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What should a Christian do when overtaken by a particular sin?

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Here4Him May 25, 2007

What should a Christian do when overtaken by a particular sin, i mean so overtaken that there are nearly drowing in it and it has risen up from the place where once it was put down and mortified to dominate the person and overwhelm and even control them. I mean to the degree where a man or woman cant seem to get free of this one sin and this sin has seemingly sucked all the spiritual life out of the person so it feels as though there is none left.

What should a Christian do when a sin has thus overtaken them. To back this up scripturely i refer to Galatians 6:1 and would appreciate your comments on this verse.

"Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted."

Can a true Christian indeed by so overtaken by any particular sin that it begins to enslave him or her again? Or is this a definite sign that the person was never truly saved and currently is lost? Again i would refer you back to Gal 6:1 for the correct interpretation of it and also Psalm 40:12 when the usually godly David says:

"For innumerable evils have surrounded me;My iniquities have overtaken me, so that I am not able to look up; They are more than the hairs of my head; Therefore my heart fails me."

So what should the Christian do in this situation where his or her heart has been hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, his conscience desensitised to sin and His power to morify sin almost non existant and his will to do so losing to his will to sin. When that sin is no longer followed by such extremes of remorse and godly sorrow as it once was when he first committed it?

Is there hope for such a person?

sermonindex May 25, 2007


It is [b]not[/b] God's will for Christians to be dominated or ruled over by sin. God wrote the epistle of 1 John that "we sin not"!!

"My little children, these things write I unto you [b]that ye sin not[/b].." - 1 John 2:1

Never make a treaty with sin, if you don't flee from it and weep over it you are in danger of hell-fire. If you are truly born of the spirit of God you will never be "at peace" in sin.

Here is a exhoration I hope really is sobering in this situation:

"But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness." - 1 Timothy 6:11

FLEE!!!!! I recommend you listen to this message below:

[b]God's Bloodhound by Rolfe Barnard[/b]
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=15385

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roaringlamb May 25, 2007

Brother/Sister?
Though the Scriptures alone are our source for truth, God has providentially left a witness through men of the past who truly walked with God, and instructed the people of God. Below are links to three books written by Puritan authors that are a very great blessing. If you cannot afford to buy them, look for them on the web, they are wonderful.
[url=http://www.monergismbooks.com/bruisedreed.html]The Bruised Reed[/url]

[url=http://www.monergismbooks.com/allthings4782.html]All Things For Good[/url]

If you can only afford one, get this one
[url=http://www.monergismbooks.com/liftingup2984.html]A Lifting Up For The Downcast[/url]

And just to kind of kick your thoughts into gear, did God ever cast off Israel. or did He chasten them to drive out the rebellion? Has He changed?
Not making any excuses for sin, but also knowing there are times that even our sin though not authored by God is used to chasten us and drive us to Christ. Thus we can trust that all things are working together for good.

The bottom line is if the person is grieved and fighting against this sin, or if the fight has gone out, and like the pig takes to the mud so this one takes to this sin, and abides in it comfortably. However though pigs love mud, cats do not and will immediately clean themselves. Nature dictates which is which. I hope you see the point in this poor illustration.

sermonindex May 25, 2007

The bottom line is if the person is grieved and fighting against this sin, or if the fight has gone out, and like the pig takes to the mud so this one takes to this sin, and abides in it comfortably. However though pigs love mud, cats do not and will immediately clean themselves. Nature dictates which is which. I hope you see the point in this poor illustration.

I believe if there is any conviction or "fight" in the person they need to be strongly exhorated to flee from the wrath to come and the sin that wants to drag them to hell. Sinning is not playing games but is a dangerous evil that is unmeasurable. The only accurate measurement is the death of God's own Son. We need to think of sin as it is.

I highly recommend you read this article also:

[b]THE GREAT SINFULNESS OF SIN by Greg Gordon[/b]
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=15668&forum=16

sermonindex May 25, 2007

Just look to the Saviour.

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roaringlamb May 25, 2007

I believe if there is any conviction or "fight" in the person they need to be strongly exhorated to flee from the wrath to come and the sin that wants to drag them to hell. Sinning is not playing games but is a dangerous evil that is unmeasurable. The only accurate measurement is the death of God's own Son. We need to think of sin as it is.

