How is this? That would throw off the the creation of man, the way sin came into the world, and basically throwing the WHOLE entire book of Genesis out of the Bible..can someone please explain this to me.
BigQuill09,
Many people who are Christians read Genesis as a representational accounting of God creating the universe and mankind. a day for God can be eons for mankind, and thus, within this framework both Genesis and evolution can comfortably co-exist for the Christian.
Bub
And many more do not...
Have you tried asking your teacher how she reconcilles the two?
hi big, you are right evolution is the devils religion . It takes faith to believe that fairy tale from hell.Try to get a private meetihg with teach.Before you meet study up on the fossil record. THERE IS NONE! Evolution is bankrupt. NO TRANSITIONAL RECORD. SHOULD BE EVERYWHERE! Dr Carl Baugh[Spelling?] Is a great source.[He has a creation museum in Texas.]Also David Hovine[Spelling?] has a creation museum in Pensacola.Carbon dating is a joke! Dr Baugh has a cowboy boot with a petrafied leg in it. Carbon dates to some ancient time like BC 4000. What a farse!Another BIG BIG BIGGIE,Is separation of species.Play it backwards and it stops immediately. In otherwords a parrot cant make a chicken,and a swan cant make a duck! And get this;a monkey cant make a man.[Pray Pray Pray and ask God for an entrance to this teacher and ask God to go before you]....But if I were you I would do it In private,BUT NOT ALONE ,TAKE A FRIEND.I think you will do fine. please keep me posted!......God bless,David
A few years ago it was fairly popular practice for Bible teachers to claim to find in the Scriptures confirmation of almost every new discovery made by science. Apparently no one noticed that the scientist had to find it before the Bible teacher could, and it never seemed to occur to anyone to wonder why, if it was there in the Bible in such plain sight, it took several thousand years and the help of science before anyone saw it.Now, I believe that everything in the Bible is true, but to attempt to make it a textbook for science is to misunderstand it completely and tragically. The purpose of the Bible is to bring men to Christ, to make them holy and prepare them for heaven. In this it is unique among books, and it always fulfills its purpose when it is read in faith and obedience.
A.W. Tozer
We can agree that the bible is not a science book per se. The scriptures do not explain how to pasteurize milk or land on the moon.
However the bible remains a book of certain material facts. Christians consider the bible to be book of material history...a book that faithfully represents facts of Earthly history. We regard the essential facts of history recorded in the bible with the same clout that we give modern historical 'research'. We categorize the annals, narritives, memoirs, geaneologies, events, as far more then mere 'wisdom' literature. The scriptures claims of authoritative spiritual truth are intrinsically intertwined with specific records of material history. If we excuse away the written history of the bible, we denude the spiritual authority of the bible.
This is not to say that we can add to what is not written, but that we cannot excuse or explain away what is written.
Blessings,
MC
Brother Mike,
"The scriptures claims of authoritative spiritual truth are intrinsically intertwined with specific records of material history. If we excuse away the written history of the bible, we denude the spiritual authority of the bible."
Very much appreciate the way you've put this. Think also of John 3:12 and Luke 16:31.
While the Bible may not be a book of science, or archeology, or history, yet it does touch upon these things and quite often. So when the fashions of secular thought run contrary to what Scripture says shouldn't there be a balance in how we respond?
Must be somewhere in or between these...
[i] Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
[i]Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Chris
crsschk wrote:
And many more do not...
Have you tried asking your teacher how she reconcilles the two?
No doubt someone has already pointed you to Answers in Genesis or other Creationist websites. Look up "Evolution" in the search on this site too, there is at least one recent thread on it.
But, as Bubba said, there are Christians, even ones with a good knowledge of science, who do manage to believe in Evolution as well (how they do it I don't know, but they do!) Which means that Genesis, and no doubt other historical accounts in the Bible, need to be reinterpreted in a non-historical way.
I had just started on a biological sciences degree course when I found the Lord.
