I am very saddened by Krispy's comments about Joyce Meyer-she teaches straight from God'sWord...I dont understand such disdain and hate coming from a Christian (KRISPY)....Ray Comfort was correct in going on her show...
I pray, Krispy, and others that agreed with you, that your heartswillbe challenged and turned to the Truth...
NanaLauraLee in Lilburn,GA
Hi and welcome.
NanaLauraLee wrote:
I am very saddened by Krispy's comments about Joyce Meyer-she teaches straight from God'sWord...I dont understand such disdain and hate coming from a Christian (KRISPY)....Ray Comfort was correct in going on her show...I pray, Krispy, and others that agreed with you, that your heartswillbe challenged and turned to the Truth...
NanaLauraLee in Lilburn,GA
I think you need to get to know folk a bit better before you can jump to conclusions in judging them.
Krispy expresses himself very forcefully but has a gracious spirit underneath it all. He speaks out of a passionate zeal for Truth rather than hate or a critical spirit.
I found Joyce Meyer's ministry very helpful when going through some emotional stuff, (friends I was staying with had the God channel). But I mostly heard her speak on practical "life application" issues, (and liked her down to earth, challenging style) But I can't judge, one way or the other, because of knowing little if anything of her doctrinal beliefs.
But, (whether he's right or wrong), you need to listen to our brother Krispy, listen to his heart, rather than his manner of writing, before condemning him for condemning Joyce Meyer!
Blessings
Jeannette
PS, what does "GA" mean? I assume it's a state in Amercia, but can't think which one it might be. Us non-USA people sometimes find the abbreviations confusing! :-)
Hi NanaLauraLee...
Welcome to the forums!
I agree that we can all use a little more tact when sharing what each of us believe to be truth. Often, we share from what "truths" we are convinced of, and sometimes neglect to leave a little room for personal persuasion. There are teachings that are very much accepted in some circles that I don't particularly agree with. However, I have no more liberty in tearing down the sacred beliefs of someone else unless there is absolutely no doubt in such matters. Unfortunately, there are quite a few issues that aren't 100% settled -- yet we often feel the "liberty" to express our views in a more absolute manner. It is sometimes difficult to recognize such lines that should not be crossed.
That being said, I must confess that I'm not really a big fan of Joyce Meyers. I've never really watched her on television, and I know little about her background. However, I have read some of her writings (particularly in a few major Christian periodicals). Unless I am mistaken, she seems to hold more to a brand of prosperity message than I feel is less than Biblically accurate. Additionally, I haven't really read anything that she has written that has pierced my heart. I tend to prefer works that, having read them, leave me hungry for much, much more of the knowledge of God. I don't mean this as any sort of attack on Mrs. Meyers. Rather, just on that sort of genre of messages in general.
Regardless, I know some people who really enjoy her messages. I've actually known some ministers that I respect quote her. I suppose that since I know so little of her ministry, I should leave it at that!
:-)
BTW, Krispy is a great guy with a terrific sense of humor! While we don't agree on certain issues, he is a true lover of God and brother in the faith!
Here is one quote that shows she doe not know the Jesus of the Bible,
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — [u]the first born-again man”
This is taken from her book, "The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make".
Of course if you can show me where in Scripture this is taught, I will take this back.
How can someone lead people to a jesus that is not the Jesus of the BIble and yet have defenders? Paul said that if any preached another Gospel let them be accursed, and he warned of those preaching another jesus.
Here is another quote from the same page
“There is [b]no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell”.
Again, show me from Scripture, not conjecture where this is taught.
I do hope that you are not offended because these errors are brought out, but rather that you would look to Christ alone, the real Christ of Scripture.
Nana,
One of the wonderful things about this forum is that there are lots of people here who know more then you/I do. They read a lot, see things you/I do not see and they share their insights. All of this I find immensely helpful because I cannot be everywhere and know everything. They teach me and I am deeply grateful that people will share. Now some are more aggressive in presenting their views, get to the point quite quickly without wasting lots of words - this describes Krispy, IMHO. You can use psychology in trying to persuade folks but that takes a lot of time and words to accomplish. So some are just more blunt but they mean no offense.
Hope this helps and that you will find this site a blessings like many others have.
Blessings,
ginnyrose
Jeannette,
GA is Georgia, USA. Lilburn is located right next to Atlanta. The reason I know is that our son used to live there.
Hope this helps.
ginnyrose
This is a small article on where she spends her money[url=http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer1.html]Joyce Meyer's Finances
I dont understand such disdain and hate coming from a Christian (KRISPY)....
So if I say something that you disagree with concerning someone's teachings then I'm being hateful? I never said I hate Joyce Meyer.
This is typical modern American mentality.
