MIXING TRUTH WITH ERROR IS TO BE UNFAITHFUL TO GOD

Ps 51v5, 'Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts, and in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom'.

I heard a saying once that said truth mixed with lies creates poison.

It sure does.

Act 20v29, 'For I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you not sparing the flock'.

2 Tim 3v5, 'Having a form of godliness but denying it's power. And from such people turn away'.

From such people turn away.

Scripture tells us what to do. We ignore it at our peril.

If feelings are all you want, and deception, then fine, go along with it.

If not, flee from the wrath to come.

Have to go, for now.

God bless.

Poison...a little bit goes a long way.

The bible says you will know them by their fruit.

If I went back through every entry on this site I am sure I could find some measure of error in every contributor. We all know in part.

[color=0000CC]Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.[/color]

[color=0000CC]2Cr 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he [is] Christ's, even so [are] we Christ's.[/color]

[color=0000CC]1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently: [/color]

[color=0000CC]1Pe 3:4 But [let it be] the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, [even the ornament] of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. [/color]

[color=0000CC]1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. [/color]

I believe we need to correct error, however we need to understand that we too are liable to error. Which of us hasn't gone back and said I am sorry I said that, I spoke to hastily?

I have no problem with people addressing error but I do have a problem with someone slamming the person who it just trying to share what they feel God is showing them. Many times I am sure it is just a problem of being able to accurately state what one feels in their heart. To ax someones character it not wise. Nobody really knows what is in someones heart except God.

Is the person's sharing out of a heart to stir people to serve God more fully or are they operating out of a different motive. God might possibly be more pleased with someone who trys to share the burden of their heart and isn't scholarly enough to get it out perfectly than He is with someone who doesn't display love and kindness in dealing with that individual.

I will always err on the side of mercy because I want to be shown mercy.

[color=0000CC]1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. [/color]

[color=0000CC]Mat 5:7 Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. [/color]

[color=0000CC]1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. [/color]

[color=0000CC]Jam 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. [/color]

[color=0000CC]Jam 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. [/color]

I can see jumping on an error so it doesn't infect others, however we must be very careful not to malign someone's character, because their heart might be pure. We are to correct is a spirit of meekness.

[color=0000CC]Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.[/color]

You tell me if a spirit of love and meekness has been used when correction has been brought. I have seen people go for the jugular vein here. It is very sad to show so little love towards another brother or sister.

I could bring a correction in the spirit of love. If I love someone it breaks my heart to have to correct them. They are a part of me and when they hurt, I hurt.

I will show you two scenarios:

#1

When correcting a brother or sister let your words be seasoned with love and respect. Carefully weigh your words to make sure that they are in keeping with gentleness and meekness, realizing you are not perfect in all your word either. Love covers a multitude of sins. When correcting a brother make sure it comes from a heart that bleeds for that individual.

#2

The yelling accusations you brought against that brothers word was mean, ugly and didn't have any love in it. If all you do is tear down you should keep your opinions to yourself.

Do you see that our words have the ability to heal or destroy? I can lovingly say brother what you said is in need of some correction without maligning your character. I can weigh my words carefully balanced with scripture to show where the error lies and pray they will see the truth. Slamming them will not further God's purpose in their lives or ours. Correct with gentleness. If we don't, we too are in error.

Everybody will have a difference of opinion on music and healing, but it remains extremely important in what kind of spirit we state our opinions or correction.

I have been amazed at just how ruthless some people on this forum have been with those who are related to them. These are our brothers and sisters. What would you do if someone slammed your sister, wife or mother. Even if they were aweful relatives you, as a christian, wouldn't be a part of tearing them down. Your hope is for redemption. Do we owe those God has related us to any less?

I have to say to equate anything that I have read shared on this forum lately with Jim Jones, who urinated on the bible and had sex with most of his group, is a real sadness to me. The people who have shared words were sharing what they believed God gave them to wake us up to the consequences of living for the world. They certainly haven't done a Jim Jones thing.

This is my very point, was that spoken out of love. Did love motivate that comment? Was the heart of the speaker agonizing over the individual alluded to? Our brothers and sister should be so important to us we would lay down our lives for them. We sould go to the greatest lengths to lovingly help them to understand the truth, if they be in error.

It would seem that if we don't agree with what is said we automatically write off and put a plaque over their head that says "Ichabod". That is total presumption on our part. In the case of Jim Jones, he blatantly spat on the things of God and surely needed strong correction. He was so far removed for biblical form that anybody could have seen it. That is not the case with the things recently posted on this forum, even the moderator said so.

All I can say is I don't want to stand before God and say I corrected so and so and so and I did it with gusto and have the Lord say I never knew you. You showed no mercy and now you will not receive mercy. You had no love in your heart towards your bretheren and those without love can't enter in.

