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Christians won't work on Sunday's but they expect others to.

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Santana Jun 25, 2007

I know many Christians who refuse to work on Sunday's but yet they go to restaurants, pump gas, and do groceries because they know other people will be working.

What am I missing here?

sermonindex Jun 25, 2007

Santana:

I know many Christians who refuse to work on Sunday's but yet they go to restaurants, pump gas, and do groceries because they know other people will be working.

Great point Santana. Boy am i guilty of this myself. I remember when i was just a teenager growing up that you could not find anything open on a Sunday. If you were lucky you might find a gas station open but then again were talking over 30 years ago. Sad how things have become.

Brother Julian

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Santana Jun 25, 2007

I generally don't work on Sunday's (because I'm Christian :) but I was just thinking about all the things I do after church. Grocery shopping, pumping gas, watching the news, etc.

Would I be happy or sad if all those things were closed? I've been to muslim countries where all stores shut down during lunchtime because of prayer. (i was happy to wait because I respected that)

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running2win Jun 25, 2007

This is just a thought I had but by no means what I would consider the answer to your question. I haven't actually thought about this much but what comes to mind is that God's instruction to His children don't apply to the heathen of the land. They are their own gods doing whatever they please. Serving themselves as god. In times of revival as I understand it often times you couldn't find any stores open at all. But that's the heathen. As far as should we be buying things on the Lord's day I can't say for sure. I don't just because the occasion doesn't arise for me in my current situation.

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running2win Jun 25, 2007

Something else I just recalled that I heard Keith Daniel say; You can judge the spiritual state of a nation by the respect it has toward the commonly accepted day of worship.
That's not an exact quote but that's the thought anyway. I think it's pretty accurate too.

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Santana Jun 25, 2007

Off the subject...I kept thinking about a verse in my head about seeking God's face. I searched this morning for that verse and I came to Psalm 27:8. IT's what I'm meditating on today.

I should've just waited for your response :-)

I guess were just gonna have to have another revival.

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running2win Jun 25, 2007

I guess were just gonna have to have another revival.

You're exactly right!!! It's coming. I honestly believe that. God promise we'd seek Him and find Him when we search for Him with [b]ALL[/b] our heart. I seek Him night and day to work again like He has in the past. Bless God for His faithfulness to His promises!

sorry, this was off subject too.

sermonindex Jun 25, 2007

Let me ask you this? Why dont you work on Sunday? Are you still trying to live by the OT law, or are you free from the Law in the name of Jesus?

I'm not against having a day of rest, it is a sound Biblical principle. But Christians treat not working on Sunday as if is was commanded of us in the NT... like most believe tithing is for the NT Christian.

Paul even said one man keeps one day holy, another man keeps another day holy...

So whats the big deal about Sunday? Show me in the NT after Christ rose from the dead where we are taught that Christian should not work or recreate on Sunday.

Again, I'm not against it! I'm just asking where we got that "law" from. Why do we do it? Why do we strive to uphold the OT law so vigorously when Christ fulfilled it?

Krispy

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KrispyKrittr wrote:

Again, I'm not against it! I'm just asking where we got that "law" from. Why do we do it? Why do we strive to uphold the OT law so vigorously when Christ fulfilled it?

Krispy

Hi Krispy, I look at it like this. I have been freed from the Law, to live by the Law. Not because I have to, but because I want to. Christ saved me, and nothing I can do will make me go more to heaven and be accepted by God, because only Christ can do what I cannot. Because of this great act of love, taking my sin and giving me His righteousness, I now strive to live by the Law because Christ deserves the best life from me. But I'm not forcing myself to live by it, I do it to praise Him for what He has done.

I once beat myself up because I kept sinning, thinking to myself, 'Would I do this if I was a [i]real[/i] Christian?' And Christ spoke very clearly to me, He said, 'It's not about what you've done, but what I've done.'

Hallelujah.

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Santana Jun 25, 2007

The truth is I work with a Christian who refuses to work Sunday's.

The boss knows not to ask him but he asks me to come in. I think he gets confused because were both Christians but only one of us refuses to work on Sunday.

I don't think there's anything wrong with working on Sunday, I just try to avoid it because I need the rest.

PS - Have you seen CHARIOTS OF FIRE? Isn't that what the whole controversy was about?

sermonindex Jun 26, 2007

Krispy said

Paul even said one man keeps one day holy, another man keeps another day holy...
The thing which this highlights is that men desired to keep a day holy - unto the Lord.

There is definitely a connection between 'holy' days, and [i]rest[/i]... days set apart for [i]not working[/i]. But, it is possible to have days when one is not at work which are not 'holy'.

Perhaps we forget (or didn't realise) that the provision of care for poor people used to spring from a desire to imitate Christ's concern for our health and well-being. Sometimes these evolved into places of education also. But it is not possible to invite a person to a kind of hospital because they are sick, and then offer no staff at night-time and Sundays. :-P No-one would believe you were serious about 'care'.

It's the same with having children. One cannot just take a day off - or a night off - because that was never part of the deal.

I think also, there is quite a discipline for Christian businessmen, not to keep working on a Sunday unless it is part of the service their company offers (like roadside rescue, for instance), as there must be a temptation to just keep working and making more and more money. It may be hard not to include Sunday as a work-day when business is slow, also. It is at these times one has to know what kind of liberty has been given by the Spirit of grace.

As Paul also said, everyone must be convinced in his own mind that what he is doing is right for him personally. Whether it bucks the trend, or adheres to old practices. Sometimes, there are reasons for not rocking the boat. Sometimes the boat is definitely not the safest place to be.

It would be sin to work on Sunday if God had told you not to. It might be a sin [i]not[/i] to work on Sunday if God had called you into a service industry. As He said to Peter 'Follow thou Me'.

