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DIEDTOSELF Feb 17, 2007

Mother and father have been divorced for almost 20 years. Dad remarried and still living for the devil. Mom may be considering it all of a sudden, she is living for the Lord. My question is would this be o.k. scripturally to remarry if my dad is still alive? This has troubled me the last few days because mom wants me to meet this guy she has been seeing. In the last 20 years this is a first time she has actually been interested in somebody enough to want me to meet them. Any advice?

Brother Craig

sermonindex Feb 17, 2007

Any advice?

just wait, you're gonna get reams of it, probably over a 100 posts.

God bless you and both your mother and father.

sermonindex Feb 18, 2007


DIEDTOSELF wrote:
Mother and father have been divorced for almost 20 years. Dad remarried and still living for the devil. Mom may be considering it all of a sudden, she is living for the Lord. My question is would this be o.k. scripturally to remarry if my dad is still alive? This has troubled me the last few days because mom wants me to meet this guy she has been seeing. In the last 20 years this is a first time she has actually been interested in somebody enough to want me to meet them. Any advice?

Brother Craig

[b]I recommended this book on another thread: "God is a Matchmaker" by Derek Prince. Did you know his second marriage (his first wife died)was to a divorcee?

He deals specifically, in one part of the book, with remarriage when one is divorced.

Matthew 19:9 is maybe the definitive verse on the subject of a divorcee remarrying "And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery" The same would be true of course of a woman. The innocent partner, who has not been unfaithful, is free to remarry.

And of course, if a divorced person has remarried and then become a Christian afterwards, the Lord won't hold it against them.

Is this man a believer? If not then I would have far more doubts about the rightness of this relationship than the fact of divorce. What of his own marriage status?

May the Lord show all of you His clear direction in this matter. I think you would be safe to leave the whole situation with Him. Ask the Lord to prevent this remarriage if it is not of Him. Or if it is of Him that you will be able to accept it and give them both your blessing.

I'm sure many here will be praying for you, your mother and the man she is dating.


Jeannette
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tjservant Feb 18, 2007

I believe this is a very good teaching on this subject.

[url=http://www.shepherdserve.org/dmm/dmm_13.htm]Divorce and Remarriage[/url]


God Bless

TJ

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pastorfrin Feb 18, 2007

Bro. Craig,

Why not try prayer, the Word, and the Holy Spirit
as teacher, which He was sent to do. I do not say
this lightly or in a non caring spirit.

Asking man for advice is just that, the opinion of man. This is to important an issue to depend
on mans opinion.
Ask the Lord, He will not lead you astray.

Praying with you,

pastorfrin

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ginnyrose Feb 18, 2007

Interestingly, you are having some doubts about the rightness of this...can you imagine why this is so?

Blessings,
ginnyrose

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HomeFree89 Feb 19, 2007

Not saying this to be a smart aleck, but how about just reading the Bible? It all has to go back to God's Word.

Jordan

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tjservant Feb 19, 2007

I’m sure Paul pointed Timothy to the scriptures when he had questions, but I also think he gave his advice and help as well.

Just my 2 cents

TJ

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BenWilliams Feb 19, 2007

I believe the scriptures are perfectly clear that if someone is to remarry while their spouse is still alive, it is adultery. Whether they are a Christian or not, it is still sin.

You have only to read the scriptures and it will tell you the same thing.

You see, God does not view marriage as the world does.

The world views marriage as the contract that was signed. Easily burned or rewritten, no harm done.

God views marriage as happening from the point of intimacy onward. It is a spiritual and physical bond between a man and a woman. It is only done away with by death.

Paul gives very good advice concerning these things.

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lastblast Feb 19, 2007

I believe the scriptures are perfectly clear that if someone is to remarry while their spouse is still alive, it is adultery. Whether they are a Christian or not, it is still sin.

I agree, Ben.

sermonindex Feb 19, 2007


lastblast wrote:
I believe the scriptures are perfectly clear that if someone is to remarry while their spouse is still alive, it is adultery. Whether they are a Christian or not, it is still sin.

I agree, Ben.


[b]But what about the exception in Matthew 19:9?

Probably the bottom line is that its between your mother and the Lord. If she is wrong in thinking to remarry then He will have to show her. Express your concerns by all means but if she isn't receptive than leave it - trying to convince by argument only causes resistance and bad feeling.

Let go your concerns to the Lord, and let Him sort it all out. Pray for her and leave it with Him.

Easier said than done but the only way to find peace about it.

Yes the answer is in the Scriptures, but we have different interpretations here, which can't be much help!

I have found it helpful to ask HIM to speak directly from His Word, rather than rummaging around in different interpretations of what seem to be the relevant passages.

You may be surprised at what comes. (Quite often He gives me a Scripture that seems at first to have no bearing on a problem) But it will be the right Word for you in your situation. Ask Him to speak to your heart. No doctrinal discussions can do that.

In Him

Jeannette[/b]

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BenWilliams Feb 19, 2007

But what about the exception in Matthew 19:9?

The only exception in Matthew 19:9 is that if the other person commits adultery during the relationship, then you are free to divorce them and marry another.

However, Jesus makes it plain that divorce was not God's way in Matthew 19:6, and again in 19:8

Jesus is teaching His disciples that it would be better not to marry, than to marry.

Which is the same thing Paul says in Corinthians.

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DIEDTOSELF Feb 19, 2007


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Interestingly, you are having some doubts about the rightness of this...can you imagine why this is so?

Blessings,
ginnyrose

Thanks, Ginnyrose. Enough said. I will search the Word for further convictions.

Craig

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Sentry Feb 19, 2007

All of these opinions and suggestions...WOW!