It is a shame that we have lost that very idea of "the sinfulness of sin" and how great our Saviour is to save from sin. Because of our low view of sin, we have a low view of the Deliverer. May god help us to see the great offence of our sin, and as you said "flee" straight to the Mercy Seat of God.

It is hard to flee from what entices, and thus may God also change the desires of our hearts, and grant us grace not only to flee, but to fight, and keep under this fallen body of death.

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Baohongen May 25, 2007

The brother in 1 Corintians 5:1 was overtaken by sin. I wonder if he may be the repentant one mentioned in 2 Corinthians 2:6-7. Paul told them to "hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord."
I do not claim to fully understand what all that means. I have found some cases though where I felt it was important that the church let the Holy Spirit work instead of trying to "save" the sinner from his misery. Sometimes in church we try to rescue people from the consequences of their sin rather than let the Holy Spirit use those to bring them to repentance. In all things we must let the Spirit lead.
Paul continually called the church away from sin to live in the fullness of their calling in Christ. I expect he gave that call to sincere Christians as the Galatians 6 passage warns that even the spiritual persons who attempt to restore others must be careful of temptation.
One final point that I would like to add to the discussion: It is important to note that those passages that relate to church discipline have the goal of restoration in mind. Sin is incredibly destructive, and we should never let it find a home in our hearts, but when we see a brother or sister enslaved again, our heart's desire ought to be for their restoration. Any action we take must be motivated with that heart.

sermonindex May 25, 2007

Hi Here4Him,

It is tempting for a Christian to wonder if they ever were saved, or to begin to think of victory as unattainable. But before there can be the victory which would assure them salvation is at work in their life, they must have made a decision deep in their heart, to do whatever it takes to be delivered, and, for them to expect their co-operation with God to be tested.

This matter of reaching a decision is something they do in their heart with God. They may ask for someone else to hear confession of this decision, so the enemy can't play with their mind afterwards, but, the outworking of that decision has to be the responsibility of the Christian who needs victory. They have to be [i]set[/i] on obtaining the victory in fact.

This word 'set' appears in phrases like 'set his heart upon', 'set his mind to', 'set sail', or, as God has 'set His love on us', which make the outcome more of a foregone conclusion, because of the [i]setting[/i] which has already been done.

Till that state of heart is reached, and the need for that setting been acknowledged by the 'sinner', not much change is likely.

But, there is an additional burden of bondage to be broken in the outworking of the setting. This happens through repeated acts of [i]not sinning[/i] and may take all the longer to work through, the more often the sin has been committed.

This may not be the same for someone who has committed the same sin in ignorance, then been saved, then stopped the sin for good.

The breaking of bondage is the work of a few honest words before God, but, the outworking of the release is genuine sweat and tears, while the body is forced (by the Christian) to do God's will again and again and again and again. No compromise. No short cuts. No relapses.

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ReviveUsLord May 25, 2007

Here4Him wrote:
What should a Christian do when overtaken by a particular sin, i mean so overtaken that there are nearly drowing in it and it has risen up from the place where once it was put down and mortified to dominate the person and overwhelm and even control them. I mean to the degree where a man or woman cant seem to get free of this one sin and this sin has seemingly sucked all the spiritual life out of the person so it feels as though there is none left.

I think the reason this has happened is perhaps found in the last paragraph you wrote:

So what should the Christian do in this situation where his or her heart has been hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, his conscience desensitised to sin and His power to morify sin almost non existant and his will to do so losing to his will to sin. When that sin is no longer followed by such extremes of remorse and godly sorrow as it once was when he first committed it?

Deceitfulness of sin is usually greater in our weak areas and that's exactly where we're tempted to sin. If we are not at watch for the roaring lion, which "walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" we are open to be seduced to sin.

Now I don't think it's a matter of salvation, though such doubts can arise in the heart, since you say that in the beginning this sin caused great "remorse and godly sorrow", so I don't think this person is comfortable in this sin even though the heart is more hardened now. The heart is hardened because this sin has occured more times but is the conscience fully pacified and at home with it?

While I agree with my brethren who replied before me that we have to think of sin as it is, a great dangerous evil, so great that it costed the very death of God's Son, I think we need to equally remember God's "ready to forgive" nature when we repent.

Psa 86:5 For thou, Lord, [art] good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.

Mic 7:18 Who [is] a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth [in] mercy.