Since you referred to a thread that appeared on here probably 6 months ago, you were really digging to see what people were saying about Joyce Meyer. I hope that your motive was not to pick a fight with her detractors. That would be impure motive.
There has been a tremendous amount of information written about what Joyce Meyer believes dontrinally. Sometimes you'll run across some on the internet that really isnt worth reading... but there is a mountain of information on her that is very well documented. She is of the Word of Faith movement, which if you are a part of, then naturally you'll disagree with me on about 95% of the things I say on this forum.
But after having been a part of WOF for 5 or 6 yrs after being saved, I know quite a bit about it, and the Lord led me to place where around 1999 I completely rejected the heretical doctrines of WOF.
The biggest names in the WOF movement right now are Oral Roberts (the grand daddy of them all), Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Jesse Duplantis... etc... and Joyce Meyer.
My wife used to have a number of her books, watched her on TV, etc. so I know a lot about her and used to be a fan.
I'm not going to take the time to explain to you the horrific teachings of WOF since all of that info is right at your fingertips. Besides, I think it would benefit you more if you investigated it for yourself.
But you called me hateful. Let me ask you this... if I knew a particular road was flooded, and you came along down the road and I stopped you and warned you that you could drown if you continued on... would you consider me hateful?
Wouldnt it be hateful if I knew you could drown, and I just smiled and waved as you drove by and I made no attempt to warn you? In some cases, I could even be arrested for not warning you.
I believe if I gave the same warning about Joseph Smith on here (which I have), you would shout Amen! But when it's someone you love, then I'm hateful? C'mon... thats not being intellectually honest.
Because I spent a number of years under deceptive teachings I have an incredible passion for this topic in particular. It's out of love and concern that I come against such things with forcefulness.
I think most here know I dont believe legalistic tithing is for the Church... but I dont think anyone here will accuse me of being blunt or aggressive about it. It's not a issue of deception, in my mind.
But if deception is involved... I do get my dander up.
I see you're from down Atlanta way. I think your Falcons are in trouble this year. I doubt they're gonna win 4 games. :-)
Panthers on the other hand... Superbowl this year, baby!
Krispy
Thanks
ginnyrose wrote:
Jeannette,GA is Georgia, USA. Lilburn is located right next to Atlanta. The reason I know is that our son used to live there.
Hope this helps.
ginnyrose
I shall probably forget, but its good to be informed! :-? Now and again I feel a gentle reminder to you Americans is needed, that the USA isn't the only nation on the planet.
Georgia... Is that the place in the song? "...as we were marching through Georgia"? I always got it confused with the Georgia in Russia!
But I have heard of Atlanta - and Missisippi!
But there, I also used to wonder what the Prince of Wales had to do with the Prairies.
There's a song, "God bless the Prince of Wales", and one part says:
[i]"Let the prayer re-echo
God bless the Prince of Wales."
I always thought it was:
[i]"Let the [u]Prairie
:lol: :lol: :lol:
We need a bit of comic relief in the middle of some of these intense discussion!
Jeannette
Good article on this topic: [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17373&post_id=135469&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=36#135469]Spurgeon on False Doctrine
I shall probably forget, but its good to be informed! Now and again I feel a gentle reminder to you Americans is needed, that the USA isn't the only nation on the planet.
You're kidding me... is this true? I always thought it was us, and everybody else. LOL
Seen a lot of the world. You're right, we do get that mentality. Probably because this is the greatest place to live. :-)
Krispy
For those who have not yet heard this audio compilation of the satanic teachings of joyce meyer please check it out...
In Christ - Jim
Would anyone happen to know who it is that's singing that beautiful and soft song at the end of this compilation ? If so I would like to find it for download and to burn on CD. If anyone knows who he is and what the name of the song is and where I might get this song for possibly free download to burn, please PM me or respond to this thread. Would be very appreciative.
Thank you,
Brother Julian
Brother Julian-
The song is "Rich young Ruler" by Derek Webb. He made the whole CD avaialable at FreeDerekWebb.com but I think that promotion has ended.
in Christ - Jim
I love what Poonen says, "I'll tell you what you need...you need more RIGHTEOUSNESS!!"
These prosperity preachers are deceived to the fullest.
I did find this, if anyone is interested. Beautiful song.
