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Banning Prayer in Public Schools Has Led to America's Demise -bergel

sermonindex Mar 7, 2007


[b]Banning Prayer in Public Schools Has Led to America's Demise[/b]
[i]by Gary Bergel[/i]

A recent statistical analysis by David Barton graphically illustrates how America has plummeted from righteous living, prosperity and success in the last quarter century. Consider the following chart compiled from his study, America: To Pray or Not to Pray. 1

As you might have already noticed on Mr. Barton's graph, America's moral decline rapidly accelerated following one event - the U.S. Supreme Court's removal of prayer from our nation's schools. On June 25, l962, 39 million students were forbidden to do what they and their predecessors had been doing since the founding of our nation - publicly calling upon the name of the Lord at the beginning of each school day.

The New York school children which prompted the Engel vs. Vitale ruling had simply prayed: "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence on Thee and beg Thy blessing over us, our parents, our teachers and our nation."

America has experienced radical decline in each of the four areas which the children's prayer touched upon: youth, family, education, national life. Minor recovery has occurred only since 1980 when the election of President Reagan brought forth a renewed emphasis on "traditional" values.

The removal of prayer from our schools was a violation of the third commandment which commands us "not to take the name of the Lord in vain." By the judicial act of forbidding invocation, the Court audaciously elevated a secularized system of education beyond the authority, reach and blessing of God Himself. Worse than taking the Lord's sacred name in vain is treating it with contempt, denying it rightful place and stripping it from public use and even from the lips of children. Jesus' own expressed desire, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them" was also violated by these judges, many of whom were raised in Christian homes.

But there was actually a gross violation of the third commandment by the U.S. Supreme Court a year earlier. A ruling in 1961, I believe, paved the way for stripping the Lord's name from our children's lips. In Torcaso vs. Watkins, the court overruled a provision of the Maryland Constitution which made "a declaration of belief in the existence of God" mandatory for holding public office.
Roy R. Torcaso, a Maryland resident and an avowed atheist, was refused a notary public commission when he would not subscribe to the required oath. His case was brought before the U.S. Supreme Court. The Court ruled to sanction atheism and overruled the Maryland Constitution.

Rev. T. Robert Ingram records columnist Felix Morley's shrewd observations on this 1961 ruling in his study, The World Under God's Law. Mr. Morley, writing in the Nation's Business September 1961, pointed out "the absurdity of having an official administer to others oaths in the sanctity of which he does not himself believe."

The effect of this ruling is not just to eat away at the sacredness of the name of God, but to eliminate the sacredness and thereby the substance of the oath itself. With solemn oaths and binding contracts between individuals removed, the state eventually sits where God ought, and only the state's cause is held valid. There is no longer an absolute and just legal basis for judging "between a man and his brother," much less a man and his neighbor (Deuteronomy 1:16, 17). All affairs of life become subject to state, rather than individual control.

Rev. Ingram documents and points out that "a broad, organized attack reaching into high places is under way to remove the third commandment from legal standing in the United States and throughout the world." He points out that, "the World Court, for example, presumably the new fountain of justice, or a prototype of the socialist dream of world government, has no provision for'taking the name of God' - no oath." The Socialist agenda of world domination makes no place for solemn "swearing" between individuals.

Jesus' teaching on oath-taking recorded in Matthew 5:33-37, while often misinterpreted, is actually a strong affirmation of the third commandment and a clear warning that "the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain" (Exodus 20:7).

Besides forbidding perjury, (calling God to witness a lie) and false swearing, this passage also forbids all rash and unnecessary swearing, and especially warns against promissory oaths - that require a performance. Our "Yes" should be "Yes," and our "No" should mean "No." If understood, our word uttered in integrity should of itself be a sufficient and proper bond.

The "evangelical prophet," Oswald Chambers (1874 - 1917), saw that the empty promises made by so many Christians actually result in great "spiritual leakage." He admonished his followers: "Always beware of vowing, it is a risky thing. If you promise to do a thing and don't do it, it means the weakening of your moral nature. We are all so glib in the way we promise and don't perform and never realize that it is sapping our moral energy."2

Think then, what happens to a nation rife with perjury, broken marriage covenants, unforgiveness, cults with demonic covenants, extortion, bribery, libel, slander, profanity, hypocrisy, idle talk, and lawsuits initiated solely for revenge and personal gain. We are living witnesses that truly "the Lord does not hold such a nation guiltless."

Regardless of how the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled, we must each, as Oswald Chambers declared, realize that "God's laws are not watered down to suit anyone; if God did that He would cease to be God. The moral law never alters for the noblest or the weakest; it remains abidingly and eternally the same."

After more than 25 years of severe moral decline is it not time to repent, reverence the name of the Lord, reinstitute and keep the third commandment?

1 David Barton, America: To Pray or Not to Pray, (Aledo, TX: Speciality Research Associates).
2 Oswald Chambers, The Best From All His Books, (Oliver-Nelson Books, 1987).

J
jordanamo Mar 7, 2007

This is completely ridiculous. This is not a theocracy-- it is a secular nation built upon secular principles-- read some of the diaries of the Founding Fathers-- only a few even held to the fundamentals.