I think it's very important to have the right attitude about God before you try to deal with the problem. God is always FOR us and wants us to overcome sin and he has given us all that is necessary for that (2Pe.1:3). He is our helper in overcoming temptation, our father that awaits us expectantly with open arms to return to Him, and not the one who condemns us (Rom.8:34). Keeping this in mind will keep us off the "struggling" thoughts, where we focus on ourselves as if we were expected to overcome sin by our own efforts.
I'd like to share some thoughts from O.Chambers that spoke to me recently:
"We are in danger of forgetting that we cannot do what God does, and that God will not do what we can do. We cannot save nor sanctify ourselves— God does that. But God will not give us good habits or character, and He will not force us to walk correctly before Him." (you can read the rest of the article [url=http://www.rbc.org/utmost/index.php?month=05&day=10&year=07]here[/url].)

So having this clear in mind, then I think can we set our heart on obtaining the victory as dorcas said, and do all that it is in our hands to avoid this sin and flee from it.

I think that the greatest victory over sin is obtainable when we focus our mind on the things of God, when we fill our heart with meditations upon Him (His nature), which will help us realize the awful nature of sin and God's hatred of it and at the same time will help us set our whole heart not to sin and allow to be led by the Spirit of God.

sermonindex May 26, 2007

What should a Christian do when overtaken by a particular sin
The purpose of your besetting sin is to drive you to the LORD. The only solution is the word of God and prayer. There are those who believe in the deliverance ministry of casting out devils. I've been in deliverance sessions having the so called devil cast out of me for a certain besetting sin to no avail. However the LORD has told me to dig into the word and to seek His face.

This all sounds great in theory, but when you've sinned, you feel terrible and the last thing you want to do is read the bible or even pray. But I want to drive the thought home, we need to get our minds off ourselves. Sin is a real issue in our lives, and Jesus Christ paid the ransom for our sins HE IS WORTHY TO TAKE AWAY OUR SINS. In other words, HE DESIRES YOU TO COME TO HIM AND MAKE CONFESSION. When you make confession, WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT HE INDEED TOOK AWAY OUR SINS AND THAT HE IS LORD.

This is a great encouragment for the believer, instead of thinking that the LORD is displeased with us because we have failed, be encouraged, GO TO HIM IMMEDIATELY. When sin is not confessed and we don't turn from it immediately and we wallow in our thinking that God will not forgive me because I've sinned too much this time, we are giving strength to that sin, and the temptation will come again and you will give in to it more easily.

Settle it in your mind and be done with it. I know what I am talking about. Your looking at at a "sin -repent" man. I'd do the same thing over and over again and the grace of God has extended to me time and time again and were talking about years here. God is merciful, not willing any of us should perish. The grace of God is meant to bring us to the glory of God, but faith needs to be exibited to get there.

And don't do what I used to do, condemn yourself. Calling yourself "stupid", and and the profanity that came out of my mouth against myself was awful. Just shake yourself and IMMEDIATELY take it to the LORD.

This is not a formula, but this is what I have heard myself say after sin.

"WHAT in the WORLD am I doing, get a grip. This is not who I am, I am above this. I am dead to this!, Father forgive me of this, cleanse me now from all unrighteousness."
I may continue to say that over and over again because I am still reeling over the fact that I gave into that sin again.

We have no idea how much GOD IS FOR US. Sin is an easy thing for the LORD to deal with when we repent, because He bore it already on the cross. Therefore, keeping that in mind of how much the LORD is for us, we need to keep that in mind when we sin. RUN TO HIM!

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dohzman May 26, 2007

Is there hope for such a person?>>>>>NO! Just kidding.

So what should the Christian do in this situation where his or her heart has been hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, his conscience desensitised to sin and His power to morify sin almost non existant and his will to do so losing to his will to sin. When that sin is no longer followed by such extremes of remorse and godly sorrow as it once was when he first committed it?

I'm going to be overly simplistic here and give a scripture that's very easy to not only understand but also to do. Look Consider Embrace
and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. etc.....

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ADisciple May 26, 2007

There is much provision and wisdom and strength in the Word of God for this, as others are bringing forth. "I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and THE WORD OF GOD ABIDETH IN YOU, and ye have overcome the wicked one" (1 Jn. 2.13). There is the victory: the living Word of God resident within.

But I just want to emphasize one thing right where the rubber meets the road. The Devil is called The Tempter. That means dealing in a very radical way with the things he uses to tempt with.

