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are there really christian sports teams

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luckyd Jul 1, 2007

First off my most important question out of all this is, can anyways let me know if there are any sports teams that are truly christian. my dad said there is no such thing as real christian sports teams. he said his whole life he has seen christian teams pray together and stuff and then when they play on the courts or fields, they are no longer christian. I want to know if there are and true christian teams that no matter what, even if people foul and talk lots of trash, they still dont give in to temptation and stay the christian example. and if they exist which i know they have to, is there a way i can let my dad witness this, maybe a real christian team will be playing somewhere by where we live...we live in texas san antonio, or maybe there are clips or maybe the news or just some way my dad can actually start to believe there are real christian sports teams because he needs to get broken. he says i need to be a man and when someone talks trash to me in sports i need to talk back. He says im young and i dont know anything about the world and one day i will see about life...i dont know what he means but i know he is trying to justify his wrongs always.
today i played basketball with my father and he started talking trash and cussing and not being christian. Thats when i walked away. My dad always tries to justify all his wrong. I hope hes christian, but sometimes i dont know. and if hes christian he needs so much brokeness. He uses statements like,"no one is really christian" and "we all glorify satan and christ sometimes" "no one is perfect" and he will say how when he talks to people he always says I try to be christian, but never says hes christian because he feels theres no way we can be christian 100 percent of the time. or he will even bring up how sometimes im not that talkative with people. for example my step brother came in from out of town with his wife and i tried to talk to them as much as i could. we got along well but i was just so tired and didnt talk to them as much as my father. but i know they still get along with me. i know i still am with them enough, but my dad just wants an excuse to feel close to god, when i would say i guess hes not from what im realising about him. I would like any help with what i could do to share things with my dad to help open his eyes. but i know i have to be an example and pray and thats the best i can do and let god do the rest. the scariest thing today was how he said the muslims are right when they say if someone does something to you, dont just stand there and let them get away with it. He says he disagrees with the bible on how it says to turn the other cheek.

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HomeFree89 Jul 3, 2007

Hi Jesse,

There may be good "Christian" sports teams out there, but I'd say most aren't because they compromise in many different ways such as having cheerleaders. However, I wouldn't real argue with your dad on that point, because there are so many greater things that you guys could talk about.

When talking with your dad, you may want to bring up walking in the light as Jesus does. There are times we stumble, but we shouldn't justify it if we're trying to glorify God in our lives. Bring up Romans 6 and show him respectfully that we are to be done with sin.

I'll be praying for you brother.

Jordan

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Compton Jul 3, 2007

He says im young and i dont know anything about the world and one day i will see about life

Brother,

It's good that you are showing respect for the things your father tells you. (Honoring your father is the most important thing, even if you disagree with him.) I wonder though, has either of you heard of Eric Liddell?

From Wikipedia and In Touch Ministries...

During the summer of 1924, the Olympics were hosted by the city of Paris. Liddell was a committed Christian and refused to race on Sunday, with the consequence that he was forced to withdraw from the Men's 100 metres, his best event.

He considered Sunday to be sacred, a day set apart for the Lord; and he would honor his convictions at the expense of fame.
On Sunday, July 6, Liddell preached in a Paris church as the guns sounded for the 100-meter heat.

The day of 400 meters race came, and as Liddell went to the starting blocks, an unknown man slipped a piece of paper in his hand with a quotation from 1 Samuel 2:30, "Those who honor Me I will honor."

Shaking hands with the other finalists, he readied for the race of his life.

He not only won the race but broke the existing world record with a time of 47.6 seconds. A few days earlier Liddell had competed in the 200 meter finals, for which he received the bronze medal, beating Harold Abrahams, who finished in sixth place.

And regarding this idea...

he says i need to be a man and when someone talks trash to me in sports i need to talk back.

Before each race, Liddell shook hands with each competitor, offering his trowel to fellow runners who struggled to dig their starting holes in cinder tracks with their cleats.

Liddell later went to China as a missionary where he eventually died in a Japanes prinson camp. Shortly after his forty-third birthday in January 1945, Liddell collapsed. His last words, spoken to a camp nurse, were, "It's complete surrender."

His tombstone in Tientsin China is inscribed with the words they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary.

Blessings,

MC

sermonindex Jul 3, 2007

Brother,

I see you are young in the Lord, and zealous. This is good. It's great that you are standing up for righteousness sake. I also see you asking a lot of different questions under this one topic. I could try to answer all of them in sufficient length and depth here, but honestly I am not sure this is what you need. All the answers you are looking for are in Christ, at the Cross of Jesus, and some of them you may not be able to bear now, but they will start to make sense as you continue to grow in your Christian walk. Even though I can tell you this and suggest that it is still you who must seek the Lord in prayer, and in reading of the Scriptures. These should always be your first two choices (prayer and searching God's Word) when you have questions for the Lord, with an open heart and much patience.

