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" WHY SHOULD WE AS CHRISTIANS - FEAR GOD " ??

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sonofthunder Feb 22, 2007

What is the correct understanding of the fear of the Lord ??

And to what purpose and benefit is their ... in this " fearing of the Lord" ?

Do you then go through life cringing - knowing any or every wrong move - would then result in the big baseball bat coming from heaven and squatting us down into pro-verbial oblivion.

Is that how it works - and is that what scripture is seeking to promote and convey to us ?

"Jesus master" said it well when he conveyed these words " fear not them after they have killed the body have no more they can do, but rather fear him - "who" - after he has killed hath the power to cast both body and soul into hell fire. { yea fear him } !!

Proverbs tells a man this: the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom ~~ so then it would be fair to conclude that if a man doesn't then fear God - then buddy your not even off first base yet.
( and you don't even know which way is up )

But why fear him ?? aren't we admonished to rather love him and adore him ~~ so how do these two emotions then co-exist ? and work together unto our good ?

Think of parenthood then - and how a child loves his mum and dad... but yet the same child who loves them - if he is a wise child - will also fear that same parental authority in the home. And fear the rod of dis-approval ... and all of the ensuing consequences that follow with that of - behaving badly.

Now the child loves his parents ... but the fear aspect in the relationship also serves to remind him or her that if they dis-obey ... then the rod of correction is of surety on the way. And for their own benefit -and- that of the father's pleasure ~~ the discipline and the chastening will result in restoring peace and harmony to the family home again - and thus driving out that foolishness.

Therefore brethren knowing the evil in the world and the "body of sin" - seeks to (serve sin) being faced with temptation, wiles, schemes, and the devices of the devil ~~ we see then how the fear of the Lord - is their both to protect and to preserve ... Working unto our own good. !

Some reasons why we do fear the Lord

** Fear forsaking him and serving other gods (who are no gods at all )
** fear falling captive slave to sin again
** fear his discipline & his corrective Rod
** fear lest a promise being left to us - some of us should seem to come short of it.
** fear because "if the word spoken by angels was stedfast and every act of disobedience and trangression recieved a just recompense of reward - how then shall we esacpe if we neglect so great salvation ??
** We should fear him because (even because) sin is so very deceitful and hardens the heart of man like nothing else can !
** Brethren we should have his dread on our faces knowing that under no circumstances will anything that defiles or worketh abomination be permitted access or gain entrance into The New Jerusalem.
** We should fear "ultimate rejection" and that of ultimate (lock-out) failing and falling short of the grace of God. Even as Esau -- who for one lousy morsel of meat sold his entire birthright ( thus despising the inheritance - thereby )

The fear of God is indeed a healthy thing brethren

This fear though it hath not torment- should in no wise be taken lightly or easily pushed to oneside -- not forgeting and remembering these words from that of Hebrews " knowing therefore the Terror of the Lord we persuade men"

And when paul had reasoned with Felix of righteousness, temperance and of Judgement to come ( felix trembled ) and said go thy way for now and i will get back to you at a more convienient season.

Apperently Felix though didn't quite fear and tremble enough - at least not to the point of instant repentance and conversion.

Judgement to come ... is plenty good reason to have (his dread) on our faces - that we sin not.

Scriptures teach that these "two heart felt emotions" work similtaneously and in perfect unison ... and thus co-exist for our good - and our well being - and unto our everlasting benefit(Glory)

And all this with-out paradox, anomoly, or contradiction to boot !!

Jesus himself taught the "fear of the Lord" ( and he( Jesus ) was heard - in that [he feared] - and so we see Jesus himself setting the ultimate example... in that he himself walked in reverance to that of - the father. !!

And knowing that the heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked -- our creator knows what is best for us ...and so to nurture this thing of reverence brethren and this thing of dread -- working out our own salvation with both fear and trembling - is to be the person ... who is indeed wise.

And is going to be by virtue of what he nurtures and practices - that someone who rests safely and securely under the everlasting arms. !!!

(A good and nice feeling indeed ) !!!