God will do much. But what of our part? There's been defeat after defeat? Is it time to deal with the stumblingblocks?

TV a stumblingblock? Out with it!

Internet? Out with the computer! Or put it in the kitchen where Mom's eyes are on duty. (Or whoever.) Whatever fail-safe thing has to be done!

...Or whatever radical change needs to be made on a very practical level!

"Cleanse your hands, ye sinners, and purify your hearts, ye double-minded."

Those two things: the heart, the inward life. And the hands, the outward.

...There is hope! Dear Jesus, we pray for this brother. Impart grace to him, Lord. Pour in the wine and the oil into his wounded conscience, and heal it. Let his conscience be sprinkled and stained with the cleansing Blood that washes away the stains of sin! Cause him to put on the whole armour of God, and to stand in the battle, rejoicing in You as You rejoice in him! Grant him to draw nigh the Throne of Grace again, and find mercy, and help in time of need. In Jesus' Name, Amen.

"Let not conscience make you linger,
Not of fitness fondly dream:
All the fitness He requireth
Is to feel our need of Him."

AD

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Talkn2u May 26, 2007

One very powerful way to break the grasp of a Stronghold is Prayer and Fasting.

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roaringlamb May 26, 2007

Here are the words to a hymn by John Newton that are absolutely wonderful

Approach, my soul, the mercy seat,
Where Jesus answers prayer;
There humbly fall before His feet,
For none can perish there.

1. Thy promise is my only plea,
With this I venture nigh;
Thou callest burdened souls to Thee
And such, O Lord, am I.

2. Bowed down beneath a load of sin,
By Satan sorely pressed,
By wars without and fears within,
I come to Thee for rest.

3. Be Thou my shield and hiding place,
That, sheltered near Thy side,
I may my fierce accuser face,
And tell him Thou hast died!

4. O wondrous love! To bleed and die,
To bear the cross and shame,
That guilty sinners, such as I,
Might plead Thy gracious name!

Enjoy brethren :-D

sermonindex May 26, 2007

One very powerful way to break the grasp of a Stronghold is Prayer and Fasting.
Brother/Sister, that really sounds good, unless the LORD is directing you into that it may only end up being our will instead of His.

Let me explain, I have fasted and earnestly prayed many times in my life, the most was 24 days. I fasted for several reasons, but mainly to get rid of a besetting sin. Soon after the fast was over, BAM, there it was in full strength. During the fast it was like your walking on cloud nine, it was bliss. Persecution yes, tribulation yes, suffering yes, but you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is ruling and everything is ok. Sin is non exisitant in your life. Oh yes, temptation does come, but your spirit man is strong.

What I am saying is this, Prayer and Fasting is not a guarantee that you'll be free from a besetting sin. The only way is by the Word of God and Prayer, unless of course the LORD steers you into Fasting, but the word is still paramount.

I am finding this to be true in my own life. I have a besetting sin for far too long. And because of this sin it drove me away from the bible for a long period of time. Because I was frustrated with God and myself. But finally the wooing of the holy Spirit drew me back into the word of God and He INSTANTLY starts to open His word to me, thus causing me to dig deeper. The besetting sin (Only by His grace) has waned and the impact of it on my life is getting less and less, and it's all due in part to Faith in not trying to please God with my works but simple faith, and listening to what the Spirit is saying and not what my carnal mind 'thinks' the word is saying.

Brother/Sister, don't think I am critizing your quote, it's a good and holy thing to practice praying and fasting.

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Here4Him May 26, 2007

Can i thank you all for your comments and concerns and exhortations and prayers. I have really felt God's grace at work in my soul over the last 24 hours. I was driving along in my car last night and something came over me and i just started crying out to God at the top of my voice, weeping over my sin and crying to Him for mercy- this was all while i was still driving until i later pulled in.

"He restoreth my soul".

This is a battle, im well aware of the serious nature of the battle, as i read in John Owen recently 'be killing sin or sin will be killing you'. Well sin was starting to kill me so i must have an all out offensive on it in the power of Christ's Spirit. Thats why today i just lay there before Him and cried to Him for grace and help because this was too much for me. I must continue in this dependance for the rest of my life.

I found so much comfort and help from praying the hymns in the sction entitled 'Plea for grace and help' in Christian hymns. I could hardly find the words to pray myself, but those said it all and helped me come to Christ so much!

