I am so sick of the easy-believism that is so prevailant in American Christianity!

Is this the same sermon listed under him as "Shocking message that has offended many?"

Either way, incredible message.

Sean

Wow. Just wow. Boldness like the disciples and apostles of the Bible. Thanks for the link, that was powerful. Dear God, do what you need to do with me to keep me on that narrow path. I submit my will to You entirely, for You and Your grace can keep me on that path.

Mia and Bailey, Dugan, Buddy & Agnes the beagles.

Am downloading the 'shocking message', which on my speed, takes a while. If it's shocking, it must be to the point, and the reason we are all here. Thank's for the download site!

Blessings,

we need more of this, i discovered that everything people have a problem obeying or just don't like the call it pharisee or legalism or overly spiritual. Just my experience...and its such a blessing to hear men like Paul Washer, men who preach all of Gods word, i just listened to that Erlo Stegen sermon again for the third time , enemy of the cross.... most professing Christians walk as enemies of the cross... and if the message of the cross is foolishness to you.... that is a bad sign. People so often see it as burden to give up wordily lusts and entertainments... its such a blessing that we can be free from these things and instead of that go and behold his face, Ravenhill said it, A.W pink said he didn't believe even 2% of people inside of the church was born again, that was in the days before TV! how far worse of are we now.... God help us.... we so far far away from where we should be only he can help us

brother if you go back just a few verses paul says this

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

isn't that to judge? maybe we shouldn't rip scripture out of its context brother.... it can be dangerous, we have to get all the scripture together and compare them

of course brother, i just mean Paul didn't write chapter 1 and then chapter 2, he wrote one letter and to me what he says in chapter 1 is the must judgmental statement one can make... in my opinion. S when he speaks about judging or not in chap 2 , either he is a hypocrite... or he means something else... I'm not quite sure myself, but when someone murders another person, we say he is a murderer...is that to judge? of course but it is a right judgment.

Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

so is it possible, that when we judge we should judge from what the bible says, i agree if we judge by our own views that is wrong, or our own feelings and so on. thats my take on it,

another popular verse people speak about in this matter is

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

but later in that very same chapter he tells us to judge false prophets

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

that must also be an awful thing what judgment to judge someone as to be a false prophet a false teacher! if i say that to someone i say in other words you are not from God and what you teach is from the devil, thats heavy...

just my view on this matter, maybe we should go into a separate thread whit this matter? and let this thread be what it was intended to be? looking forward to discuss in love Brother :-)

it is possible for me to be wrong, its a freedom to know that sometimes :-)

what do you think?

Hi everyone.

I don't know brothers and sisters, but I wonder if there isn't something about our observations and declarations of things called Modern Christianity that [i]can be[/i] in danger of drifitng into, well,

[i]grumbling[/i] even if it sounds pious.

[i] And Moses said, This shall be, when the Lord shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the Lord heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the Lord.[/i]

Strong's Ref. # 8519

Romanized tluwnah
Pronounced tel-oo-naw'

or tlunnah {tel-oon-naw'}; from HSN3885 in the sense of obstinacy; a grumbling:

KJV--murmuring.

Let me give you an example of what I'm wondering about here...

I work in a management position and one thing I've noticed about managers is that they like to talk to each other about things on the job, often about what is wrong with this, that, or the other.

Sometimes this is nescessary, in order to make changes, ect.. Other times it is just plain gossip. When I've talked to other managers about this who have come to me with this sort of thing, I've told them how I recognise if something is gossip:

[b]One[/b] Do I have a reason to know what you are telling me.

[b]Two[/b] And this goes along with the first one, can I do any about what you are telling me; that is, am I in a postion to bring about a positive change to the situation.

So in other words, if you are coming to me and telling me all this garbage about so and so, just to [i]get it off your chest[/i] or to [i]vent[/i] or whatever, then forget it because I don't want to listen to someone's poisonous words about someone else.

So my wondering here then is about what happens if things are being spoken, not about any one person, but about God's Church.

Brothers, I recognise the need to call out evil. I think my concern here is more about the spirit of it.

Just some thoughts. I hope no one misunderstands me. Perhaps I can offer this then as nothing more than a gentle reminder, or a brief word of caution.

Your's in the paitient waiting for God's Son,

Christopher

thank you brother for the reminder

but there is a danger whit this easy belivism... Jesus said in the parable of the sower in Mar 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

if we don't understand even this, that there are false converts, false believers just as there are false teachers and false prophets...there are many many many false belivers...fallen into this easy believes. We do need to let the spirit do its work, but God also uses men, filled whit the holy spirit.

we need to preach the cross... as in death to self, death to the world

Wow, I didn't sense any judgment from Paul Washer in his message. His emphasis was more that the "once saved, always saved" doctrine is not biblical and you can't just go on your merry way and sin as you like and never repent just because you prayed the sinner's prayer. Maybe it's just me? Help me understand what you mean, J-bird. I didn't have a "holier than thou" sense coming from him or the message.

Mia and Bailey, Dugan, Buddy and Agnes the beagles.

but something that just comes to mind, why did Paul write to the Corinthians, and warn them don't do this and don't do that? i believe because he wanted to warn them if you continue to live that way you going to miss the "mark",

and Jesus says in Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

that implies to me he can erase one persons name if he comes to saving faith and then went astray for some reason, one i believe is unholy living.

whiteout holiness you wont see the Lord, no matter if you are a "hard" believer ;-)

just my thoughts on it