 14:2,3.

Consent of the parties necessary to — Ge 24:57,58; 1Sa 18:20; 25:41.

Parents might refuse to give their children in — Ex 22:17; De 7:3.

The Jews
Forbidden to contract, with their near relations. — Le 18:6.

Forbidden to contract with idolaters. — De 7:3,4; Jos 23:12; Ezr 9:11,12.

Often contracted with foreigners. — 1Ki 11:1; Ne 13:23.

Sometimes guilty of polygamy. — 1Ki 11:1,3.

Careful in contracting for their children. — Ge 24:2,3; 28:1,2.

Betrothed themselves some time before. — De 20:7; Jdj 14:5,7,8; Mt 1:18.

Contracted when young. — Pr 2:17; Joe 1:8.
Often contracted, in their own tribe. — Ex 2:1; Nu 36:6-13; Lu 1:5,27.

Obliged to contract with a brother’s wife who died without seed. — De 25:5; Mt 22:24.

Considered being debarred from, a reproach. — Isa 4:1.

Considered being debarred from, a cause of grief. — Jdj 11:38.

Often punished by being debarred from. — Jer 7:34; 16:9; 25:10.

Were allowed divorce from, because of hardness of their hearts. — De 24:1; Mt 19:7,8.

Exempted from going to war immediately after. — De 20:7.

Priest not to contract, with divorced or improper persons — Le 21:7.

The high priest not to contract, with a widow or a divorced or profane person — Le 21:14.

Contracted at the gate and before witnesses — Ru 4:1,10,11.

Modes of demanding women in — Ge 24:3,4; 34:6,8; 1Sa 25:39,40.

Elder daughters usually given in, before the younger — Ge 29:26.

A dowry given to the woman’s parents before — Ge 29:18; 34:12; 1Sa 18:27,28; Ho 3:2.

Celebrated
With great rejoicing. — Jer 33:11; Joh 3:29.

With feasting. — Ge 29:22; Jdj 14:10; Mt 22:2,3; Joh 2:1-10.

For seven days. — Jdj 14:12.

A benediction pronounced after — Ge 24:60; Ru 4:11,12.

The bride
Received presents before. — Ge 24:53.

Given a handmaid at. — Ge 24:59; 29:24,29.

Adorned with jewels for. — Isa 49:18; 61:10.

Gorgeously apparelled. — Ps 45:13,14.

Attended by bridesmaids. — Ps 45:9.

Stood on the right of bridegroom. — Ps 45:9.

Called to forget her father’s house. — Ps 45:10.

The bridegroom
Adorned with ornaments. — Isa 61:10.

Attended by many friends. — Jdj 14:11; Joh 3:29.

Presented with gifts. — Ps 45:12.

Crowned with garlands. — Song 3:11.

Rejoiced over the bride. — Isa 62:5.

Returned with the bride to his house at night. — Mt 25:1-6.

Garments provided for guests at — Mt 22:12.

Infidelity of those contracted in, punished as if married — De 22:23,24; Mt 1:19.

Illustrative of
God’s union with the Jewish nation. — Isa 54:5; Jer 3:14; Ho 2:19,20.

Christ’s union with his church. — Eph 5:23,24,32.

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Christinyou Feb 15, 2007

How can man sin no more?

God took the only way, by placing Himself in the Person of Jesus Christ in the believer. He tried it many ways, Adam was completely innocent, that did not work, God tried by mans own conscience to choose for himself, that did not work, He tried government, that did not work and still doesn't, He allowed man every avenue to please Him, and do what is right, none of them worked, He even tried Law, that only made it worse, it killed the whole of creation.

God has now done the only thing He could do to redeem man and the whole world. He made a man who was God at the same time and by the shedding of His blood, the remission of sin was capable of being accomplished. Now there is only one thing we can do to receive the forgiveness of sin, that is to believe God.

Then to continue the salvation of His created beings, He decided to give those that believe the only chance they would have, that is birthing That Man, also Being God Himself, Jesus Christ in each of those that would believe what He has done and that this Man, Jesus Christ who was God and Man would be the only hope each believer would ever have to become pleasing to God. He in giving each one that would believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, this Son born again in each believer would become sons and daughters themselves.

Now we in this flesh who have been quickened by the Spirit of God and Christ Jesus Himself, we being new creatures have the capacity to be what God created us to be, that is a Christ Person, a Christ-one, a Christian. Husbands can now learn how to love their wives by the Christ that is in them. Fathers can learn to love their children by the Christ that is in them. We can learn to love each other by the Christ that is in them. Jesus Christ is the only "Hope of Glory", we have in this world.

