Past Jewish Popes?

I am wondering: does anyone know if there have been Jewish Popes?

Thanks ian and Jay.

You now have me curious as to why you were curious.

I have some other posts to make about a dream I had after the wedding I went to on the last Saturday of April...

Let me do a bit of my own research before answering. I'll come back to this, maybe another day, as my time online is limited.

Thanks for your patience.

lamuskrat said

A true Jew rejects Christ completely and His name is a disdain to them.

I gotta say your response stops me in my tracks!

You [i]believe[/i] this?

What about Paul's definition of a [u]true[/u] Jew?

Romans 2:29
but [i]he is[/i] a Jew who [i]is one[/i] inwardly; and circumcision [i]is that[/i] of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise [i]is[/i] not from men but from God.

So how can a Jew with rejection of Christ rule a church based on the gospel message of Christ.

Do you [i]really[/i] believe the Catholic church preaches the 'gospel message of Christ'?

Wow, there is some really bad terminology being batted around here.

First off... the Catholic Church is not based on the gospel of Jesus Christ, as one person has asserted. It is based on the false religion of pagan idoltry and works. The mass is a blasphemey.

So considering this, it really doesnt matter if there were ever any Jewish Popes because the papacy is a spiritually impotent entity.

I think we can all agree here that Peter was never a "pope". He was never the head of any church, Jesus has always been the head of the church. In fact, contrary to Catholic teachings, there is absolutely [b]zero[/b] evidence that Peter even set foot in Rome... therefore, he is not even buried in that big idolatrous cathedral they have built in Rome over his supposed "grave".

I think if Peter could see what the Catholic Church has done in his name he would probably have one of those moments where he spoke his mind... and had to ask forgiveness later.

Sooo... how is it relevent to Biblical Christianity if there ever has been any Jews to hold the murderous office of Pope? It's about as relevent as asking how many presidents there have been in the Mormon church... who cares?

Just my 2 cents worth...

Krispy

Jay,

I'll explain, soon, what was in my mind when I posted the thread.

But, let me say this - that I find it hard to believe there have been no Jewish converts to Catholicism, although we may never know of them.

lamustrat,

I hope my amazement has not put you off replying, or, (even) rethinking what you said about Jews.... who, surely, generation after generation have had their converts to Christ?

lamuskrat said

No I have not been turned off by your remarks.

My point was/is a PRACTICING ORTHODOX (NOT BORN AGAIN)Jew rejects Christ TOTALLY... Guess I over simplified.

Rahman said

Lustiger is the only Catholic prelate in modern times who was born, and is still considered, Jewish ...

This cardinal was at one time thought maybe to be the next Pope after JP II ...

EDIT: from the Wikipedia link:

'A first-rate communicator, Lustiger was particularly attentive to the media and developed Catholic radio and television channels. Lustiger also created a new seminary for the training of priests, by-passing the existing arrangements...'

Jay,

Thank you for your patience.

The reason I asked the question is that some time ago, I read:

Daniel 11:37*
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Not being familiar with the detail of this prophecy (still), 'God of his fathers' made me think immediately there must be a Hebrew connection.

The 'nor the desire of women' made me think of homosexual leanings. These may be overt (in this case), or at least can be promoted [i]or suppressed[/i] through celibacy.

But, I see that Daniel's references to 'saints' could make 'God of his fathers' a reference to a person of [i]Christian[/i] (fore)fathers, including gentile background. (We know no-one is [i]born into this world[/i], already a Christian), However, to Daniel, 'God of his fathers' might be more likely to mean 'Jewish'.

One thing is certain, I believe; there is an implication it will be possible to recognise this* combination of signs when they occur.

This reminds me of something Jesus says in John 10:

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, [u]seeth the wolf coming[/u], and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

I was fascinated to realise that a hireling has enough spiritual perception to [i]recognise[/i] a wolf when he sees one.

How many [i]Christians[/i] can be taken in both by the hireling [i]and[/i] the wolf? (Or, do we really believe that can't happen to [i]us?[/i])

Linn, are you thinking that there's a possibility that either the Antichrist, (or the False Prophet?) of Revelation could be a Jewish pope?

If so it would make sense.

You mentioned the Daniel reference of him having no interest in women as perhaps meaning he would be homosexual, but that wouldn't necessarily be so. They say that power, for some people, is a far more important driving force than even the sexual drive. In fact I've heard that some have such a lust for power that they aren't all that interested in sex. Though they may use sex to manipulate and control (especially women (like Jezebel? She had her husband under her thumb, however she did it!)

Blessings

Jeannette

Jeanette said

but that wouldn't necessarily be so

.. are you thinking that there's a possibility that either the Antichrist... of Revelation could be a Jewish pope?

(or the False Prophet?)