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Spitfire Jul 6, 2007

I just finished looking at the prophecy by R.B. Thompson. He says,

"It is time now – right now! – to set your house in order. You must make yourself judgment-proof by turning away from all sin and doing My will each day. Only then will you be able to stand in the day of trouble that is coming.

Actually, I've already been thinking much about this and I [i]do[/i] believe this prophecy is the word of the Lord, but I'm just wondering how we can turn away from [i]all[/i] sin? The Word of God says, "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin." That's alot of stuff! That's alot of stuff that we're not even aware of!

I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed lately in trying to turn away from this world and get the sin out of my life. It, honestly, seems impossible. I was raised in America, for heaven's sake! I was taught the world's definition of success! How do you know when you have really abandoned all of that? What would that look like? Who are we kidding?

I'm afraid of thinking I'm ok and then finding out I've been in the dark. It's wearing me out. I just read this prophecy today, and just yesterday I was sitting in my prayer chair crying to God because I never feel ok. I never feel at rest in Him. I'm always feeling yucky and like there's something huge I've missed.

I'm saying all of this because, If we are going to post a prophecy like this, then we need to help people who genuinely want to respond to it, because I'm not sure a person can try hard enough to "judgement proof" themselves. We should be careful of the kind of burden we place upon people. I'm being sincere here! I'm exhausted from trying to "judgement proof" myself and I don't feel any closer to holiness than I was before I started. Love, Dian.

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enid Jul 6, 2007

Spitfire,
I can understand what you are saying.

I've been saved 25 years and sometimes I feel more guilty than when I got saved 25 years ago!

How does this happen?

I guess we know more than when we first got saved, and as it says in Eccles 1v18, 'For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow'.

The more sin conscious we become, the more guilty we feel. The awareness of sin pervades your thoughts daily, at least for me it does.

You said, "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin." That's alot of stuff! That's a lot of stuff that we're not even aware of!

Well if we are aware of it God shows us how to deal with it.

Ps 66v18, 'If I regard iniqity in my heart the Lord will not hear.'

Isaiah 1v15, 'When you spread out your hands, I will hide My eyes from you, even though you make prayers, I will not hear. Your hands are full of blood.'

Maybe our hands are not full of blood, but if we are knowingly taking part in sinful activities, words or thoughts, God knows.

As far as unknown sin goes, God has that covered too.

Ps 139v23-24, 'Search me O God, and know my heart, try me, and know my anxieties,

vs 24, 'And see if there is any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.'

God desires holiness, it's an essential, not an option.

But we need to look to God, I speak to myself.

Don't try to be the Holy Spirit of our own lives.

Let God be God.

God bless.

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Spitfire Jul 6, 2007

I feel as if I'm trying to mop a dirt floor. What an impossible task! Dian.

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enid Jul 6, 2007

You said it. It is an impossible task. That is why the word of God says, with God, all things are possible.

If we look to our own petty resources to get into heaven, we have as good as failed.

But when we realise our frailty, and how without God we are doomed, then God sees our brokeness, and a broken and contrite heart God will not despise, Ps 51v17.

Listen, everyone in the Bible were regular failures just like everyone else. They were no different. Flesh and blood like you and me.

But they believed God, and we need to do the same.

God is good.

God bless.

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hmmhmm Jul 6, 2007

(John Angell James, "Christian Progress" 1853)

One of the last lessons we effectually learn, is
that true godliness is a constant conflict in a
believer's heart--between sin and holiness.

Some sincere believers mistake a clearer view, and
deeper sense of their depravity, for an actual increase
of sin. The Christian seems sometimes to himself, to
be growing worse, when actually it is only that he
sees more clearly what in fact he really is!

In the early stages of our Christian life, we have
usually but a slender acquaintance with the evil
of our sinfulness, and the depravity of our heart.
The mind is so much taken up with pardon and
eternal life, that it is but imperfectly acquainted
with those depths of deceit and wickedness,
which lie hidden in itself.

At first we seem to feel as if the serpent were killed.
But we soon find that he was only asleep--for by the
warmth of some fiery temptation, he is revived and
hisses at us again!