Please though. "Congress shall make NO law establishing a religion"-- remember that? (PS: This was established in later Supreme Court cases to be extended to the States and thus it's not solely a "Congress" specific deal-- it extends to states and nearly everything the states do basically-- so it ain't just "Federal" but schools are run by the states-- states receive funding by the Gov't-- etc..) You can't put Christianity in schools like that because it denigrates other religions and is putting one religion above the rest. The Supreme Court did a great thing.

What you should do is take your kids out of public schools. But in a public school, they can still pray to themselves-- they just won't be coerced via peer pressure to do so. At lunch they can easily pray-- it wasn't banned.

The total argument of the denigration of society based on that one thing is based on complete flawed logic and facts. I mean really, society was as bad in the 50's as it is now-- it's just that people are now coming and accepting how bad they are etc. so to say, and not hiding behind a facade. I'm fine with that-- I'd rather have people be hard-lined sinners than complete hypocrites hiding behind a facade of social norms and whatnot.

Jordan

sermonindex Mar 7, 2007

The total argument of the denigration of society based on that one thing is based on complete flawed logic and facts. I mean really, society was as bad in the 50's as it is now-- it's just that people were coming and accepting how bad it's been, and not hiding behind a facade.

Agreed. But there also is a truth that since the bible and prayer was taken out of schools youth have been raised with more of a godless atmosphere that has catered to the degredation of society. Some world view philosophies such as Evolution and Athiesm has catered to this moral collapse we see in America.

J
jordanamo Mar 7, 2007


Agreed. But there also is a truth that since the bible and prayer was taken out of schools youth have been raised with more of a godless atmosphere that has catered to the degredation of society. Some world view philosophies such as Evolution and Athiesm has catered to this moral collapse we see in America.

Yes that is why you take your kids out of school. No reason at ALL to put them in there. The "Mission field" people propose it to be sometimes = "Killing field" in reality.

I just don't like people thinking putting prayer back in schools is gonna solve all the world's (or nation's) problems. It's, first off, impossible. Supreme Court precedent etc., is in play-- no Supreme Court justice would reverse this in a million years.

Again, most politicians are corrupt and are not Godly-- though they may appear. This nation is heading down the tube-- just keep your kids at home & grow them up in a Godly edifying atmosphere. Don't let them near the State one inch and you won't have a problem. Throw out the TV, throw out newspapers, etc. It's a parental responsibility.

Jordan

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ChrisJD Mar 7, 2007

Good morning everyone.

Hi Jordan, I'd like to share a bit about some of the things you mentioned. Hope that will be alright.


First about the First Ammendment to the Constitution. This was pretty amazing to me to learn, but according to a little paper that I have from CRM, [u]on the same day[/u] that Congress approved the language of the first ten ammendments, September 25, 1789, they also, get this...


"[b]...unanimously voted to ask President Washigton to declare a national 'day of public thanksgiving and prayer[/b]"

I also have found a copy of this address by President Washington. Here's a section of it


'Whereas it is the [b]duty[/b] of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to [b]obey his will[/b], to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanks-giving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."'{emphasis added)


[url=http://memory.loc.gov/learn/community/EA_toolkit/washington_public.pdf]The writtings of George Washington from the original manuscript[/url]


About the courts...

This same paper that I have from CRM qoutes a Supreme Court opinion from 1892 which says

"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterance that [i][b]this is a Christian nation[/b][/i]." It sites as the refrence [i]Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, Febuary 29, 1892, 143 US 457-458, 465-471, 36L ed 226[/i].


I've also found this about the founders, concerning their beliefes, specifically about the 55 delegates at the constitutional convention


[b][color=999900]The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin--[u]this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith[/u].[/color][/b]


the article I'm qouting from goes on to say

[b][color=999900]This is a revealing tally. It shows that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. [u]Indeed, 70% were Calvinists[/u] (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity. [/color][/b]


[url=http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5243]The Faith of our Fathers[/url]


Here's a list of the men


[b]Connecticut[/b]
Oliver Ellsworth
William Samuel Johnson
Roger Sherman

[b]Delaware[/b]
Richard Bassett
Gunning Bedford Jr.
Jacob Broom
John Dickinson
George Read

[b]Georgia[/b]
Abraham Baldwin
William Few
William Houstoun
William Leigh Pierce

[b]Maryland[/b]
Daniel Carroll
Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer
Luther Martin
James McHenry
John Francis Mercer

[b]Massachusetts[/b]
Elbridge Gerry
Nathaniel Gorham
Rufus King
Caleb Strong

[b]Virginia[/b]
John Blair
James Madison
George Mason
James McClurg
Edmund Randolph
George Washington
George Wythe

[b]New Hampshire[/b]
Nicholas Gilman
John Langdon

[b]New Jersey[/b]
David Brearley
Jonathan Dayton
William Churchill Houston
William Livingston
William Paterson

[b]New York[/b]
Alexander Hamilton
John Lansing Jr.
Robert Yates

[b]North Carolina[/b]
William Blount
William Richardson Davie
Alexander Martin
Richard Dobbs Spaight Sr.
Hugh Williamson

[b]South Carolina[/b]
Pierce Butler
Charles Pinckney
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
John Rutledge

[b]Pennsylvania[/b]
George Clymer
Thomas Fitzsimons
Benjamin Franklin
Jared Ingersoll
Thomas Mifflin
Gouverneur Morris
Robert Morris
James Wilson


[url=http://www.constitutioncenter.org/explore/FoundingFathers/index.shtml]Constitution Center.org[/url]

Some things to consider,


Chris

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