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Lotis Jun 26, 2007

Hi, I work at a Pizza place that's open 7 days a week. I am one of four managers (one of three once school starts up again). The two owners are the other main two. I told them I need Sundays off, not because I think it's a sin to work on Sundays, but because I have church on Sundays and I have responsibilities to the church. I think it would be wrong to never give God his time, for me its like that, just giving God his day. But if one of my bosses has an emergency or they are going out of town, I don't think it's a good thing to say, "Too bad, so sad" and just force them to work. They aren't saved and if I just flat out refused to help them in their time of need, I don't think it would say much about my faith. Thats my take on it. I think not working Sundays is awesome, but I don't think its a sin to work that day either.

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It is at these times one has to know what kind of liberty has been given by the Spirit of grace.

New testamanet Christians worship God every day... they have no seperation between holy and "not holy" days, do they? Like many doctrines of babylon that keep the children of God in bondage, this started back in Constantines day.

in Christ - Jim

sermonindex Jun 26, 2007

PS-

Isnt "keeping the sabbath" sort of like "celebrating easter"... its a religous substitution for not entering in to the rest and resurrection life that is offered through Christ.

In Christ - Jim

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jordanamo Jun 26, 2007

Krispy, we get this "law" from Genesis, it was before the Mosaic law even. God rested on the seventh day. This however is not a "law" insofar as it is a precedent.

A very important precedent, that we should take heed to. Rest on Saturday or Sunday, whichever you prefer, but it is a sound biblical precedent that should be followed. Not in a legalistic, pharisaic way, but in the Spirit. You should abstain from most work, and take the time to ponder God's creation, His attributes, etc.

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HomeFree89 Jun 26, 2007

This kind of goes back to the question, What still applies to a Christian from the OT? I'm still pondering that question, but the Lord is bringing clarity.

I listened to a tape series that said we should try to find specific application from the laws that aren't about sacrifice and apply them to our lives. We aren't to be legalistic about it, but maybe it would be good for us. What do you all think?

Jordan

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Vakugal Jun 26, 2007

Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father works until now, and I work.
I have heard a brother say, the last day God rested was on the 7th day of creation. Man sinned and from that day onwards God has been contiually, working ...that some may be saved ... causing all things to work for the best ...
Often we get cought up with the wrong words/semantics.
"to avoid sounding lofty I and me have been replaced by we and our:-)"
1. "Christians dont but expect others to..."
I guess the primary focus is our deep rooted attitude of judging others,sseing the spec whithout seeing the log. Our double standard and our failure to expect of others what we do ourselves.
2. Our inability to see the situation and judge by the little information we have. All we saw was the chap working, taking his cot and walking ...
There is a book by a Catholic brother called Lawrence ... walking in the presence of God (most have heard of it) where walking with God was continous across his life. Probably on Sunday the only difference was he was not multitasking.
The question is not just of Sunday, it is of how deligent are we with out time. does spending time with God and HIS saints come in our priorities. Does attending a 4 day conference become like having 4 sundays in a row and nothing more spectacular than any other day which is being spent with God.
As a brother said how can one 'enter' into Gods presence on a Sunday, when he is continually walking with God!?
So maybe it is not all about Sundays and Saturdays, it is obout my own (not others) relationship with Jesus. How much do I love HIM. Is everything else, everyday, becoming an intrusion, to be dealt with patince and love.
I feel the Lord has correctly spoken to us by this obvious observation, but it is not of Sundays and Saturdays but our love for the Lord and our attitude towards our fellow beings.
May we value being with God and the gathering of the saints, that unless circumstances forbid, we will do all to be there... be it even for a few momnets ...any day, everyday, and expect the same for everyman any day, everyday :-)
All To Jesus.

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HomeFree89 Jun 26, 2007


KrispyKrittr wrote:
Let me ask you this? Why dont you work on Sunday? Are you still trying to live by the OT law, or are you free from the Law in the name of Jesus?

I'm not against having a day of rest, it is a sound Biblical principle. But Christians treat not working on Sunday as if is was commanded of us in the NT... like most believe tithing is for the NT Christian.

Paul even said one man keeps one day holy, another man keeps another day holy...

So whats the big deal about Sunday? Show me in the NT after Christ rose from the dead where we are taught that Christian should not work or recreate on Sunday.

Again, I'm not against it! I'm just asking where we got that "law" from. Why do we do it? Why do we strive to uphold the OT law so vigorously when Christ fulfilled it?

Krispy

Krispy,

It's part of the Ten Commandments. Why use the other nine like obeying parents if the Sabbath doesn't apply?

Jordan

sermonindex Jun 26, 2007

Krispy said: Again, I'm not against it! I'm just asking where we got that "law" from. Why do we do it? Why do we strive to uphold the OT law so vigorously when Christ fulfilled it?
Tradition!

We void out the cross thru our traditions. If we can maintain the keeping of Sunday as our day of rest without making it into a law, we will do ok. This is how you know that it's become a law to you, you begin to look down at your nieghbour who is cutting his lawn, you begin to tell others that Sunday is the day of rest and demand that they keep it. If you've come to that state, YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

Jesus Christ is our Sabbath Day, lets enter into Him and cease from our labours, "For no flesh shall glory in my presense".

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Vakugal Jun 26, 2007

Just wanted to also add 2 small points-
1. God honours them who honours HIM. SO if one has decided to be radical regarding Sunday. excellent. But others may not have ... that I guess would be between him and God. But to exhort each other not to neglect the gathering of the saints.
2. Often when I have faced with circumstances where it was difficult to attend a meeting, work or sickness, when I have earnestly prayed, God has removed the hindrances. I know of saints who asked the Lord for a different job due to timings and got it.
God searches the heart.

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