One thing i have learned is that the Hebrews 3 scripture about exhorting one another daily while it is called today is so vitally important, because otherwise it is so easy to get hardened by the deceitfulness of sin and that is such a terrible place to be in, that is why it must be avoided at all costs.

Thank you for the sermon, article and book suggestions, i will look into some of those.

Lets keep loving and exhorting one another while it is called today!

Love in Christ,

Here4Him

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ADisciple May 26, 2007

Do you have a brother or two you can go to and ask for help? I mean, besides this forum? One or two real "flesh and blood" brothers you can bare your heart to and pray with, and maybe set in place some kind of accountability plan? Maybe even move in with for a season? I don't know your personal circumstances.

AD

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crsschk May 26, 2007

If I may recommend the following:

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=17003&forum=34&post_id=&refresh=Go] Triumphant In Temptation ~ O. J. Finch, D.D.[/url]

I know there is often a slight gasp that goes up over 'long post's' and indeed this is one, yet it is rather a small book of seven chapters that contains perhaps even an unnoticed trick in the devils arsenal itself; Too [i]long[/i] and too [i]simple[/i]. In the authors own words at one point;

[i]Such facts may seem to be so simple as to cause them to be inconsequential[/i]

The point being that in reality this little treatise is not that long at all and presents some very basic and seemingly 'simple' facts. In all honesty the matter being addressed here, namely what to do after the fact and towards being [i]overtaken[/i] in a predominant sin is not specifically noted through this. However ...

There is without this exact addressing the answer and remedy I believe within it's context. Would point out that in the scenario given at the onset of this post something that comes up frequently enough and is often overlooked and that is the [i]desire[/i] [b]still[/b] to be rid of the predominant sin, even as it seems to be having the upper hand. There is still a 'fight' however weak and fragile. If I could put it differently, a hardened heart is not concerned about it's state of hardness.

It is likewise difficult to answer this in too much specific not knowing if we are dealing with a hypothetical or a personal admission. But to revert back here to the recommendation ...

The one thing we can always do is repent, as long as we have breath there is hope and there is provision made of forgiveness and starting over. Others here have already made mention of much of this and I would carry it perhaps a bit further. What is so amazing indeed about grace is in it's very difficulty of accepting it.

Knowing what is deserved, what ought to come as a result of sin, the pain involved in failure and displeasing the very Lord and God we proclaim and profess to love by either capitulating, presuming or being 'overtaken' by strong temptation and into the outworking, [i]sin[/i], is not to lessen the one for the remedy of the other. If I may, it is to stand or rather fall at the feet of the Lord and be utterly amazed that such a sin, any sin can be confessed and forgiven. It is the [u]amazement[/u] that it can [i][b]still[/b][/i] be so.

One of the best examples that I know of is with David after the tragedy, cover up and multiple sins of premeditated murder and adultery with Bathsheba;

[i]Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, [b]The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.[/b]

[u]Howbeit[/u], because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them. And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead. [b]Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.[/b]

Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread. And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD loved him.[/i] 2Sa 12:9-24

This whole discourse is so rich with understanding to isolate the one bit for emphasis I hope doesn't overshadow the context of the whole. The point I would be drawing to there is that of [i]starting over[/i] and where I would draw parallels to this recommendation of the small book linked. Know your enemy and know the power and understanding of your Saviour. Know that the [b]same[/b], [i]exact same[/i] Holy Spirit is He who resides in us who are truly His. A word about doubting here, since it was also mentioned in the original post. This whole OSAS business is gotten to be so far out into extremities as to, in my mind at least be a starting at the wrong end. Somewhere in the many continual discussions about this mentioned the absurdity on the one hand, the equivalent of telling a child in his fathers presence that he has not a parent or of punching someone in the face and asking, "Did that hurt?". The opposite extreme would be to [i]tell[/i] someone of a 'fact' not experienced by mere association or repetition of words they have something they know nothing of internally, experientially and factually. Either we have the witness of The Spirit or we don't, there is no middle, muddy ground. To be reborn is [i]birth[/i] [b]and[/b] [i]growth[/i] and [i]continues[/i], endures [i]all things[/i], is not presumptuous nor is it paranoid. Far too much is given in scripture against this whole presumptuous attitude by way of emphasis on [i]taking heed[/i], of watching ones conduct spiritually first and foremost, examining oneself and reminding oneself, endurance. Felt it very necessary to bring this to the fore here because of what doubting does on wrong lines and poor advice. There is a great deal spoken to in the little book along these lines, this great trick of the devil. I think it is far beyond the reach of the saints in most instances to be playing the devils advocate in inducing doubt rather then pressing the soul to come to it's own [b][i]known[/i][/b] conclusions. Salvation itself is this way, no one can make certain for some one else by mere statement an 'assurance' and have in large part gone and done much damage by this easy, cheap, costless 'believism' by [i]telling[/i] or making judgment that which;

