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What in the world is going on?

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MrBillPro Feb 16, 2007

What in the world is going on? it seems like "every time" I turn on a Christian radio or TV station some minister or someone related to their ministry is asking for money. I just turned a Christian radio ministry and the guy was telling folks the reason you are not Blessed because your not giving and yes following it up by all the hand picked scriptures to back him up, man by the time he was finished I felt like calling him up and asking him if maybe he feels he wasn't really called to the ministry.

Then all the condemnation they try and put us under, it's not only bad it's getting ridiculous and it's sad I almost feel like laughing at some of them, I am serious "lately" it seems like it's become a world wide disease afflicting only ministries. It's got to be for only a very few reasons these ministries are like this 1. their not managing Gods money correctly, 2. Greed. 3. many folks leaving their Church, and probably you could name a few more.

I am getting to the point that if this keeps up I am about ready just to Grab my Bible and shut out all ministers period and Home Church myself and my family I am literally sick of it, it's almost abusive to the mind, why don't they all just learn to minister to the hurting folks? after all a Church is a hospital for the hurting and if their doing their job properly, they won't have to worry about the money.

I personally believe God will provide whatever needs any ministry needs if they were really called and they are feeding the sheep and not trying to feed themselves so much, man as you can tell I am upset about this, but I guess my final straw was I get in my truck to go to work looking to be lifted up in scripture and now arrive at work feeling under condemnation man give me a break! :-(

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hmmhmm Feb 16, 2007

well we should be givers...but be sure what you give to is gods will...he will hold you accountable the day of judgment whit what you did whit your money that he lends to you wile you walked here on earth...

and another thing..if people have to beg for money.... i don't think its Gods work they are doing...at least they didn't ask him...

George muller didn't ask anyone for one single dime... i know Paul washer runs his heart cry missionary organization in a similar way..ask God for money...if you don't get it , its probably not Gods will...


thats my thoughts

sermonindex Feb 16, 2007

I make it a point not to give to any TV or radio ministers... no matter how much I agree with their teachings... which isnt very often. Most TV preachers are heretics in the worst order.

This is just my own preference. I'm not telling anyone here not to give to them.

I just believe that my giving is better used in ministries that are actually out there where the rubber meets the road. Prison ministries, Christian relief organizations, missionary friends of mine, etc...

These hustlers you see on TV who masquerade as "preachers", and beg for money all the time are a sham. They twist the Bible beyond recognition in an effort to seperate you from your (actually God's) money. "Seed Faith", garbage like that. It's all designed to make you poor and them rich.

Krispy

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MrBillPro Feb 16, 2007


KrispyKrittr wrote:

These hustlers you see on TV who masquerade as "preachers", and beg for money all the time are a sham. They twist the Bible beyond recognition in an effort to separate you from your (actually God's) money. "Seed Faith", garbage like that. It's all designed to make you poor and them rich.

Krispy

And as bad as I hate to have to agree with something like that Krispy, I agree with you totally, these ministers are giving the "good" Churches a bad rap, because I know there are still some really good God fearing small neighborhood Churches, I have one just right around the corner from my home a buddy of mine attends and he says he has never heard his pastor ask for money, or even preach on tithing the short time he has attended there so they are out there.

Some of the responsibility has to lie on TBN, they push these Pastors and back them like they are Jesus Christ themselves and get them to push there smaller ministries into larger ones by giving them airtime like a commercial on TBN then when they do get big they give back to TBN I see it plain as day. There is a guy on TBN "won't name names" that when I first saw him I bet he had a Church of 200 folks and now he has been on TBN for probably 4 to 5 years he now has a Church of many thousands go figure.

sermonindex Feb 16, 2007

Brother BillPro,

I totally concur with your post. You along with Krispy, sum up exactly my view and feelings on this matter.

Wanted to add that one day flipping through channels landed on TBN and was so stunned and shocked at what i heard Paul Crouch say. Paul Crouch leaned over looking directly into the camera and said:

I know there are some of you out their that have been praying for maybe 20 years now for your healing and have not been healed yet, and i believe it's because you haven't given to this ministry.

Brother Julian

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BenWilliams Feb 16, 2007

To MrBillPro


Did you know, that only about 2% of Christians tithe or give on a regular basis?

Did you know that if every church in america would adopt one family below the poverty line, there would be one church for every family in america?

But these people don't have churches, why? Because Christians are not giving at all.

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MrBillPro Feb 16, 2007


BenWilliams wrote:
To MrBillPro


Did you know, that only about 2% of Christians tithe or give on a regular basis?

Did you know that if every church in america would adopt one family below the poverty line, there would be one church for every family in america?

But these people don't have churches, why? Because Christians are not giving at all.

Yea, and if you read all the previous posts on this thread I wonder why. :-(

sermonindex Feb 16, 2007

you asked in your thread headline:

What in the world is going on?

the world.

thats whats going on.

But I know that you know that this is the case.

But hidden, out of glare of self-agrrandizement, there are saints labouring in the Namne of Jesus, and I know that you know that too.

God bless you dear father, neil

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Compton Feb 16, 2007

Edit: After thinking about this issue...it seems simple enough to agree that you give to where you se the need and according to any leading or convictions you may feel. In the end if you think your resources are better used helping financially struggling people or funding missions work then it is being spent on a new costly building then it seems the choice is clear.

