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Campus Crusade students killed in massacre - Mission Network News

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

Original: http://mnnonline.org/article/9819

USA (MNN) -- A South Korean students on the campus of Virginia Tech is accused of gunning down 32 students and professors Monday in the largest mass murder case ever in United States history. Virginia Tech police identified the shooter as Cho Seung-Hui (joh sung-wee), a 23-year-old South Korean national and resident alien.

About 500 students are involved with Campus Crusade for Christ on Virginia Tech's campus. Campus Crusade's Tony Arnold is in Blacksburg, VA. He says some of their students are among the dead. "Several of our students were killed. Three that we know were involved with either Campus Crusade for Christ or with one of our sister affiliate ministries called Valor. There's also another student that is not officially listed yet, but since no one has been able to reach her we believe she must be among the casualties."

The Campus Crusade victims include Matt La Porte, Jerrett Lane, and Mary Read, who had signed up to be a student Campus Crusade leader next year.

Arnold says they're trying to take care of the emotional and spiritual needs of their staff and students involved with them. He says Campus Crusade students were e-mailed questions that will help, and they believe it will be helpful "to meet briefly and to go through those questions together to help them to begin to process their emotions, how they're doing personally, how they're doing collectively, corporately, and how they're doing spiritually."

Arnold says the trauma and grief is limiting evangelism. "It may be several days before some of the non-believers here are emotionally able to even cope and begin to grasp spiritual opportunities. We're available to them. We want to help them."

Campus Crusade has a resource that can help these students and others around the world who are affected by this tragedy. "We have a website, EveryStudent.com. On the homepage there now, the top article addresses the question, 'Where's God in the midst of tragedy?'"

Arnold would like Christians to pray that "while the rest of the country is glued to their television sets, they would be glued to the Lord and to each other." Pray that they will be a shining example to those who don't know Christ.

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

With a campus population of 28,500 Campus Crusade, with 500 members, only makes up .017% of the student body.

With 32 victims of this massacre, and four of them being members of CCC that means that .125% were members of Campus Crusade.

Campus Crusade is taking a big part of the burden, maybe it's God's Mercy that he took people that knew him and gave other's who didn't a chance to turn to Him.

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

[url=http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=25424]Baptist Press[/url] reports that at least two of the students, Rachael Hill and Brian Bluhm were active in their respective church communities.

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repentcanada Apr 19, 2007

this is encouraging, thank you

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Isaiah64 Apr 19, 2007

Thank you for that. I'll continue to pray.

One thing that grieved me though is that on that Everystudent site the Gospel presentation starts with "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life." Imagine telling this to the students who just experienced this awful trajedy. Someone needs to tell them to change that.

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

After reading several profiles of the victims online, it appears that at least 4 more of the victims were deeply involved in their local churches, one was even involved in missions.

If this had happened at my alma mater you'd be lucky to get 1 in 32.

In the midst of this tragedy we know that God was bringing home several people to Himself.

sermonindex Apr 19, 2007

Yeah- I didnt want to say anything, but Campus Crusade for Christ is a main culprit in propogating a false cheap grace gospel. Just look at their 4 spiritual laws tract.

I do hope that their students who were killed were soundly saved. Life is but a vapor.

in Christ - Jim

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

Dude, rest it.

If 'your' gospel is so big, then go out and change the world, otherwise don't complain about what other churches and groups are doing.

sermonindex Apr 19, 2007

Ian-

We have had this talk before right here on sermon index. I suppose with that attitude you would have stood with the false prophets of jeremiahs time. I am not saying anything prophetic or new, Ray Comfort, Andrew Strom, Paul Washer and many other speakers on this site have said the same thing.

[about Campus Crusade] < edited
Maybe you are convicted of something?

In Christ - Jim

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

Paul Washer, as far as I know doesn't take cheap jabs at any organizations and refrains from using specific names of individuals, churches and organizations.

Even if you disagree with what someone else is teaching, to call them false prophets, people on the ground doing God's work... that's wicked in itself. I'm looking sin in the face.

As far as i'm concerned, you probably don't even know anyone from Campus Crusade, or haven't even talked with any of them...

EDIT: moderator unsuitable words used.

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Nile Apr 19, 2007

Yeah- I didnt want to say anything, but Campus Crusade for Christ is a main culprit in propogating a false cheap grace gospel. Just look at their 4 spiritual laws tract.

I was thinking the same thing.
For those wanting more info on CCfC, see [url=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/ccc/]here[/url].

I do hope that their students who were killed were soundly saved. Life is but a vapor.

I agree.

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

I was thinking this before I even wrote this thread... but maybe the reason that Seung Cho wasn't reached with the good news of Jesus was because all the Christians around him were bickering with eachother about who was preaching a true Gospel and who was preaching a false gospel... and in the process the GOSPEL never got preached at all.

sermonindex Apr 19, 2007

Even if you disagree with what someone else is teaching, to call them false prophets, people on the ground doing God's work... that's wicked in itself. I'm looking sin in the face.

1) I did not call Campus Crusade false prophets, they are clearly an example in general of what Paul Washer and Ray Comfort preach against though.

2) Paul Washer clearly calls out the Campus Crusade 4 laws tract, Aquire the Fire and other organizations by name in his sermons

3) Everything else you have said in your post is false. To say you are looking sin in the face, I believe is false too and that leaves us with a problem bro because that is just a slanderous and false accusation.

I have said nothing sinful here.

Grace and peace to you - Jim

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

Niles,

Just checked out that site and it pained my spirit... it really disturbs me to see someone putting so much thought and meticulous work into making a case against their Christian brothers and sisters. I was just considering how this kind of thing looks to a non-christian.

I want to scream.

-Ian

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MrBillPro Apr 19, 2007

We can not always be protected from the evil of this world. For that reason we should always be ready to meet our Creator, God, Our Father. Our hearts and prayers go out to all at Virginia Tech.

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Nile Apr 19, 2007

As far as i'm concerned, you probably don't even know anyone from Campus Crusade, or haven't even talked with any of them... maybe you just know them by reputation, or maybe you're just pulling your opinion out of your rectum. But it's painful to read.

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I go to NC State and know people from CCfC.

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

It seems to me that it's better to be a total pagan engaged in a wicked lifestyle than to be involved in a Christian organization that you find fault with.

With your words and attitude you condemn your brothers and sisters and you let the world slide.

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Isaiah64 Apr 19, 2007

Can we please stop bickering and get back to the point of the thread?
The purpose of my post was not to get us arguing about and bashing Campus Crusade but to encourage someone to [i]action[/i]. Rather than just talk, we should contact those who run the site and let them know that "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life" is not the best way to approach someone with the Gospel, especially after this tragedy.

And as for Campus Crusade, Bill Bright the founder had repented of not talking about hell in one of his books. Bright had even personally talked to Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron and confessed that he had been in error. Check it out [url=http://www.calvarychapelfreegift.com/other.shtml]here[/url]. Campus Crusade often purchases tracts from Living Waters. That's why it was perplexing and grieving to me that they still used the "Wonderful Plan" message on the site.

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lejfricke Apr 19, 2007

If you find fault with an organization, why would you be involved with it? Secondly, regardless of which organization it is (whether or not you're personaly associated with it), the objective viewpoint of others, whether right or wrong, should help keep a fresh view on what the goal is and how well it is being pursued.

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iansmith Apr 19, 2007

Isaiah,

E-mail them about it, ask them if that's the best thing to have on their website right now.

-Ian

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