Someone asked me the other day to recommend a good arminian based
commentary…I said Adam Clarke.
They asked for more…I said I didn’t know of any.
So I ask…do you?
Someone asked me the other day to recommend a good arminian based
commentary…I said Adam Clarke.
They asked for more…I said I didn’t know of any.
So I ask…do you?
A bit dated, but John Wesley's.
Thanks Jimmy, I forgot about that.
Is Arminian theology fading out?
I mean are there any recent, 30 years or so, Aminian commentaries?
I never really thought about it until now.
I don't know of anyone except Wesley, but would like to make a suggestion: ;-)
If you are tending towards Armenianism get a Calvinistic commentary and study it.
If you are tending towards Calvinism, get an Armenian commentary and study it.
If you aren't sure, get both.
Either way - if you don't throw the book out of the window first - you will probably end up being a bit more balanced in your theology on the subject!
Jeannette :-P
If you are in the third group you can do weight lifting with a book in each hand. That really would be balanced!
LittleGift wrote:
I don't know of anyone except Wesley, but would like to make a suggestion: ;-)If you are tending towards Armenianism get a Calvinistic commentary and study it.
If you are tending towards Calvinism, get an Armenian commentary and study it.
If you aren't sure, get both.
Either way - if you don't throw the book out of the window first - you will probably end up being a bit more balanced in your theology on the subject!
Jeannette :-P
Sorry, but I just can't take Armenianism vs Calvinism very seriously any more. After wrestling with the subject for several years I eventually decided that both predestination and free will are true, and only God understands how that's possible.
Blessings
jeannette
After wrestling with the subject for several years I eventually decided that both predestination and free will are true, and only God understands how that's possible.
I have have all the commentaries I need.
I was just wondering out loud about the Arminian thing
There are so few Arminian commentaries available today because:
A) Arminianism falters when the context is presented.
B) Arminians have tried, but become Calvinists once they get to Romans.
C) Arminians have so many differing views they can't agree on what Arminianism means.
D) They are too busy seeking the lost to worry about writing commentaries.
:-P
I mean are there any recent, 30 years or so, Aminian commentaries?
I'm no expert on commentaries, but it seems to me these days commentaries tend to be written by a single author concerning a single book of the Bible. Gone are the days where men publish full blown commentaries on the entire Bible.
However, to get an idea of what commentaries out there are coming from what perspective, I came across this little gem in seminary called:
"New Testament Commentary Survey" by D. A. Carson.
This book survey's commentaries, tells the strengths and weaknesses, and tells the general perspective of each commentator.
In my opinion, most evangelical commentaries come from a Reformed point of view, as most commentaries are written by academics, who tend to be of Reformed persuasion, as those of the Reformed persuasion have prided themselves on their standing within the academy.
A) Arminianism falters when the context is presented.
B) Arminians have tried, but become Calvinists once they get to Romans.
I don't call myself an Arminian; he was far too Calvinist for my tastes.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Adam Clarke is good. Ralph Earle has put out an abridgment of the 6 volumes. Also, Wesleyan Publishing House puts out a series of commentaries and also [url=http://wesleyanbooks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=WB&Category_Code=C]Schmul Publishing[i]Wesleyan
HAHAHA, Hi Jay, I thought you would turn up sooner or later :-P
JaySaved wrote:
There are so few Arminian commentaries available today because:A) Arminianism falters when the context is presented.
B) Arminians have tried, but become Calvinists once they get to Romans.
C) Arminians have so many differing views they can't agree on what Arminianism means.
D) They are too busy seeking the lost to worry about writing commentaries.:-P
That's very good! Although only one of my hands agrees with you, the other is busy hefting the Armenian tome.
The Calvinism one is the heavier I think. All Martin Lloyd-Jones' commentaries on Romans must weigh a good bit for a start. What does it say in Ecclesiastes about the endless "making of many books"? A chap in the Christian Union in college had all of MLJ on Romans - a whole shelf full...
