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A Presbyterian Warns Against “Progressive” Christianity

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roadsign Apr 27, 2007

I was delighted to read a recent article on the “Renewal” page of the denominational magazine, the “Presbyterian Record”.

I trust that you will be encouraged to know that there are voices out there which are challenging people to think and rethink.

Enjoy:

Affirming Christ - Progressive Christians are indulging in the same vanities St. Paul rejected.
by Calvin Brown

Now retired, the famous civil rights pastor Bishop John H. Adams in a recent Web article notes that progressive Christianity is not limited to a single theology. Dr. Douglas Ottati of Union Theology Seminary in Richmond, Va., speaks of progressive theology as a conglomeration of theologies, among which are process, liberal, Christian realist, liberationists, feminist, black, womanist, and Minjung, a Korean philosophy that is a radical re-interpretation of Christianity. However, while it named progressive, it is in no way committed to the traditional creeds and expressions of Christian faith revealed in Scriptures. In fact it is considered a sign of your “maturity” if you leave all that behind and make up your own mind.

Christian heritage and tradition is merely a starting point and the impression from the progressives is that the sooner you move on from it the more enriched in spirituality you will be. Of course, it has great appeal, because it reflects completely the “spirit of the age’ in which all truth is relative and we are arbiters of truth. It is a form of neo-Gnosticism (the Gnostics were an early anti-church group that the apostles and early church fathers denounced as being in serious error). Their teaching is that we do not have any authority that has the right to demand our loyalty, including the word of God.

The website for the Canadian Centre for Progressive Christianity lists eight belief points. Number three states: “We are loyal only to our own spiritual conclusions that comes from ‘diverse sources of wisdom, regarding all as fallible human expressions open to our evaluation of their potential contributions to our individual and communal lives’ “ Point four continues saying that they “find more meaning in the search for understanding than in the arrival at certainty, in the questions than in the answers.”

This is perhaps the greatest distinction between the worldview of the traditional Christian teaching and the resurrected old Gnostic point of view of these progressives.

The evangelical view is found in Living Faith. In Chapter Five (“The Bible”) we read, “The Bible has been given to us by the inspiration of God to be the rule of faith and life. It is the standard of all doctrine by which we must test any word that comes to us from church, world, or inner experience. We subject to its judgment all we believe and do. Through the Scriptures the church is bound only to Jesus Christ in King and Head. He is the living Word of God to whom the written word bears witness.”

It is important to recognize that an examination of the faith, and even some forms of doubt are a legitimate form of spiritual questing. That is a very long way, however, from saying that the meaning of life is found in the question and not in the answers. This reminds me of the vain philosophies St. Paul rejected in his day. They are vain because, as he said, they are always seeking but never coming to an answer. It is not in seeking that we find meaning but in Christ who is the YES, in Christ who is the answer – the Way, the Truth, and the Life.


The progressives scold evangelicals for being too sure of their faith, too outdated in their values and out of step with modern understanding, while evangelicals find the progressives’ continual questioning of the lordship of Christ, the efficacy of Jesus’ atoning death, and the rejecting of the Bible as the final authority for the believer to be disconcerting at best and a dangerous attempt at undermining the faith at worst.

Rev Calvin Brown is the Executive Director of the Renewal Fellowship within the Presbyterian Church of Canada.

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InTheLight Apr 27, 2007

It is not in seeking that we find meaning but in Christ who is the YES, in Christ who is the answer – the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Amen! Great quote and an insightful article, thanks for posting this.

In Christ,

Ron

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roadsign Apr 27, 2007

…an insightful article

And strategic. This is a ray of light in a denomination that where many are tempted to "go progressive" in the face of declining enrolements. Also noteworthy, I think, is the fact that it arises from one of the leaders within.

Diane

sermonindex Apr 27, 2007

The Presbytarian church is actually split into two denominations. It's basically two denomination sharing the same name.

One one side you have the fundamentalist, strongly Calvinistic, and at times KJV-Only Presbytarians...

...and on the other side you have the "we dont think the Bible is literal", sodomite ordaining, liberal Presbytarians.

The second ones are really not that for from the Unitarian Universalist "Church".

Krispy

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
The Presbytarian church is actually split into two denominations. It's basically two denomination sharing the same name.

One one side you have the fundamentalist, strongly Calvinistic, and at times KJV-Only Presbytarians...

...and on the other side you have the "we dont think the Bible is literal", sodomite ordaining, liberal Presbytarians.

The second ones are really not that for from the Unitarian Universalist "Church".

Krispy

And this side of the Pond are the English Presbyterians and the Calvinistic Methodists (= Welsh Presbyterians). Both of which are also divided into the same two groups you mentioned.

There's a Presbyterian church (always Welsh here because its Wales :-P ) at the end of my road that has real good Gospel posters outside.

So there's hope for them yet!

I think the theological pendulum has swung a little back to the "right" in recent years. It was beginning when I was in the Presbyterian college. For example, Bultmann (who appeared to disbelieve almost anything miraculous) was beginning to be out of favour.

And a local church I used to go to preach in those days began to have some real life creep back into it too.

Reminds me of Isaiah 42:3

[i][color=000066] A bruised reed He will not break,
And smoking flax He will not quench...[/color][/i]

Jeannette

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roadsign Apr 28, 2007

It was beginning when I was in the Presbyterian college.

Jeanette, when were you in the Presb. college? I wouldn't mind learning a bit of your history.

I’ve been trying to measure the climate of the Presb colleges here, and find it hard to do so from the outside. There is such a smorgasbord of views floating around. So far I have not been impressed with Knox College in Toronto. Yet I think that the president of the Montreal College is an authentic Bible-believing Christian. In fact, when I emailed him asking for recommendations regarding my particular interest of study, he steered me towards an evangelical college – which surprised me.