Be blessed in him ....saints
S.O.F

sermonindex Feb 22, 2007

"[Putting God first] is the beginning of wisdom"
(emphasis mine)

This fear is not the same as fear of something bad is going to happen to you. Rather it is a deep Reverence for God.

When Jesus spoke of fearing God who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell, He was referring to a different type of fear, fear and dread.

God doesn't want us to be shaking in our shoes, else how shall we come into the throne room of grace with boldness?

If you are afraid of someone, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO KNOW THEM. Fear hath torment, however, perfect love casteth out fear.

For example; I was afraid of my father, I would not approach him because I was scared what he would do to me. So I would hide from him everytime he called for me. I was no different than Adam when God called for Adam. Adam hid because he was afraid of what God would do to him.

But now that we have peace with God thru our LORD Jesus Christ we can come boldly into the presense of God and petition our need. But many a Christian do not come to God, because of this dread that He is ready to club them for some sin that they have committed.

For years I would not come to God because I saw him as my earthly father, ready to shoot me down. One night I began to call Him my Father, and ever since that night I have seen Him differently than I did before. I see Him as my true Father, one who truly loves me and wants the best for me. God is not like my earthly father who speaks condemnation to his children saying, "Your stupid, and you'll not amount to anything". God is not that way, He encourages the lowely heart and raises it to new levels in Him. He's never in a hurry to get things done, and He reveals Himself when we fall into sin and ask for forgiveness. That is a great mystery to me, that just boggles my understanding of who He is.

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PassingThru Feb 23, 2007

Adding to what Compliments wrote :-

According to the Webster the word "fear" has various meanings:-

1 archaic : FRIGHTEN
2 archaic : to feel fear in (oneself)
3 : to have a reverential awe of
4 : to be afraid of : expect with alarm

Different words in the original languages have been translated into the word "fear" in English :-

[color=0000CC]Psa 119:38 Establish thy word unto thy servant, who is devoted to thy fear(3374).
Psa 119:39 Turn away my reproach which I fear(3025): for thy judgments are good.[/color]

I think the passage means :-

[color=0000CC]Psa 119:38 Establish thy word unto thy servant, who is devoted to thy [/color][color=CC0000]reverence with awe[/color][color=0000CC].
Psa 119:39 Turn away my reproach which I[/color][color=CC0000] am afraid of[/color][color=0000CC]: for thy judgments are good.[/color]


PassingThru

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sonofthunder Feb 23, 2007

Not to be contrary for contrary's sake

But i totally dis-agree - the more you fear God

The less likely you are to trifle with sin/s ...or to see how close one can come to the border-line of sin ... without actually commiting the act of iniquity.

The writer of Hebrews (probably paul) got a glimpse of this awesome nature of the God we serve

And to borrow your own phrase ( was blown away )

Earthly fathers as stated in Hebs 12 chasten us for their own pleasure, but he for our own profit, that we "might" be partaker of his holiness ( no emphasis added ) in relation to the word "might"

As you reflect on your own life - the times when you gave into sin and went after sin (knowingly)was going to be a time when you didn't fear the consequences of commiting iniquity !!

Knowing full well this " the wages of sin is death

Knowing full well this " the end of those things is death "

Knowing full well this " that sin when it is finished ... bringeth forth death "

And as previously articulated in the (op) i con-curred that this fear doth not have torment
and To the which - we both agree !!

No one can water down or diminish the fact that Hebrews chapter four clearly states Jesus was heard in prayer ( in that he...also feared )

Im sorry your own father beat you down with condemning words ( truly i am ) however i draw my preaching and my parallels from that of hebrews twelve .... and the witness of God is always greater than the witness of men.

And i concur with the words of Romans chapter three - when in doubt or confusion seeks to muddle the waters or rear it's head, then step back everybody and hearken to this .......

Let God be true ....and every man a liar !!

The scriptures don't lie and my policy is - to let them do the talking ( my emphasis added )

Have a nice day
thnx for your comments :-)

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roadsign Feb 23, 2007

The fear of God is indeed a healthy thing brethren

Amen to this, SOF!

