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vico Apr 20, 2007

Does anybody have some insight as to the situation in China concerning bibles?

do they have them readily available to the public, or are they still hard to come by for Christians there? Is it still illegal to own a bible, or are they not as strict with that anymore? I know there is still much persecution towards the Christians in China, but do they all have Bibles?

Some answers would be much appreciated from anybody that has knowledge about this.

thanks in advance.

least of all,
~vico

sermonindex Apr 21, 2007

vico,

Since this is Saturday here in Korea, somehow, ask me this question next week. Last week I just started a Korean language class with 5 Chinese students. Two of these students are Christian.

I will ask them...if I remember.

Although, I am sure someone else on SI has the answer already.

I would like to know about obtaining Bibles and tracts for cheap, since I do not have a significant about of money.

Take care and God Bless,
Brian

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vico Apr 21, 2007

alrighty then, thanks Brian!

sermonindex Apr 21, 2007

Hi Vico,

You might find some helpful information on Voice of the Martyrs' website, http://www.persecution.com/

They also have a program called [url=http://www.biblesunbound.com/qry/mc_home.taf]Bibles Unbound[/url] and China is one of the countries they are sending Bibles to.

China is still very restricted when it comes to religion. Now, some parts of the country are more strict than others. Beijing is one of the more strict cities.

There's more I could say but I'm reluctant to put much information out on a public forum. One never knows who might be reading it. We have American friends in China who have shared quite a bit with us about the situation over there. If you want to hear more just send me a pm.

Maybe someone else here on SI could give more statistics, but you might find what you're looking for on Voice of the Martyrs.

-Joy

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vico Apr 21, 2007

I would like to know about obtaining Bibles and tracts for cheap, since I do not have a significant about of money.

me to. Bibles and tracts, in both Chinese and English.

sermonindex Apr 21, 2007

[url=http://www.bjreview.com.cn/books/txt/2006-12/16/content_51073.htm]Bejing Review[/url]

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vico Apr 21, 2007

But over he past few decades haven't many Bibles been destroyed?

sermonindex Apr 21, 2007

Vico said:

But over he past few decades haven't many Bibles been destroyed?
However, the last paragraph of that review was this:
In the years since 1987, around 20 million copies of the Bible in Chinese and some ethnic minority languages have been printed on China’s mainland. These books, financed by donations from overseas, can only be sold by churches. [registered churches]
Emphasis mine.

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vico Apr 22, 2007

ahh. i see. thanks for pointing that out.

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vico Apr 23, 2007

*bump* :-)

sermonindex Apr 24, 2007

Hey vico,

I went to my Korean class tonight and funny enough one of the Chinese Christians was sitting there by himself, so I sat down and started to ask him some of your questions. Although, his English is not the greatest (my Chinese is nonexistent!!), he said that there is no real problems witth Christianity in China. He is only about 20, so I am not sure if he knows 'everything about everywhere', but he said that Bibles are not hard to come by and they can be bought in Chinese and English most places. He lives in Shanghai and said that they have a 'big' church and that it is not a secret.

**This conversation only lasted for about 3 minutes, when someone came in and cancelled the class, because our teacher's grandmother is sick.... I will ask more questions if you like on Thursday..let me know.

God Bless,
Brian

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iansmith Apr 24, 2007

He probably attended a 3-self government authorized church... in which case Bibles are not difficult to obtain.

Bibles are more difficult to obtain by the hidden house churches because to walk into a shop and buy a bible (even if available) would tip off authorities that you might be one of the house church members.

sermonindex Apr 26, 2007

ok... now I need to know more.

This guy seems to know absolutely nothing about underground churches. He insists that no such thing exists. He did mention that his church is a government church and that he has been a Christian since birth... :-(

What are the differences between the government churches and true Christian underground churches, which seem to be suffering.

sermonindex Apr 26, 2007

What are the differences between the government churches and true Christian underground churches, which seem to be suffering.
The moving and the operation of the holy Ghost.

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iansmith Apr 26, 2007

Brian, to understand the difference between the underground church and the three-self government approved church you need to visit them... but for most Westerners the best that they will get is the book 'The Heavenly Man' which is about the house church movement.

I've been to both three-self churches and house churches, the Chinese believers are Spirit-filled in both, unlike what the last post might have implied... but the house churches definitely do live with more authority because they're not afraid.

If you've read Pilgrim's progress there's a part about Mr. Fearful... the way that I think about it is that the three-self church is like Mr. Fearful, very timid and slow, but still going in the right direction. While the house church movements are radically pushing forward.

Also, there tends to be less heresy in the three-self churches, because as much as there is government censorship of sermons there is also open teaching, so there's a chance to hear about more than one doctrine.