If we want to be betters Husbands and Fathers and lovers of each other, we must seek the only One that is capable of accomplishing it. That is "Christ in you the Hope of Glory". "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and He will direct your path", even in our stumbling He will never let us down.

Husbands, love your wife the same way Jesus Christ loves us and gave Himself for us and is now our life. Let us all fall on our knees before our families and church and seek Him and let all know we are God's family and we will learn to be loving and giving as God Our Father Loves us and Gave His Son for us. "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things will be added unto you".

We don't need more ways of learning how to love our families, we need more of Him and we will become to them what He is to them and the whole world will see the love in God as displayed before the world in the Glory of God in us.

In Christ: Phillip

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hmmhmm Feb 15, 2007


Christinyou wrote:


We don't need more ways of learning how to love our families, we need more of Him and we will become to them what He is to them and the whole world will see the love in God as displayed before the world in the Glory of God in us.

In Christ: Phillip

thats the truth brother,

but i do need to learn what God have said about raising children, and to my chock Ive found that most things we do is wrong according to Gods word, or what i do is wrong. My thinking my acting my whole way of life is so influenced by the western culture and way of thinking, even thou I'm saved I'm still have much of that left, God is dealing what those issues in my life and I'm starting to see what he says about raising a child..and to my discovery it is as far away from what most people say about raising children...even what Christians say about raising children

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InTheLight Feb 15, 2007

I am encouraged and challenged by your earnestness and persistent effort in searching God's word for His will concerning your relationships in the home and also seeking the wisdom of other saints in the matter. God will surely reward such efforts. Keep at it brother!

In Christ,

Ron

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Christinyou Feb 15, 2007

His ways are never our ways. How are you to be a husband. Are you to be ruler in your family. God has proved in His Son that won't work. The Law did not work. As a father are you to be dispenser of punishment? God Has proved in His Son that won't work. It is Him we need more of and we will be in His ways not ours.

Man does not have the answers. Only Christ is the answer. Seek and you will find. This is how Paul sought to make his responsibility to what God had given Him, the Church the body of Christ. 2 Corinthians 12:13-15 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong. Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved.

Are you willing to be spent for your wife and children and church?

Everything we do is in the realm of who we are in Christ. If we don't look for His ways we will be always asking what can I do to be a better husband, father, brother or sister.

Ask and you will receive. Seek and you will find. Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Jhn 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.

Jhn 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

You want to be a Godly Husband, Ask.

Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

As you have said, be patient, we learned a lot of junk in this world. It will take line upon line and precept upon precept to become what we ask. If we ask amiss, the Holy Spirit knows the heart and will intervene. What an adventure we are on. Praise God He will not let us down.

In Christ: Phillip

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hmmhmm Feb 19, 2007

Duties of Parents


Richard Baxter


Ungodly parents are the greatest servants of the devil in all the world, and the bloodiest enemies to their children's souls! More souls are damned by ungodly parents, than by all other instruments!

1. Understand and lament the corrupted and miserable state of your children, which they have derived from you.

2. Train them up in exact OBEDIENCE to yourselves—and break them of their own wills. The common course of parents is to please their children so long, by letting them have what they crave, and what they desire, until their wills are so used to be fulfilled, that they cannot endure to have them denied; and so can endure no government, because they endure no crossing of their wills.

To be obedient, is to renounce their own wills, and be ruled by their parents' wills. To allow them therefore to have their own wills, is to teach them disobedience, and harden and train them to a kind of impossibility of obeying. Tell them often and lovingly of the excellency of obedience, and how it pleases God, and what need they have of government, and how unfit they are to govern themselves, and how dangerous it is to children to have their own wills. Speak often with great disgrace of self-willedness and stubbornness—and teach them what has befallen self-willed children.

3. In all your speeches of God, and of the holy Scripture, or the life to come, or of any holy duty—speak always with gravity, seriousness, and REVERENCE—as of the most great and solemn and most sacred things. For before children come to have any distinct understanding of particulars, it is a hopeful beginning to have their hearts possessed with a general reverence and high esteem of holy matters. For this will continually awe their consciences, and help their judgments, and settle them against prejudice and profane contempt, and be as a seed of holiness in them. For the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, Psalm 111:10; Proverbs 9:10; 1:7. The very manner of the parents' speech and demeanor, expressing great reverence to the things of God, has a very great power to leave the similar impression on a child. Most children of godly parents, who later became pious, can tell you this by experience—that from early childhood they learned to reverence holy things—which the speech and demeanor of their parents taught them.

