a abomination feeding the prophet?

i just have a few thoughts, the raven was considered a abomination in the old testament to the Jews right?

KJV Leviticus 11:13 ¶ And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
11:15 Every[b] raven [/b]after his kind;

now considering this i find it strange God choose a raven to come deliver meat to the prophet?

1 Kings 17:4 "And it shall be that you shall drink of the brook, and [b]I have commanded the ravens to provide for you there.[/b]"

1 Kings 17:6 And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

anyone who could help here would be very good.

Christian

Christian,

Just a quickie....

The OT law that mentions ravens says they were to not eat them. Elijah was fed by a raven, he did not eat one.

What do you think?

ginnyrose

yes i thought of that , but also this scripture

Leviticus 7:21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

and also

KJV Leviticus 7:24 And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it.

and this also

Leviticus 7:26 Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, whether it be of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings.

just some thoughts, seeking some light on this,

Compliments,

I'm no Bible scholar, but even I know the difference between a raven and a Gentile!

A raven is a bird, a Gentile is not.

Am I right or wrong?

Why God would get ravens to be waiters for Elijah is anyone's guess. And I suppose we will never really know.

All I know is, God is God.

God bless.

i heard Art Katz talk about this in a sermon, just wanted to hear more thoughts about it,

Christ will send you a raven to see whether you aer in the faith or no. Rebel againste Christ's command to put away lucre, and to presume not that I false witness. DO any of you go a lawing with your brother before the ungodly?
Mark well the raven, he sows not, neither reaps into a storehouse, yet God feedeth him, muchare ye better than the byrddes?

Actually in Levitcus, all the tribes of Israel were to put from them many manners of bad meat. Is there any birds (reading Matthew's Levit 11) that rhyme with chicken or pheasent or duck? God gave man bird's for pleasure of sight and sound, and to build up your heart when you feed the bird off of God's hemp tree.
Elias would today pray that your hearts would not be harden, or else god wil send you no rayne if you are given to an agricultural or treeber state, who wants to stick me to my foolish misdedes, which as a partaker of the holy goost I've had to run from suche and yet it still tempts me dayly?
It's hard to see the gospel when the blinders of ravening and wickedness are in the beams of the eyes of your disembling pharisees

Jeremy 32:32 (1537-Matthew's T.R.C) For thus sayeth the LORD of Hosts: Behold, a miserable plague shall go from one people to another, and a great stormy water shall arise from all the ends of the earth.
33 And the same day shall the LORD himself slay them, from one end of the earth to another. There shall no moan be made for any of them, none gathered up, none buried: but shall lie as dung upon the ground.
34 Mourn (O ye shepherds) and cry: sprinkle yourselves with ashes, O ye rams of the flock: for the time of your slaughter is fulfilled, and ye shall fall like vessels cunningly made for pleasure.
35 The shepherds shall have no way to flee, and the rams of the flock shall not escape.

Yea, and sheep is clean meat as well as good old cattle (beef and bufalo)
Paul covered 'meat' very well,
Romans 14:22 (w.t>n.t) Hast thou faith? have it with thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 For he that maketh conscience, is damned if he eat: Because he doth it not of faith. For whatsoever is not of faith, that same is sin.
This preaching makes life hard & rebukefull
15:3 For Christ pleased not himself: but as it is written: The rebukes of them which rebuked thee, fell on me.
4 Whatsoever things are written aforetime, are written for our learning that we thorow patience and comfort of the scripture should have hope.

For the prestes, prophets and people of Ierusalem, God's chosen and contiuning city

Irrespective of symbolism, God sent ravens, birds, to feed Elijah. Why, we don't know.

God bless.

I still do not know the answer to your question...but I will share something here.

A few years ago someone in our community had a pet raven. This guy was very intelligent and his exploits were very entertaining and funny. One day he flew to town and while there he snatched a letter from a man's hand and flew away with it!

According to Wikipedia they are very intelligent birds. Perhaps Elijah needed a little entertainment! Being alone at this brook with little diversion could get to you....I am not being irreverent, am I?

ginnyrose

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=13928]FINN-01 Elijah the Prophet by Art Katz[/url]

here is the sermon i heard it, Art does not speak so much on it , but the very thing he is getting at is deep, i have a hard time expressing it in words .-) mbut anyone who is interested in listening here you go

Hi,

someone once mentioned this article to me, it's deep indeed:[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=406]The Prophetic Call - Elijah: Prophet of Restoration[/url]

if you scroll down to the header The Ultimate Place of Union Art expounds on Elijah and the ravens. Don't kwow if he tells the same thing in the sermon, but I thought i would just mention the article.

:-)

Brethren
Greetings in Christ's name by whose BLood we are all Justified before God. AMEN.

What our Lord showed me about Elijah being fed by an unclean bird and even being sent to a gentile woman and then laying on her dead son in spite of all the laws against associating in any way with such uncleanness is this. God is God and can do as He pleases. Some have said God will not or can't contradict His word. well we know what the word says about contact with dead bodies, unclean animals and people and yet God had Elijah do those things, why? God reserves the right to do as He pleases. i know Elijah must have thought "go to a gentile woman? fed by ravens?" but because GOd said so even contrary to what He had said before and knowing the voice of God, Elijah obeyed. So we see the issue of God's Sovereignty and the need for our obedience to that word even if it contradicts what we know He has spoken before. Are we so sold out to God to do even this? Then also We see the Mercy of God. That gentile woman was ready to die, there was no hope for her but God saw her plight and sent Elijah because He wanted to Glorify Himself through that 2 year (or so i think) ministry. to me is speaks of God coming into the filth of our lives. HE can't tolerate sin yet He came into our lives and sustained us (the grain and oil used to make bread in that time). Not only that but the death of that boy is like our own death in transgression and Elijah laying on that boy and bringing him to life is like Christ on the cross willingly giving HImself for this display of God's Glory and MErcy. Elijah didn't just touch the boy, HE laid on him 3 times, Christ didn't wave His hand in Heaven but came down and became flesh and endured and suffered the cross and became death and the curse for us to bring us to life.

ain't God good brethren?

Grace and Peace to you all in Christ's name. AMEN.

bro Compliments

Compliments wrote:

Ironman said:God is God and can do as He pleases

We don't want to say this in a loose way that God is God and He can do whatever He wants, so there attitude!! And I hope that is not what you mean. But God can do whatever He pleases because there is no law to restrict Him. REBELLIOUS man was given the law to show him that he is incapable of keeping it, thus the need of a saviour Jesus Christ. We have been free from the same law, and we are [should be] walking in love.

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Ironman, this is for all of us, I am not particularly speaking to you only.

thank you for making even more plain what i was trying to get across. i wasn't saying that God is God and can do as He wishes in a flippant manner or with attitude, but rather saying it as a testimony of what is Truth for me now having been dealt with by God as i have been. This is a dear dear Truth to me and i would not be casual about it at all! It puts me in my place and lets me know i need to do one thing, be obedient because He has it all figured out and i can't help Him out because He lacks nothing. Indeed there is no law to restrict Him, He is Law...man this makes me want to sit down somewhere...

indeed let us awaken to righteousness and refrain from sinning so that we can testify against the powers the Manifold Wisdom of God rather than fail to so do and shame Him.

Grace and Peace to you all in Jesus Name. AMEN.