Derek Webb Rich Young Ruler Lyrics
(vs. 1)
poverty is so hard to see
when it’s only on your tv and twenty miles across town
where we’re all living so good
that we moved out of Jesus’ neighborhood
where he’s hungry and not feeling so good
from going through our trash
he says, more than just your cash and coin
i want your time, i want your voice
i want the things you just can’t give me
(vs. 2)
so what must we do
here in the west we want to follow you
we speak the language and we keep all the rules
even a few we made up
come on and follow me
but sell your house, sell your suv
sell your stocks, sell your security
and give it to the poor
what is this, hey what’s the deal
i don’t sleep around and i don’t steal
i want the things you just can’t give me
(bridge)
because what you do to the least of these
my brother’s, you have done it to me
because i want the things you just can’t give me
Brother Julian
jimdied2sin:
The song is "Rich young Ruler" by Derek Webb. He made the whole CD avaialable at FreeDerekWebb.com but I think that promotion has ended.
Thank you brother,
Brother Julian
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this...but whatever.
Here goes...
He who is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her. John 8:7
I'm not particular fond of her...and I'm NOT for the Word of Faith teachings...
BUT...
I don't know how to say it...but a lot of these comments just leave a bad taste in my mouth.
For what it's worth, I know of someone that was in prison, who was very much touched by her prison ministry.
Also worth noting:
some of the Teen Challenge centers use her book: "Battlefield of the Mind".
Again, I'm not trying to get into this debate...just my two cents worth, I've got better things to do with my time.
God bless
i listened to that comp, if that womens voice is Joyce mayer? then we should pray for her.
She is totally wrong in her understanding on who
God is, i should probably listen to more from her, but the statements she makes is just soooo..... wrong
quote:
you can be selfish all your life and go to heaven.
what bible verse is that?
Yea, this Christian cross carrying submitted leader who refuses those who shalbe abased (or brought low).
Hmm, did you all say that I am a deceiver and a sinner, and a heritick (tyndale says makerofsects). Isn't the word of faith just another sect, where those who have not the sprete of God are none of his, preach that lucre is godlinesse?
Thus saith the Lord; ye would plead with me, yet you all are but sinners?
We need to be warned that whosover doth not take the commandments of Paul as the commaundmentes of the Lord Iesus Christ, is subverted and sinneth.
Doth the sprete of God ignore this; (I usually use simple straight forward quotations of the 1526 Tyndale/Roye N.T
2 Thesa 3:6-14 ¶ We require you brethren in the name of our Lord Iesu Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh inordinately, and not after the institution which ye received of us.
7 Ye yourselves know how ye ought to counterfeit us: For we behaved not ourselves inordinately among you.
8 Neither took we bread of any man for nought: but wrought with labour and travail night and day, because we would not be grievous to any of you:
9 not but that we had authority: but to make ourselves an ensample unto you, to counterfeit us.
10 For when we were with you, this we warned you of, that if there were any which would not work, that the same should not eat.
11 We have heard say no doubt that there are some which walk among you inordinately, and work not at all, but are busybodies.
12 Them that are such, we command and exhort in the name of our Lord Iesu Christ, that they work with quietness, and eat their bread.
13 Brethren be not weary in well doing.
14 If any man obey not our sayings, send us word of him by a letter: and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed:
15 And count him not as an enemy: but warn him as a brother.
All men shalbe iudged accordynge to works, and by thy wordes thoushaltbe iustified and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
I am warned to escape decpetion, yet I am told to ignore 1 Cor 14:34 at the very least,
Women should be modestly appareled, letting it be the hidden man of the heart, whyche is a thinge most put by
OH Lorde, how there is not one sayncte more
very few faithful are there among the chyldren of men. You would stone tyndale if he were sent you in these parlous tymes.
1 Timothy 4:6 If thou shalt put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Iesu Christ which hast been nourished up in the words of the faith, and good doctrine, which doctrine thou hast continually followed
These after K.J bibles, are heavily minished and added to so moche, that Tyndale would even prefer the weakened K.J text, if his were not avaiable widely in print.
Brethern, and sistern, without the help of false prophets (oh how my eyes runwith tears), and the fact that you are all faithless and trust in men, using your doctrines to recieve the praise of men and those like Meyer use the word of Iesu Christ as lucre grabbers.
Sory, I can pass the test, shewing that all are under sin, and that idoles rule this land, and their names are much more put by than Tyndale's.
2 Peter 3:14-15 14 Wherefore dearly beloved, seeing that y look for soche thynges, be diligent that ye may be found of hym in peace, without spot and undefiled:
15 And suppose that the long sufferynge of the Lord is health, even as our dearly beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom geven unto him, wrote to you - (1526-2007 Tyn-dale Print edition)
Due to soche a life because of unrigteous laws, I canonly say so much, and oft I've ignored you're debates, forgiveness is the Lorde's and I won't touch the images either, neither covetousnes and false witness bearyng.
Fear not the haters of God, the doers of wrong, the covetous the boasters and the proude
FOr thorow much adversity shal we enter into the kyngdome of God (Paul in Actes)
Amen in the name of Jesus Christ
This discussion is locked.