Blessings
Jeannette
Quote:A) Arminianism falters when the context is presented.
B) Arminians have tried, but become Calvinists once they get to Romans.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------If this is true I must not be the Arminian I thought I was!
Ditto!
he was far too Calvinist for my tastes
Ron, I've seen you say this before. Can you expound on this a little? (I am not trying to hijack the thread, so we can start a new one or if you've done so elsewhere, just point in the right direction!)
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The last outstanding Wesleyan theologian in my view was a man named Richard S. Taylor, who wrote a number of excellent works before his death in 2006. A.M. Hills was also a 20th century theologian, whom I've enjoyed and a number of his articles are on this site. His explanation concerning 1 John 1 is quite good...
J. Kenneth Grider was also a prominent theologian, who also died in 2006 and some of his writings are quite good and others not as good. Henry Orton Wiley was also a prominent 20th century holiness-style theologian.
This is far from a all-inclusive list but I believe the one I enjoy the best is John Wesley, because his theology was more practical and less intellectual...
Just my opinion for what little that's worth...
KingJimmy wrote:
A bit dated, but John Wesley's.
Who cares if they're dated! :-D I use them a lot.
Jordan
Who cares if they're dated!
No doubt they are still of much value. However, I think one should realize that scholarly discoveries have been made since those days that would probably cause these older commentaries to draw slightly different conclusions regarding passages had they known some of the things we know today.
Ron, I've seen you say this before. Can you expound on this a little? (I am not trying to hijack the thread, so we can start a new one or if you've done so elsewhere, just point in the right direction!)
The Five Articles of the Remonstrants were:[b]Article I[b]Article II[b]Article III
# Article IV — That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of an good, even to this extent, that the regenerate man himself, without that prevenient or assisting; awakening, following, and co-operative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil; so that all good deeds or movements that can be conceived must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. But, as respects the mode of the operation of this grace, it is not irresistible, inasmuch as it is written concerning many that they have resisted the Holy Ghost,—Acts vii, and elsewhere in many places.[b]Article V
I bet you wished you hadn’t asked. :-D
Articles 3 and 4 above still seem to suggest that regeneration precedes faith.
This is an interesting idea that I have always been amazed at. The thinking goes that since we are dead in sin, we are unable to respond to God in anyway whatsoever. Thus, God must save us and regenerate us so as to make us able to respond to God.
What I find so interesting about this idea is that the Calvinist still holds that the preaching of the word, faith, and repentance are still a necessary thing. It seems an inconsistent thing to me. If we are saved before we are saved by faith, then how is it that the Calvinist believes in sola fide?
What I find so interesting about this idea is that the Calvinist still holds that the preaching of the word, faith, and repentance are still a necessary thing. It seems an inconsistent thing to me.
For the Calvinist regeneration is the start of everything and everything else proceeds from regeneration. So because man is dead the first step, they say, must be for God to raise the dead... hence regeneration. From this sovereign act of regeneration everything else flows... faith, repentance, conversion... all are possible only to the regenerated.
God still requires faith but that is only available to the regenerated. Do they then have a choice to believe or not? This is where 'irresistible grace' kicks in. Those who have been elected and had payment paid for their sins will inevitably believe; so says the Calvinist.
There are a couple of quotes from Wesley and Whitefield that I like to see together, although I think Whitefield's is the sweeter...
Whitefield, asked by a censorious Calvinist whether he thought they might see John Wesley in heaven, replied; "I fear not. He will be so near the throne and we shall be at such a distance that we shall hardly get a sight of him."
Wesley..."had come to know many believers in predestination whose real Christian experience could not be denied..." and added...that this fact stared him "...in the face and was clear proof that predestination is only an opinion, not subversive of the very foundations of Christian experience, but compatible with a love to Christ and a genuine work of grace. Yes, many hold it at whose feet I desire to be found in the day of the Lord Jesus."
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