4. Let it be the principal part of your care and labor in all their education, to make HOLINESS appear to them the most necessary, honorable, gainful, pleasant, delightful, amiable state of life; and to keep them from apprehending it either as needless, dishonorable, hurtful, or uncomfortable. Especially draw them to the love of it—by representing it as lovely. The whole skill of parents for the pious education of their children, consists in this—to make them conceive of holiness as the most amiable and desirable life—by representing it to them in words and practice—not only as most necessary, but also as most profitable, honorable, and delightful. "Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace." Proverbs 3:17.

5. Speak often to them of the brutish baseness and sinfulness of FLESH-PLEASING SENSUALITY; and of the greater excellency of the pleasures of the mind, which consist in wisdom, and in doing good. Your chief care must be to save them from flesh-pleasing; which is not only in general the sum of all iniquity—but that which in particular, children are most prone to. For their flesh and sense are very lively—and they lack not only faith, but clear reason to resist it. And so (besides their natural depravity) the custom of obeying sense (which is in strength) without reason (which is in childhood is almost useless) does much increase this pernicious sin. And therefore continually labor to imprint in their minds an odious dislike of a flesh pleasing life. Speak bitterly to them against gluttony, and drunkenness, and excess of amusements.

6. To this end, and also for the health of their bodies, keep a strict guard upon their APPETITES (which they are not able to guard themselves). Keep them as exactly as you can to the rules of reason, both in the quantity and quality of their food. Yet tell them the reason of your restraint, or else they will secretly strive the more to break their bounds. Most parents are guilty of the great hurt and danger of their children's health and souls, by pleasing and glutting them with food and drink. If I should call them devils and murderers to their own children, they would think I spoke too harshly. They destroy their souls by accustoming them to be ruled by their appetites; which later in life, all the teaching in the world will hardly ever overcome, without the special grace of God. What is all the vice and villainy in the world, but the pleasing of the desires of the flesh? And when they are habituated to this, they are rooted in their sin and misery.

7. For sports and RECREATIONS, let them be such, and so much—as may be needful to their health and cheerfulness. But not so much as may carry away their minds from better things, and draw them away from their books or other duties; nor such as may tempt them to gaming or covetousness. Children must have convenient sport for the health of the body and alacrity of the mind. Such recreations which exercise their bodies, is best. Cards and dice, and such idle games, are every way most unfit, as tending to hurt both body and mind. Their time also must be limited them, that their play may not be more important than their work. As soon as they have the use of any reason and speech, they should be taught some better things, and not left until they are five or six years of age, to do nothing—thus acquiring the habit of wasting all their time in play. Children are very early capable of learning something which may prepare them for more useful things.

8. Use all your wisdom and diligence to root out the sin of PRIDE. And to that end, do not (as is usual with foolish parents) please them by telling them how wonderful they are. But train them to humility and plainness, and speak disgracefully of pride and conceit—to breed an averseness to it in their minds. Cause them to learn such texts of Scripture as speak of God's abhorring and resisting the proud—and of his loving and honoring the humble. When they see other children who are greedy for worldly things, speak of this as their shame—that your children may not desire to be like them. Speak against boasting, and every other way of pride which they are liable to. And yet give them the praise for all that is noble—for that is but their due encouragement.

9. Speak to them disgracefully of the extravagance, and pomp, and riches of the WORLD, and of the sin of selfishness and covetousness; and diligently watch against it, and all that may tempt them to it. When they see great houses, and extravagance, and luxury—tell them that these are the devil's baits, to entice poor sinners to love this world, that they may lose their souls, and the world to come. Tell them how much heaven excels all this; and that the lovers of the world can never go there; but only the humble, and meek, and poor in spirit enter heaven. Tell them of the rich glutton in Luke 16, who was thus clothed in purple and silk, and feasted sumptuously every day; but when he came to hell, could not get a drop of water to cool his tongue; when Lazarus was in the joys of paradise.

Do not do as the wicked do—who entice their children to worldliness and covetousness, by giving them all that they desire, and by speaking highly of all who are rich and great in worldly things. But tell them how much happier a poor believer is; and withdraw all that may tempt their minds to covetousness. All this will be little enough to cure this pernicious sin.

10. Keep them as much as may be from EVIL COMPANY, especially from ungodly play-fellows. This is one of the greatest dangers for the undoing of children in the world. Especially when they are sent to common schools—for there is scarcely any of those schools so good, but has many crude and ungodly ill-taught children in it; who will speak profanely, and filthily, and make their ribald and railing speeches a matter of boasting; besides fighting, and gaming and scorning, and neglecting their lessons. And they will make a scorn of him who will not do as they, if not beat and abuse him.