A few months later I was challenged by a Christian doctor who said, "How can you believe in Evolution if you're a Christian?"
I was furious, but because he was a doctor and I was only a young first year student, couldn't really argue with him. No doubt you could have the same problem with your teacher. Pray for your teacher that the Lord will open his/her eyes as He did mine.
I was so angry that it brought me up short. I wondered, "Why am I so angry if its only a theory? I must have been brainwashed!"
Suddenly my mind was clear! I began to question the "Theory" and realised very soon that there was a great deal of evidence that made Evolution extremely unlikely even as a scientific hypothesis (a theory has to have had much experimental evidence to suggest its true before it can be called that. Which Evolution doesn't have)
There was even a non-Christian lecturer (he would probably call himself a humanist) who didn't believe in Evolution on scientific grounds.
Blessings
Jeannette
My Mother and Sister who are both Christians believe that God created the heaven and the earth, while believing that things do evolve. For example, Languages evolve, landscapes change, Islands appear, even today our weather is changing, etc.. etc.. We even evolve in our Christian walk, look at this verse:
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Darwin was demon possessed, however there is nothing wrong with the word evolution when applied to good solid bible teaching.
I think this is about "macroevolution" - the theory of humans evolving from primates; the primates also having evolved from something else that had its ultimate genesis in the sea. This is what people normally think of when they hear the word "evolution": a glob of primordial soup - the slithering motherslug - from which all animate beings had their beginning.
I'm going to go out on a limb here (as my supposed ape ancestors did) and say this... and remember, this is only my opinion...
One can not be a true Christian and also believe in Darwinian Evolution. Darwinian Evolution denies the existence of a Creator God, and contradicts the Bible by denying God. It considers the creation account to be a myth.
If the Genesis account of creation is a myth (otherwise known as a lie), then you have to call Jesus a liar because the Gospels refer to creation. Jesus did as well. Therefore, if Jesus, who claimed that He was the way, [b]the truth
Paul referred to Adam on several occasions to make his points about how sin entered into the picture, to explain God's order concerning men and women, etc. If we say Paul's words were inspired by the Holy Spirit... and the Holy Spirit had Paul write about a creation that didnt happen... then the Holy Spirit is a liar.
... and the whole Bible crumbles at our feet.
No, you must believe in creation or evolution. Choose you this day whom you will serve. Christ or Darwin.
And, by the way, there is [b]not one[b]BUT
....and the earth is only 6,000 yrs old, ya'll.
Krispy
Brethren,
It is important to realize that 'evolution' does indeed ocur, in the strictest sense that things do change as time goes by.
Variation within created kinds is normal... how else can you get a chihuahua (SP?) and a St. Bernard out of the same dog stock? This is known as MICROevolution, or speciation. Variety is a part of God's creation!
To say that a primordial soup of amino acids developed into a cell, which somewhow managed to divide by mitosis, then gradually develop into a multicellular organism capable of sexual reproduction... that is MACROevolution, the belief that one kind can give rise to another if given enough time.
Life depends on organization. Think about this: A mosquito is an incredibly complex flying organism, with many thousands of parts functioning in precise order... for now!
SWAT!
I just disorganized that mosquito with my flyswatter. Are all the original parts still there? Yes. Is it a living organism now? No. Why is that? The organization has been taken away.
Yet there are those who will deny Biblical revelation and commonsense logic to say that this highly complex but now disorganized mosquito [originally] developed through DISORGANIZED random processes.
Hmm... ;-)
Praise the Lord that He told us just exactly what He did, and didn't befuddle us with some cloudy, unlcear revelatory statements!
Krispy, here's the deal with my position. I believe the Bible is spiritually inerrant. It conveys essential truths about the Triune God that created all things and stands to judge all things at the close of time. It relates His involvement in the Hebrew race and how He offered His fallen creatures (man) a means of forgiveness and redemtion through love and His Son's pure and holy sacrifice.