[i]For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.[/i] 1Co 2:11

This always must be in the reverse of how this days 'presentation' would have it. The saved will know it and tell it, not the other way around. Having to be told and then figuring out how to live up to it or constantly being under a tossing and turning between two opinions, it is utter confusion and a diabolical matter and it does pertain very much to this whole matter under discussion.

Start over. That is the answer to all of this, hypothetical or personal as it may be. It is precisely what David did afterwords. Guilt is a tricky matter and I would say it is not to be totally dismissed. What ought to be left of the ramifications is [i]remembrance[/i], not continuance in wallowing after the failure. Surely David remembered and remembered well as he poured out his heart afterwords into the Psalms and specifically in regards to this monumental event of the past.

Some things are indeed simple, but that does not make them [i]simplistic[/i]. I fear that there is too often a glazing over or past deep penetrating matters by jumping to the concessionary end and missing he greater context and amazing understanding of love and true forgiveness. It is [i]costly[/i]. Looking through what the Lord did in this tragedy is quite incredible. It [i]cost[/i] David [i]his son[/i] need I draw the parallels to Gods own? This baby, a product of someone else's sin [i]taken[/i], in essence punished through no fault of it's own, but the greater punishment was upon David. Within that still is the paradox and beauty that [i]While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.[/i]

It is a profound and incredible thing to recognize where the child is and Davids understanding [i]despite everything[/i] his expectation to one day [i]go to him[/i].

And if all this was not enough, there is this outrageous ...

[i]And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and[/i]

[b]the LORD loved him.[/b]

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

We must be people of the Book. My experience so far has been that temptations often get more intense and at times even completely debilitating. They can be so strong as to just baffle everything I know to do, [i]the enemy comes in like a flood[/i], [i]a roaring lion seeking who he may devour[/i]. In the heat of it it is easy to overlook the more poignant fact that he is actually coming after you ... what on earth for? If it wasn't for the fact that you have something worth destroying, then why the bother?

What this little book shows and is so greatly helpful towards is in just reminders. That we need to be on-guard [i]all the time[/i]. That we need to be in Gods will and paying a great deal of [i]attention[/i] and before all that to be ready, steadfast and mindful of the [i][b]pain[/b][/i] of past failures. It is exceedingly difficult at times I acknowledge in the throes of some of these attacks, the appealing to natural passions and fleshly, physical desires, they can be quite overwhelming. There is [i]always[/i] an out, always. We have to practice something that can come quite too easily unfortunately in our lives towards the Lord and use it against the enemy of our souls;

Disbelief!

Whatever he is promising is a lie no matter how appealing the moment would have us deceived otherwise. The result is pain and failure and remorse and regret, it is a trade off for the lesser every time and some sins will leave deep scars ... Is it [i]worth[/i] it? A good question to ask ourselves. There is much to be gleaned in this little book about the character and dealings of our Lord in His hours of great trial, of Job and Joseph, Daniel.

One last note that is a constant snare I think for many of us; Tomorrow.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Mat 6:34

Remember yesterday to the measure that it will help jostle the brain to recollection of pain of sin committed and resolve to concentrate on todays troubles, It is always to get up again and go forth after repentance, just as David did,

[i]While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept[/i]

[i]But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast?[/i]

Tomorrow will take care of itself.

Blessings.


sermonindex May 26, 2007

What should a Christian do when overtaken by a particular sin, i mean so overtaken that there are nearly drowing in it and it has risen up from the place where once it was put down and mortified to dominate the person and overwhelm and even control them. I mean to the degree where a man or woman cant seem to get free of this one sin and this sin has seemingly sucked all the spiritual life out of the person so it feels as though there is none left.