I've been to a three-self church that was bursting... people were hanging on the walls, it was standing room only shoulder to shoulder, and there were at least a thousand people standing outside the doors trying to listen... I would say that that was a Spirit filled church, not by numbers, but for the Zeal of the word.


Now the problem that your young man seems to have is that he was probably raised in a three-self church in the city which, because of political preasure, has all but denied the existence of an underground church... I know Chinese Americans here in the United States who deny it's existence even though we have freedom of press and they can hear about everything going on in the persecuted church.

Now Religious persecution isn't the same in every province of China. There are some areas where Christianity is seen favorably, or at least dismissed as innocent by the local authorities. Really when it comes down to the persecution of Chinese in China, it's not a national decree but instead religious issues are handled on a province by province basis.

So while there may be horrible persecution in one province, there might be relative peace or even acceptance in another -even if they border eachother.

There is a chance that this young man was sheltered in one of these safe harbors where he could practice freely at a three-self church, share his faith openly without fear of persecution etc.

All that being said, this young man needs to know that you can't be a Christian from birth... almost every other religion in the world teaches that you're whatever religion your parents were (including Buddhism and Animist beliefs in China). So you need to break him of this false idea and show him that he is in need of Salvation.

** Edit

Both the three-self church and the underground church are suffering. In some provinces even though three-self churches are approved they are still routinely threatened, abused and openly criticized by the local communist party officers. Three-self doesn't mean clear sailing from abuses. Sometimes making an open profession of faith in an unpopular religion is MORE dangerous than hiding in the underground church.

I visited a three-self church where I met a woman who was in her 90's, she told me about how her husband and three sons had all been killed for professing Jesus as their Lord. She didn't tell us with anguish, but with joy, for she knew that she wasn't long off from seeing them herself.

It'd be a shame for that kind of testimony to be hidden.

I'm not trying to take anything away from the persecution that the house church movement has recieved, I'm just saying that it would be ignorant to dismiss the three-self church movement when it is growing and preaching the Gospel. All I'm saying is, hold your criticsm until you see it for yourself.

*** EDIT EDIT

Brian, I was just thinking (as I went down the hall to grab some pop-tarts) that you shouldn't discourage this young man by attacking his claim that he's been a Christian from birth... but instead get into the bible and show him that he needs to make a decision for Christ himself. I can't help about thinking about Cornelius' family... his whole household came to know the Lord, which means that it's possible even for children to be included in the decision that their parents make... but they have to affirm that same decision themselves when the time comes.

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vico Apr 27, 2007

"The Heavenly Man" is a book i would definitely recommend. Thanks a lot for all the information guys. I've really appreciated it.

the least of all,
~vico

sermonindex Apr 27, 2007


BrianMira wrote:
ok... now I need to know more.

This guy seems to know absolutely nothing about underground churches. He insists that no such thing exists. He did mention that his church is a government church and that he has been a Christian since birth... :-(

What are the differences between the government churches and true Christian underground churches, which seem to be suffering.

I've also heard reports of Chinese Christians claiming to be Christians from birth or because a family member is preacher or such and such. Sounds kind of like America... :-?
But I have wondered if because of a lack of Bibles there has been a lack of solid doctrine in China.

Also, in the registered churches there are books of the Bible that are prohibited from being taught or preached from, like Daniel and Revelation.

In regards to Vico's original question, some friends that just visited China told me that when they went into a bookstore in China they didn't see any Bibles, but I don't think it was a Christian bookstore.

sermonindex Apr 27, 2007

Since their English is not that good and neither is my Chinese, does anyone know where I can direct them... or suggestions as to what to say or ask?

ie.. general questions or comments..
Chinese websites
tracts

God Bless,
Brian

sermonindex Apr 27, 2007

Iansmith said

but the house churches definitely do live with more authority because they're not afraid.
That was my implication!! Thanks for pointing that out. ;-)

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Denny Apr 27, 2007

Hi,

Bibles are still scarce in China. The official line is that they are being printed and are readily available to anyone who wants them.

The problem is that Underground Christians would have to register themselves with the State "Church" to get a Bible. Faithful believers who seak to serve Christ as Lord in all aspects of their lives will run into problems with the government, so it is not safe to be registered and known to have a Bible in your possession.

The number of Bibles being printed is nowhere near enough to supply the great need even if they were freely available. I have been to China several times to smuggle Bibles in and pass them off to underground believers. They risk much to travel to our meeting location receive the Bibles. If they could just buy them where they were, they would have no reason to risk life and freedom to get them.

In many parts of China, there are no Bibles at all. In North western China, I have met educated people that had never even heard of Christianity or the name of Jesus.

World Missionary Press prints gospel literature in many languages including Chinese. Check them out at http://www.wmpress.org/index.shtml[url=http://www.wmpress.org/index.shtml]World Missionary Press[/url]

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