By the way, I think you've picked a great topic to explore. Of course, the best source of undestanding is the word itself, along with enlightenment of the Spirit. It's so much better than learning merely second hand.It looks like you have already discovered some valid points through your own study.


Speaking about "hand-me-downs" , I'll pass on the result of my own study on the topic (For what it's worth):

[url=http://www.thewayback.net/articles/FEARINGGOD/title.htm]Developing the Fear of the Lord [/url]

May God bless you in your search.

"In the counsel of the holy ones,
God is greatly FEARED."
[Ps. 89:7]

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sonofthunder Feb 26, 2007

Thanks for the encouraging words roadsign

Not that i would appear approved, but it's always good to recieve words that ratify and confirm !

The world has a saying of late " less is more "

But with regards to the fear of God - to the contrary " more is less "

Meaning the more you fear your creator ... the less liklihood of dis-obedience !

Ive known the severe chastening of the Lord, and it is not joyous ( trust me on that score ) but the rather it is grevious.

But afterwards ( if you submit to the chastening that is ) it yieldeth forth the peacable fruits of righteousness - unto them that are exercised thereby.

No less isn't more ( beware of enticing words ) as paul said - in fact because of these things the wrath of God ( even now ) is coming upon the children of dis-obedience.

Let us therefore serve God acceptably with reverence and Godly fear !

For our God is a ... CONSUMING FIRE

Having therefore these promises dearly beloved - let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and of the spirit - [PERFECTING] holiness in the FEAR of God.

and this i wish also - even your PERFECTION

AMEN AND AMEN

may Grace, peace, and love be multiplied unto all
in him
s.o.f

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kerrylou Mar 15, 2007

Just one comment:

The fear of the Lord is clean; enduring forever...

More to be desired than gold, yea, much fine gold. Sweeter also than honey and the honey comb.

Psalm 19: 9(first part) & 10.

It is better to be afraid of God and live than to despise God and die.

Kerry

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rookie Mar 15, 2007

Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

As the word grows in one so does His presence.

In Christ
jeff

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taco Mar 15, 2007

may Grace, peace, and love be multiplied unto all
in him
s.o.f

What does s.o.f stand for?

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sonofthunder Mar 17, 2007

Ahhh....

Alais the namesake ( son of thunder )

:-(

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UniqueWebRev Mar 19, 2007



This fear is not the same as fear of something bad is going to happen to you. Rather it is a deep Reverence for God.

When Jesus spoke of fearing God who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell, He was referring to a different type of fear, fear and dread.

God doesn't want us to be shaking in our shoes, else how shall we come into the throne room of grace with boldness?

If you are afraid of someone, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO KNOW THEM. Fear hath torment, however, perfect love casteth out fear.


Amen and Amen!

I do hate the mistranslation of the word fear, when it is 'reverential trust'.

Blessings,

U
UniqueWebRev Mar 19, 2007

Nay, rather that revering the Most High is sweeter to me, yea sweeter than honey to my mouth. And to lean on Him, and trust in Him, is all my desire, for in Him I am satisfied.

Blessings,

S
sonofthunder Mar 21, 2007

NAY RATHER: HAVE YOU NEVER READ THIS FROM HEBREWS

Let us serve God acceptably with reverence and Godly fear. ( Hebrews chapter twelve )

The author of Hebrews ~~ clearly and definitively seperating both [reverence] from - that of [Godly fear] !! Their similiar [true] but both are taught !

Moses was indeed right: That his FEAR

Might be on our faces - that we ( sin not )

The word of faith teachers years ago at their renowned believers conventions ~~ always use to water this down in a like manner. ( and how )?

By substituting the word "reverence" for "fear" in "most" of their sermons.

And well now -- look at their fruits

Many of them in [non] returnable and not - reversible heresy

Due to their stubborn and obstinate spirit.

Like the fathers of old - did- so do they ~~ ( that is the false teachers and the like ~~ heretics etc )

Always resisting the holy ghost, uncircumcised in both ears and in heart ( ye stiff necked )

:-? :-?

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