So, sports. I hadn't written on this subject here on SermonIndex, and I hadn't thought I ever would. I am 24 years old now, brother, and sports was something that I was raised up with, that I even worshiped (I came to the Lord when I was 20). In Europe, where I am from, soccer is big, so soccer it was; and what not: basketball, volleyball, cards, winter sports, tennis, anything you can think of. I talked sports, watched sports, dreamt sports, played sports, meditated on sports. I could tell you how each game ended at the 1996 European Cup Finals, for example, with goalscorers, etc.. I knew teams, stats, players, everything. What a freak I was! And, brother, after the Lord found me in 2003, and after I came to America in 2004, sports was one of the first things He urged me to let go of in the process of the "being crucified unto the world."

It was a long and painful process, for my interest was indeed a sinful addiction, but the Lord changed the desires of my heart to the point that I couldn't enjoy sports any more. In comparison to Him everything became so dim and lifeless: not just sports, but television, movies, books, the world without God in general.

This is a snippet of my history in the world of sports and in the Lord. For the purpose of this post I will stop here. You were asking about real Christian sports teams, so let me try to answer that.

In a way, I agree with your father, albeit for different reasons I believe, that there is no such thing as a "Christian sports team." I believe this to be a contradiction in itself, an oxymoron. For to be a follower of Christ and to be knowingly and willingly involved in or following sports is a form of compromise with the values and wisdom of the world, an enticement of our flesh.

So what are sports essentially? Do they glorify God or do they glorify us? Who is in the spotlight? What do they cater to: our holy longings or our lusts? You know, this is not something that I can just "tell" you, brother, but something that the Lord has to reveal to you by His Spirit, because to the natural man there is nothing wrong with sports, and with many other things that are sin in the eyes of God. The thing with sports is that they are all about self; whether you play them or they watch them, their end is the gratification of your desires. It is all about being better than the other team or person, which is pride at its worst. It's about being on top of somebody else and deriving pleasure from it: this whole competitive spirit. It is about feeling good about yourself and confident in your abilities. It is the glory of self, and not of God. Hence, it is no wonder that we see people at their worst when they play competitive sports: these are all the fruit of the flesh (malice, envy, etc. described in Galatians 5 and other places in Scripture). Sports teams generally exist for profit, for pleasure, for the exaltation of man.

Here are a couple of verses of Scripture for you to look at:

Luke 14:11
"For [i]everyone who exalts himself will be humbled[/i], and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Matthew 16:24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, [i]he must deny himself[/i] and take up his cross and follow me."

Romans 12:1-2
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. [i]And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.[/i]"

1 Peter 4:1-3
"Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that [i]he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God[/i]. For we have spent enough of our past lifetime in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries."

I also encourage you to read [url=http://acts2024ministries.wordpress.com/2007/01/15/the-great-sin/]this article[/url] by C.S. Lewis called "The Great Sin" about what pride is.

There are a lot of great resources here for you at SermonIndex. Have you listened to [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=2903]The Revival Hymn[/url] compilation, or the classic sermon [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=282]Ten Shekel and a Shirt[/url] by Paris Reidhead?

If you have any more questions, feel free to PM me.

Sincerely,
Slavyan

sermonindex Jul 3, 2007

A lot of people think sports are not for Christians because it involves aggressiveness, competitiveness, etc. Many times that can lead to pride.

But so can knowing a lot about the Bible. That doesnt mean we stop reading the Bible so we dont fall into pride.

I know of one such football league called "The Pioneer Football League" which is a football league specifically for homeschool and private Christian school kids. It's a nation wide league, and it has very strict standards of conduct for both players AND parents.

I coach football. Football, to me, is probably one of the best ways of preparing boys for manhood. It teaches them discipline, hard work, brotherhood... Perhaps the only thing better than football in making men is Marine Corp bootcamp.

It's all in what you make it, and like anything else, we cant just throw the baby out with the bath water. It is wrong to throw a judgemental blanket over an entire thing. Quite frankly, it's foolish.

Hope that helps.

Krispy

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jarona Jul 4, 2007

There are missionaries who reach out and use sports as a method to share the gospel. I was a part of Youth With A Mission a missionary org. and there was a Sports DTS (discipleship training school) that ran along side a school I was on. They went to Namibia and played soccer with people and spoke about Jesus. I believe God wants us to also be able to use creative ways to reach out and impact nations with the gospel!

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