It seems like the various denominational colleges share professors, courses, credits, etc, as if there’s a big melting pot going on. That would have its pros and cons – as not only false views, but also good ones are exposed to students and faculty. I am thrilled that solid Biblical, Spirit-filled leaders are given a voice in the Presb. College – invited to be seminar guests, etc.

The reason I like the article I posted is that it is written in a respectful and scholarly way. It is not an indiscriminate barrage of denouncements (which would have merely been ignored), but very informative, well-researched, and yet convicting. I appreciated the way neo-Gnosticism was pointed out.

Right now our denomination is going through a significant time of transition, as it realizes that without major change, it will soon die out. Various views are being studied – even in my own church. So far our church officially threw out Purpose Driven – after studying it, but is now studying “Experiencing God” by Blackeby. I gave a big plug for that one, and am praying that these teachings will “stick” – even though it has an obvious Baptist orientation.

I pray that God continues to raise up many Godly voices in the Presbyterian denomination; AND that many take seriously the many exhortations to return to the word of God.

Diane

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crsschk Apr 28, 2007

it is in no way committed to the traditional creeds and expressions of Christian faith revealed in Scriptures. In fact it is considered a sign of your “maturity” if you leave all that behind and make up your own mind.

Egads ...

“We are loyal only to our own spiritual conclusions that comes from ‘diverse sources of wisdom, regarding all as fallible human expressions open to our evaluation of their potential contributions to our individual and communal lives’

[i]open to [u]our[/u] evaluation of their potential contributions to [u]our[/u] individual and communal lives’[/i]

The progressives scold evangelicals for being too sure of their faith, too outdated in their values and out of step with modern understanding, while evangelicals find the progressives’ continual questioning of the lordship of Christ, the efficacy of Jesus’ atoning death, and the rejecting of the Bible as the final authority for the believer to be disconcerting at best and a dangerous attempt at undermining the faith at worst.

That is a grand understatement no? It's horror, it's ghastly, it's ... heartbreak.
a conglomeration of theologies

In fact it is considered a sign of your “maturity” if you leave all that behind and make up your own mind.

What is so staggering is to just recognize how ... recognizable this truly is.

Jdg 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

How peculiar not to notice how historical this 'progressiveness' truly is. To put something here sideways ... Are we thankful? I do not mean pointedly, but truly aware of just how important all that is freely given, this pulling back the reigns of runaway thought that has permeated ... 'Christianity'. I am recalling an interview I heard some years ago, I believe it was Os Guinness who said he no longer wished to be know as a "Christian" any longer due to what the meaning has become, rather simply as a follower of Jesus. The largeness of appreciation grows more everyday that while not being an end to or of itself, this roadside stand in the Old Path is so vitally important ... Oh thank God dear saints! This preservation and resurrection of vital truth and yes [i]Historicity[/i] is to my understanding, the very point left just before the breaking of the branch to where men thought it better and more intelligent to ... decide for themselves [i]who[/i] God is, [i]what[/i] He meant, [i]why[/i] He sent His one and only Son, all that to where now the effect and effort is far beyond even,

Mar 7:6 But He answered and said to them, Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.

to the point where there is no honoring even on their lips! To read it again ...

[i]“We are loyal only to our own spiritual conclusions that comes from ‘diverse sources of wisdom, regarding all as fallible human expressions open to our evaluation of their potential contributions to our individual and communal lives’[/i]

Oh dear people, there is such a thankfulness that rises up and out into even unspoken extrapolation. It is not just 'here' but by way of the things, no, the treasures unearthed and brought back to light that this age wants to buy and [i]move on[/i] from. What I mean is the greater works done before this ... breach ... that you good people bring forth as well. The searching for these buried treasures to be given away at this roadside stand, the 'links' elsewhere to shared sentiment of Gods truth, the exalting of the Lord Jesus Christ in souls that [b]love[/b] [i]Him[/i]. It may be an uphill ... battle, the digging and dusting off of spiritual archaeological finds that are being covered over with mounds of this ages [i]dirt[/i] but .... We just do not know the true half of it I am convinced, the sheer importance of all this.

Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

May be waxing creatively with words here but I do wonder at a world and even more so at a christendom that doesn't recognize it's heritage, but more perplexing is the seemingly little thankfulness for just the most remarkable things.

In this part of he globe the sun is shinning and looks to be yet another [i]beautiful[/i] day. To hear the exclamation, the verbalization of that fact and wonder at ... thankful to [i]whom[/i]? To accidental evolution? To a 'mature' understanding of ... nothing? [i]Nobody[/i]? Some vague 'providence'?

It is certainly one thing that the world has such a fuzzy logic and arbitrary 'god' crafted in whatever imagination their 'intellect' decides for themselves ... But for 'christians'?

Oh my ... we are on the low end of things. Sorry for the digression here, my heart is bittersweet and yet full of wonder and great thankfulness, it is just bursting with gratitude for so much. To God for yet another [i]chance[/i] to die to this worlds confusion and allurements, to let go of yet another false construct and renewing of the mind, [i]the mind of Christ[/i]. For food and water and shelter and every micro neglected 'little' thing that is taken for granted by the world at large ... For every gem unearthed and shared like the Brethren of Acts,

Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

For this truly profound and prayed ever expanding truth;

I trust that you will be encouraged to know that there are voices out there which are challenging people to think and rethink.

Thank you sister.

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roadsign wrote:
It was beginning when I was in the Presbyterian college.

Jeanette, when were you in the Presb. college? I wouldn't mind learning a bit of your history.

Sent you a pm, as its a bit off topic

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