First, we must realize that a "brother" who is struggling with and dominated by sin to the point where he cannot get free is no brother at all. His intentions may be good, but if he is bound in sin then he will not inherit the Kingdom of God so long as he remains in such a state. Scripture says,

[i]1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning...

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.[/i]

The Apostle John is saying that if a man is truly born of God then they absolutely will not continue in any known form of sin because Christ has changed them, regenerated their hearts, and made them HOLY, for without holiness no man shall see the Lord (Heb 12:14).

Further, scripture also attests:

[i]Heb 10:26-29 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: (29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?[/i]

If a man knows something is sin, but continues to do it anyway (which is "sinning wilfully" according to above scripture), then no sacrifice is left to cover their sin, not even Christ's, and they can expect nothing but the terrible and fierce judgment of God. The reason the judgment on any known form of willful sin is so harsh is because Christ came to save us from our sins:

[i]Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.[/i]

He shall save us FROM our sins. He shall NOT save us IN our sins, but the very thing He came to save us from is our sins - not hell, not judgment, but SIN. Therefore, if a man is not saved from his sins, then he is not saved from judgment and hell.

This is a striking and sobering revelation in light of our modern day plight of "sinning saints" and "saintly sinners". The fact is, you are either a saint, or you are a sinner. The Greek word translated "saint" 60 times in the New Testament is the same exact Greek word translated "holy" 168 times elsewhere. If you're not holy, you're not a saint, and if you're not a saint, you're not saved!

Realizing this should cause the holy fear and terror of Almighty God to pierce the heart of any willful sinner, whether they call themselves a Christian or not. Apart from repentance and the proceeding sanctification that follows, eternal life is not attainable. BUT, there's GOOD NEWS!!! There IS A PROMISE in the Word of God for such cases:

[i]Joh 8:31-36 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; (32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? (34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (35) And the servant abideth not in the house forever: but the Son abideth ever. (36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.[/i]

If you continue in God's word, obeying it, walking in it, and continuing in it by faith to practice it with all your heart, then you shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you FREE! And we all know WHO the truth is: CHRIST. He promised that if you commit sin, you are a slave to sin, but if the Son makes you free, you shall be FREE INDEED. He's talking about freedom from sin!

So the question arises: "How exactly do I get free, practically speaking?" Here's how:

1. Realize the exceeding sinfulness of sin and that willful sinners are not merely under God's chastisement, but under God's fierce wrath and judgment and in need of the true spiritual regeneration of the Holy Ghost.
2. Get VIOLENT against it. Get angry at your sin. "The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force". Be willing to pluck out and chop off anything that makes you stumble with a righteous indignation and holy violence.
3. CONFESS your sin and utter weakness before the brethren, and ask them to pray for you.
4. REPENT from ALL known sin, and RENOUNCE it audibly, with your mouth before God in prayer. Pray with all your heart determining to do whatever neccesary to gain freedom, even if it means resisting sin unto the shedding of your own blood.
5. Plead the blood of Christ and the promises of the Word of God over yourself and claim them by faith in this prayer.
6. Audibly COMMAND the demonic strongholds of sin out of your life. Call them out by name, plead the blood of Christ over it, and command them out in the name of Jesus. It is extremely likely that a "Christian" struggling with such overwhelming urges to sin is demonized and must get deliverance.
7. If the stronghold don't break, declare a fast unto the Lord, at least 3 days. Then repeat these steps until freedom is gained, persevering in fervent and wholehearted prayer until the breakthrough comes.

Remember, Christ has promised to set you free! As the old hymn goes:

Only believe,
only believe,
all things are possible,
only believe.

R
ReviveUsLord May 26, 2007

Thats why today i just lay there before Him and cried to Him for grace and help because this was too much for me. I must continue in this dependance for the rest of my life.

I think it's absolutely essential for all Christians - necessary but blessed dependance on our Lord!

I need Thee every hour, most gracious Lord;
No tender voice like Thine can peace afford.

I need Thee, O I need Thee;
Every hour I need Thee;
O bless me now, my Savior,
I come to Thee.

I need Thee every hour, stay Thou nearby;
Temptations lose their power when Thou art nigh.

I need Thee every hour, in joy or pain;
Come quickly and abide, or life is in vain.

I need Thee every hour; teach me Thy will;
And Thy rich promises in me fulfill.

I need Thee every hour, most Holy One;
O make me Thine indeed, Thou blessèd Son.

1Pe 5:10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

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