[color=0000CC]Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. [/color]

[color=0000CC]Mat 5:7 Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.[/color]

[color=0000CC]1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? [/color]
[color=0000CC]1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also. [/color]

I would say to everyone, including myself, who has brought a correction to anyone on this forum, and anywhere for that matter, do you really love the one you are speaking to. Is you heart to help and encourage them.

Peter denied the Lord and Jesus picked him up and loved him. He went on to be a pillar in the church. Paul wrote off John Mark and later he was profitable to him.

[color=0000CC]2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. [/color]

Help!

Now I've made an error.

I thought, from the original post, that we were discussing about false teachings in the church itself. Like prosperity preachers, seeker churches etc.

I didn't realise it was about posts that others have started and got out of hand.

So now, I'm confused.

Still, the word of God does say in
Prov 27v5, 'Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed'

You can speak the truth in love and people will still get offended.

But I'm still confused!

So, help me out.

God bless.

Dear Krispy,

I can only quote you:

[color=0000CC]Many times while discussing a particular preacher on here, many on this forum believe that we can still listen and learn from men who teach considerable amount of truth but also teach obvious error in many areas.[/color]

It appeared to me you were speaking of recent discussions about recent posts. Did I read you wrong?

On the other post about strong correction, it is needed in private at first and then in front of the church if someone doesn't renounce their error (sin).

I have witnessed this sort of excommunication in front of the church and it was done with the deepest grief, the door left open if repentance comes.

If a person is in error we need to point out the error with meekness and kindness entreating them to see. I know this is a public forum but we do have pm.

Each of us has our particular field of truth to preserve. For some it is standing for truth in the prophetic, or the way to salvation. My particular soap boxes are love and mercy and the prosperity doctrine.

I can stand for truth in these areas and share back and forth with those who espouse differing views without hating them or writing them off as a brother. I will speak what I believe and try to share more times to bring correction, but after that I commend them to God. I do not take offense at what they say even if they call me "Goldie". :-)

It is really important if someone is in error repeatedly to clearly point out that error with scriptures backing it up and not leave it out there in the unknown zone. Specifically state this word is in error and why.

My repungance for the prosperity doctrine causes me to not buy books or watch TV progams they speak on. I do not correct them because I have no personal contact with them. I have on a number of occasions carefully brought the word on this issue to my pastors. I spoke it with respect and love to the best of my ability. One cast me out and one still loves me. I certainly do not take everything hook, line and sinker. I weigh everything according to the word, but I still love the one in error.

[color=0000CC]Rom 12:9 [Let] love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.[/color]

[color=0000CC]1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any [man]; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all [men].[/color]

[color=0000CC]1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[/color]

People get off into error when they think they have something to say about everything. If I have a revelation of love in my spirit and I decide to talk about end-time events I am out of my place. If I try to speak about what I don't know I get off into error. I would consider this foolishness and not necessarily that I was a false brother.

My point is I can listen to what __________ says about church history and learn a lot, but if he gets off into love and has no revelation of love he might be off a bit. That does not change the fact that his history lesson was right on.

How do we discern who is repeatedly in error. Just because someone says so isn't good enough. We have to search out what is said in the light of scripture and bring that to the forefront showing the basis for our verdict.

Case in point: When my church excommunicated a elder, previously they went to him and said you need to repent of committing adultry, declaring the word of God to him. He didn't repent. They went again, to give every opportunity to repent, he didn't. Then they brought it before the church with sadness, speaking God's word on that situation so the fellowship knew the reason for breaking fellowship with him and then told the people not to eat or fellowship with him until repentance came. No one was left to guess just what error they were refering to. Ultimately he did repent an was restored to fellowship.

I think Krispy, I understood what you were asking pretty clearly. My only reason for saying what I said is that there is a difference between a shyster who is trying to fleece the sheep and someone with a heart for God that still lacks understanding in certain areas. And we may not understand ourselves what is being shared, the blind spot may be in us. Only God knows the heart and it will have a big bearing on His judgment in that day.

Krispy I see what you are getting at and I agree that if someone is into sloppy agape or the bless me gospel I don't seek them out. I agree entirely.

My only point is that seeing as you mentioned this forum I thought you were speaking of posts on this forum and therefore said what I said.

I don't want to be tedious but if some poster is in error, even more than once, I don't want someone to say he is a heretic and a false brother, prophet, etc. Especially because a google search says so. I want the word.

I want them to say Goldminer said this, it goes against this scripture, therefore I am sending forth this correction.

Having shared the Ironside word. I agree with what was said too. However do you really think every word Ironside wrote or spoke is correct? That is the problem I have with what was written, without a disclaimer that we all know in part. I don't claim to have the handle on anything. About the time we think we have the last word, God will show us our error.

Also most who speak in error don't know they are in error until someone points out the scriptures to prove it.

hi Krispy , Ihave some thoughts on healing but am unsure what you are refering to.Are you refering to the Word Of Faith Movement? I too have some issues with them. thanks ,David