MC

sermonindex Feb 16, 2007

I am getting to the point that if this keeps up I am about ready just to Grab my Bible and shut out all ministers period and Home Church myself and my family
Sounds like a good plan!!
In regards to tithing, DON'T!! If you can't give cheerfully, than don't. If you give being stingey, God will be stingey to you. If you give cheerfully, God will open the windows of heaven.

Ministries that are called of God, struggle much. Especially if they are standing for the truth of God's word. But everyone thinks they are standing on Gods word, so what I mean when I say 'truth' I mean standing for issues that are not popular. For example, the Cross, Dying to self, Holiness etc..

So don't be quick to judge a ministry based upon that minister begging for support. He may have the ability to preach the word, save souls, do the work of the ministry, but his faith in paying the bills is low. Because he knows his message is not popular and also he knows that certain people don't like him.

Then there are those prosperity ministers like Robert Tilton, who beg for money, but show very little or no fruit of their ministry saving souls or what have you. So you have to be careful who you hear and what your hearing.

sermonindex Feb 16, 2007

[b] [color=000066]I think the Lord's answer to those who abuse their position by such emotional blackmail is in Ezekiel 34 Of course, it was spoken to Israel but is also relevant to the Church[/color]

[i] 1 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say to them, even to the shepherds, Thus says the Lord GOD: Ho, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding yourselves! Should not shepherds feed the sheep? 3 You eat the fat, you clothe yourselves with the wool, you slaughter the fatlings; but you do not feed the sheep. 4 The weak you have not strengthened, the sick you have not healed, the crippled you have not bound up, the strayed you have not brought back, the lost you have not sought, and with force and harshness you have ruled them. 5 So they were scattered, because there was no shepherd; and they became food for all the wild beasts. 6 My sheep were scattered, they wandered over all the mountains and on every high hill; my sheep were scattered over all the face of the earth, with none to search or seek for them.
7 “Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: 8 As I live, says the Lord GOD, because my sheep have become a prey, and my sheep have become food for all the wild beasts, since there was no shepherd; and because my shepherds have not searched for my sheep, but the shepherds have fed themselves, and have not fed my sheep; 9 therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: 10 Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my sheep at their hand, and put a stop to their feeding the sheep; no longer shall the shepherds feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouths, that they may not be food for them.
11 “For thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I, I myself will search for my sheep, and will seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness. 13 And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the fountains, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14 I will feed them with good pasture, and upon the mountain heights of Israel shall be their pasture; there they shall lie down in good grazing land, and on fat pasture they shall feed on the mountains of Israel. 15 I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I will make them lie down, says the Lord GOD. 16 I will seek the lost, and I will bring back the strayed, and I will bind up the crippled, and I will strengthen the weak, and the fat and the strong I will watch over; I will feed them in justice.
17 “As for you, my flock, thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I judge between sheep and sheep, rams and he-goats. 18 Is it not enough for you to feed on the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the rest of your pasture; and to drink of clear water, that you must foul the rest with your feet? 19 And must my sheep eat what you have trodden with your feet, and drink what you have fouled with your feet?
20 “Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD to them: Behold, I, I myself will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. 21 Because you push with side and shoulder, and thrust at all the weak with your horns, till you have scattered them abroad, 22 I will save my flock, they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23 And I will set up over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he shall feed them: he shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the Lord, will be their God, and my servant David shall be prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.[/i]
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Jeannette[/b][/color]

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MrBillPro Feb 16, 2007


Compliments wrote:
I am getting to the point that if this keeps up I am about ready just to Grab my Bible and shut out all ministers period and Home Church myself and my family
Sounds like a good plan!!
In regards to tithing, DON'T!! If you can't give cheerfully, than don't. If you give being stingey, God will be stingey to you.

Well, I know that was not directed at me, because I can give you Ministers and Friends and Family, phone numbers that will tell you that Bill is probably one of the most biggest and cheerful givers you could possibly ever meet.

My original post had nothing to do me personally, just how today's Pastors have built their Churches and their private homes out of money, and now have resorted to blaming the congregations and Christians for not tithing and if this is the case God can bring down that ministry as fast as he built it, so you better be building your Church on "The Solid Rock" of Jesus Christ and not self.

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MrBillPro Feb 16, 2007


Compliments wrote:

So don't be quick to judge a ministry based upon that minister begging for support. He may have the ability to preach the word, save souls, do the work of the ministry, but his faith in paying the bills is low. Because he knows his message is not popular and also he knows that certain people don't like him.

I have never personally encountered a Church like that in my 55 years, everyone that I have personally witnessed like that are doing just fine.

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ChrisJD Feb 16, 2007

Hi everyone.

MC,


...charged with maximizing 42 acres...I thought who is going to pay for all that construction!?

In Revolution in World Missions, K.P Yohannan relates how a friend of his here in the States once pointed out to him a Church building that cost...are you ready....

$74 million.

Right.

That's 74,000,000 dollars.

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MrBillPro Feb 16, 2007


ChrisJD wrote:

In Revolution in World Missions, K.P Yohannan relates how a friend of his here in the States once pointed out to him a Church building that cost...are you ready....

$74 million.

Right.

That's 74,000,000 dollars.

Must be more than 2% of Christians tithing or giving on a regular basis at that Church. :-)

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Compton Feb 17, 2007

I'm sorry Chris JD, that I edited my post right when you must've been grabbing a quote out of it...lately I've been trying to be sensitive how I discuss these contradictory times we live in. Occasionaly I need to pull some weeds;-) from my attitude.

Blessings,

MC

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