And there is such tinder in nature for these sparks to flame upon, that most children—when they hear others take God's name in vain, or sing lewd songs, or talk filthy words, or call one another by reproachful names—do quickly imitate them. And even when you have watched over your children at home as closely as you can, they are infected abroad with such beastly vices, as they are hardly ever after cured of.

Therefore let those who are able, either educate their children most at home, or in private and well ordered schools; and those who cannot do so, must be the more exceeding watchful over them, and charge them to associate with the best. Speak to your children of the odiousness of these practices, and the wickedness of those who use them; and speak very disgracefully of such ungodly children. And when all is done, it is a great mercy of God, if they are not undone by the force of the contagion, notwithstanding all your antidotes!

Those therefore who venture their children into profane schools and company—to learn the fashions and customs of the world, upon the pretense that otherwise they will be ignorant of the course of the world, and ill-bred—may think of themselves and their own reasonings as well as they please. But for my part, I would rather make my son a chimney-sweeper, than be guilty of doing so much to sell or betray him to the devil!

11. Teach your children to know the preciousness of TIME, and allow them not to misspend an hour. Be often speaking to them how precious a thing time is, and how short man's life is, and how great his work, and how our endless life of joy or misery depends on this little time. Speak odiously to them of the sin of those who play and idle away their time. Keep account of all their hours, and allow them not to lose any by excess of sleep, or excess of play, or any other way; but engage them still in some employment that is worthy of their time.

Train up your children in a life of diligence and labor, and do not accustom them to ease and idleness when they are young. Many children are taught no calling, nor exercised in any employment, but only such as is fit for nothing but ornament and recreation at the best. Recreation should have but a small proportion of their time. So that by the sin of their parents, many are early engaged in a life of idleness, which afterward is almost impossible for them to overcome. They are taught to live like swine or vermin—which live only to live, and do small good in the world by living. They rise, and dress, and adorn themselves, and go to dinner, and thence to cards or dice, or chat and idle talk, or some play, or idle visit, or recreation; and so to supper, and to chat again, and then to bed. This is the lamentable life of too many who have great obligations to God.

12. Let your own EXAMPLE teach your children that holiness, and heavenliness, and blamelessness of tongue and life—which you desire for them to learn and practice. The example of parents is most powerful with children, both for good and evil. If they see that you live in the fear of God, it will do much to persuade them, that it is the most necessary and excellent course of life, and that they must do so too. But if they see you live a carnal, indulgent, and worldly life—it will greatly embolden them to imitate you. If you speak ever so well to them, they will sooner believe your bad lives, than your good words.

13. Let them perceive that you dearly LOVE them, and that all your commands, restraints, and corrections are for their good, and not merely because you will have it so. If they perceive that you dearly love them, they will obey you the more willingly, and the easier be brought to repent of their disobedience. And they will as well obey you in heart as in outward actions; and behind your back as before your face. And their love for you (which must be caused by your love to them) must be one of the chief means to bring them to the love of all that good which you commend to them; and so to form their wills sincerely to the will of God, and make them holy.

If you are too cold to them, and too harsh, they will only fear you, and not much love you; and then they will love no books, no practices, which you commend to them. Nay, it will tempt them to loathe your government, and all that good which you persuade them to, and make them like birds in a cage, which watch for an opportunity to get away and get their liberty. They will be the more in the company of evil and idle children, because your terror and coldness makes them take no delight in your company. And fear will make them liars—as often as a lie seems necessary to their escape.

Parents who show much love to their children, may safely show severity when they commit a fault. For then they will see, that it is their fault alone, which displeases you, and not their persons; and your love reconciles them to you when they are corrected. Correction from parents who are always cold or angry, and show no tender love to their children—will alienate them, and do no good. Tender love, with severity only when they sin—is the only way to do them good.

If God denies you children, and saves you all this care and labor; do not repine, but be thankful, believing it is best for you. Remember what a deal of duty, and pains, and heart's grief He has freed you from, and how few children become godly—even when parents have done their best. Remember what a life of misery children must here pass through, and how sad the fear of their sin and damnation would have been to you.

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RobertW Feb 19, 2007

its just strikes me im far far far from the husband i should be,

So long as we are willing to allow God to change us. that is the key. To have a willingness to let God do a work in us that may radically alter the way we do things and look at things. I agree with you. And I believe we have much yet to learn. Thanks for sharing this study.

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