What are you to do...or think?

I strongly suggest prayer....talking to God about it...and not just "talking" but listening.

We so often don't listen to His voice.

I wish I had the one answer for you.

My best suggestion...TALK TO GOD...AND LISTEN.

Forget all of us.

Mark

sermonindex Feb 19, 2007

First off... if your mom hasn't asked your advice, meet the guy and keep your mouth shut.

Secondly, if she is now saved and your dad isnt, and he is remarried, then I believe she is free. If she's been saved since the divorce, and he is remarried than I believe scripture teaches that she should ask his forgiveness for her part in the marriage going bad... but she is not obligated to him. She is a new creature. All things are past away, behold, all things are made new.

If she was saved before the divorce (which you indicate she was not) then is all depends on why they got divorced. Paul said if the unsaved person wants to stay, let them. If they want to go, let them. The believer is no longer bound to them. But you indicate such was not the case, so it is a moot point.

Not sure why you are so concerned about your mom's relationship. She is a big girl, and capable of living her life. This is going to sound harsh, but don't be what the Bible calls a "busy-body". You cant make your mom live for God anymore than you can make someone get saved. If she hasn't asked for your advice [b]don't give it[/b]!

I'm sure you have enough going on in your life. :-) I know I do. I don't worry too much about telling people what they should or should not do... unless they ask me.

Krispy

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DIEDTOSELF Feb 19, 2007

If she was saved before the divorce (which you indicate she was not) then is all depends on why they got divorced. Paul said if the unsaved person wants to stay, let them. If they want to go, let them. The believer is no longer bound to them. But you indicate such was not the case, so it is a moot point.

Krispy,
She was a christian before the divorce. That is how the Lord is leading me, like you say, she is no longer bound to him since he left her. And for everybody else Dad did commit adultry while still married to my mom.
Craig

sermonindex Feb 19, 2007

ok... so what is the issue here? Be happy for her.

Krispy

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lastblast Feb 19, 2007

First off... if your mom hasn't asked your advice, meet the guy and keep your mouth shut.

Wow, Krispy. You know I like ya, but that is real harsh. Are you saying that we should STIFLE a possible conviction that may in fact be from the LORD, just to keep peace? That doesn't sound like you at all in regards to other "doctrinal" issues........

;-)

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lastblast Feb 19, 2007

But what about the exception in Matthew 19:9?
Probably the bottom line is that its between your mother and the Lord. If she is wrong in thinking to remarry then He will have to show her. Express your concerns by all means but if she isn't receptive than leave it - trying to convince by argument only causes resistance and bad feeling.

I dont' believe Mt. 19:9 is permission to remarry. I believe the disciple's reaction is evidence of Jesus' strictness concerning the use of marriage. I believe Jesus and Paul both taught that marriage (covenant marriage) is for life, whether one marries an unbeliever, believer, etc.

Rom. 7:2-3 and I Cor. 7:39 make is very clear that those who interpret Mt. 19:9 as allowing for a remarriage while having a living spouse are in essence saying it is ok with the Lord to commit adultery. Paul was very clear in Rom. 7:2-3, though it wasn't an indepth teaching, that adultery does NOT dissolve the marital bond, only death does. When a covenant spouse dies, THEN one is free to be joined with another. If it happens before that time, they WILL BE CALLED an adulteress/adulterer (the adultery being on ongoing sin). Because Paul reaffirmed this truth in I Cor. 7:39, Rom. 7:2-3 does not stand alone nor leave open the door for varying interpretations, in my opinion.

Ps..wanted to add, I agree with you about voicing one's concerns and what to do afterwards. I'm not quite sure how being "silent" and never speaking one's convictions is a biblical thing to do if one's convictions are truly something the Lord has given.

My mom knows my beliefs on this and is ok with them. She also knows that I could never attend a wedding if she so chose to marry again, nor would I be able to look upon that union as "blessed" of God and not as an adulterous union..........because of how I view the scriptures. With that said, I know I can't MAKE someone see as I do. If what I believe is truth, and someone really desires to know Truth, it will ultimately be the Holy Spirit that opens one's eyes up---just as He did for me on this topic. He may send "messengers" along the way, but the messengers do not have the power to MAKE one see. All each of us can do is share what we believe with others and then leave the revelation of truth that changes lives to the Lord.

:-)

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rodge Mar 15, 2007

It is, i think, very easy to prove that adultery does not end the marriage bond. Consider Lu 16.18. A man divorces his innocent wife to marry his secretary. Jesus says that sex within this second marriage is adultery. So Jesus says plainly that adultery is now occurring. The modern teaching is that this ends the marriage bond so the woman is free to remarry. But Jesus says that if the innocent women remarries she also is guilty of adultery. Obviously the marriage bond is still in place otherwise it couldn't be adultery.

The same logic can be used in Mt 5 and Mt 19. So we have our 'three witnesses' if you will.

A person's salvation state has nothing to do with marriage, divorce and remarriage. Does God join non-Christians together when they are married? If He does then they are bound for life. If He doesn't then non-Christian marriages are just legalised fornication. And so they would need to get remarried when they get saved. Marriage is not a Christian institution. It is a heavenly institution that will last forever. We humans simply have to abide by the rules of the eternal institution. The consequences seem incredible severe if we get this wrong. Adulterers do not inherit the kingdom of God. I dont know where it places those who have been remarried while the previous spouse lives. But I would have to be a little nervous given Jesus teaching that sex in a second marriage is adultery.

This article describes it very well.
[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14367&post_id=120626&order=1&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=35#120626]John Piper postion paper.[/url]

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