The essential Truths of the Book are Love conquers all things and those who persevere will be rewarded by the Father.
these essential Truths don't need any foundation in the earth's crust, in sedimentary rock or any kind of fossils. they take Faith in Christ given for us.
if you want to continue to call me a godless heathen, go ahead, i forgive you. bub
The essential Truths of the Book are Love conquers all things and those who persevere will be rewarded by the Father.
My mother believes this - and she's a Kabbalist. She reads the Pentateuch and Zohar every morning and night. She believes the Bible is spiritually inerrant also...but has many questions as to what is to be taken [i]literally
Adam and Eve and the serpent? Cryptic symbolism. Jonah and the fish? Symbolism. Crossing the Red Sea? Symbolism. According to her Rabbi, they all contain spiritual truths, but only allegorically. Anyone who believes they [i]actually
I believe one of the best ways to gauge where a person truly stands in Christ is to ascertain his/her take on the [i]literal[i]spiritually[i]truly
Brother Paul
Anyone who believes they actually happened is...well, a moron.
Oy Vey!!
NewCovWinDor wrote:Praise the Lord that He told us just exactly what He did, and didn't befuddle us with some cloudy, unlcear revelatory statements!
Amen!
It rained here today. If my daughter asked her teacher what caused the rain do I think that she should answer, God did. I would have no problem with that but i would also have no problem (and would expect her) with her also giving the scientific answer.
Is that a compromise. Does the fact that we know scientificaly what causes rain in the immediate sense take from the fact that the bible says thatr God makes it to rain. Is it a compromise. Is God just a God of the gaps, the bits we can't explain? or is he the God of the whole system. Did he knit me together in my moters womb as the psalms say or was ther a biological process? Was it both-in other words was there a process that operated and then God stepped in every now and then with an intelligent design miracle. Or are they one and the same thing. Is the process not the work of God?
Are the weather systems not the work of God, and why not the evolution of life also?
Hi Bubbaguy, how are you?
I wanted to comment upon something you mentioned here if that is alright. You said
"...these essential Truths don't need any foundation in the earth's crust, in sedimentary rock or any kind of fossils. they take Faith in Christ given for us."
I was thinking though, isn't the entrance of death into this world through the sin of Adam an essential truth of the Bible also? For instance where Paul says in Romans chapter 5,
[i]...by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
He is linking death and sin to an historic person, who the Bible also says is in the genealogy of Christ Jesus(Luke 3:23,38). We can not believe that the Man Christ Jesus, who is also called the Last Adam, that He has a mythologoical or fictitious first ancestor, can we?
Chris
Are the weather systems not the work of God, and why not the evolution of life also
It is important to realize that weather systems are described from observable and measurable events that occur over the period of hours to weeks. Darwninian (Macro) Biological Evolution by it's very 4.5 billion year proposition is frustratingly unobservable and unmeasurable. In fact, it would be better to compare evolution with other natural philosophic systems in that has a highly defined rationality but is ultimately untestable.
So we cannot compare Climatology with Darwinism anymore then we can compare astronomy with astrology. The former is supported purely with incontrovertable data, the latter is can only be held together with controvertable philosophic pretext.
We can observe the complete cycle of water, air currents, and temperature in our world. Yet not only are the origins of life beyond observation, the mutation of one order of animal into another has never been observed...it is impossible to demonstrate or prove even with modern genetic science. You have never heard of a succesful experiement evolving a reptile into a mammal solely with reconfiguring existign reptile DNA. If it were possible by chance in nature...it would be all the more possible with intelligent modern science.
Surely the economic rewards of successful macro animal evolutionary breeding would be immense. Consider the livestock industries. Inspite of all our genetic and husbandry sciences, sheep and cattle remain fixed within narrow uncrossable boundaries.
Scientist can recreate weather conditions on a limited scale...why can't they recreate evolution?
Blessings,
MC
We can observe the complete cycle of water, air currents, and temperature in our world
But don't you believe that God couses the weather?
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