Nothing astonishes an inexperienced believer more
than the discoveries he is continually making of the
evils of his heart. Corruptions which he never dreamt to
be in him, are brought out by some new circumstances.

It is like turning up the soil, which brings out worms
and insects, which did not appear upon the surface.

Or to vary the illustration, his increasing knowledge
of God's holy nature, of the perfect law, and the
example of Christ--is like opening the shutters, and
letting light into a dark room, the filth of which,
the inhabitant did not see until the sunbeams
disclosed it to him.

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enid Jul 6, 2007

Quote: It is like turning up the soil, which brings out worms and insects, which did not appear upon the surface.

So the fact is, we are getting better instead of worse!

Also, I think we need to be aware of Ephesians 6 which speaks of the firey darts of the wicked one.

The enemy will work on our minds until we are almost insensible with grief concerning our condition, and would have us to believe that all hope is lost.

God says different, and it is God whom I listen to.

Our hope is not in this world, but in the world to come, as it was for those who went before us as written in Hebrews 11.

Thanks for the encouragement, both of you.

God bless.

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pastorfrin Jul 6, 2007

Hi Dian,

You might try going to the link that was given for R.B. Thompson and read the entire article,
it is 15 pages but may help with some of your questions.

Here is a scripture that may help.

Ephes. 6:10-18
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. [11] Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. [13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. [14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; [15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. [17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: [18] Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Notice we are told to be [u]strong in the Lord and the power of His might.[/u]
We are told having done all to stand, to STAND
THEREFORE. SO we stand in His strenght, and then
we are told to pray for and watch over our brothers and sisters in the Lord with all perseverance and supplication.
When we are busy with the work of righteousness
we tend to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh.
Be busy for the Lord while it is day for the night cometh when no man can work.

In His Love
pastorfrin

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death2self Jul 6, 2007

Hello Dian,

I feel as if I'm trying to mop a dirt floor. What an impossible task!
It IS indeed an impossible task. It's not by might, nor by power but by my Spirit, thus saith the Lord. You cannot beat your sin in your own strength.

I would encourage you to press in stronger in prayer proclaiming the promises, asking the Holy Spirit to quicken specific promises in the scriptures. Here are a couple that I stand on 1 John 1: 7, 9 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from [b]all[/b] sin.

If you will simply walk in the light once sin is exposed in your heart, you simply repent and ask Him to wash this away by the blood and He will give you assurance that it's done.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from [b]all[/b] unrighteousness. The word "forgive" literally means "send away" or "send forth."

Our battle is never against sin, that battle belongs to the Lord but we must come into agreement with Him and allow His blood to wash us clean and then simply walk in the light. He is able to do that.

Stand on the promises Dian and Jesus will deliver you. I've seen him do it in my life and in many others. He is faithful to do in this inner hidden things in our heart, as well as the gross sin. His heart is for you to be totally free to be His bondservant...

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LoveHim Jul 6, 2007

dear death2self,

that is excellent biblical advice. i know that in my life i used to always focus on my sin and how horrible of a christian that i am and i never could really believe the word of God. it was if i said "yeah i know that it says that but..." i couldn't really believe that His blood is that sufficient and the cross is enough.

oh what amazing blessings and promises that the Lord gives us His children. He is so faithful, even when we are not.

dear dian, please don't give up on the Lord because He has not and will not give up on you. i pray that the Lord may open your eyes to see the height and depth and width of the love of Christ.

blessings in Christ.

D
DTSheffler Jul 6, 2007

I like the way you explain things enid. that was one of the more clear explanations of holiness that I have heard. On the one hand I have heard doctrines that tell you that every Christian sins every day in thought word and deed and there is nothing that can be done about this until you go to heaven. On the other hand I have heard preaching that tells you that no Christian should ever have any guilt at all because if there is any sin in your life (and guilt is a sure sign of sin) then you must have never been a Christian at all. Both positions seem to ignore many scriptures.

It is by the power of Christ that we can be free. It is the power of his ressurection that allows us to walk in newness of life, free from sin. When I get thinking on these subjects I like to read [url=http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=romans+6]Romans 6[/url] and [url=http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+john+3]1 John 3[/url].

A friend of mine also wrote a nice [url=http://www.exicarus.com/2007/07/03/christian-perfection/]review[/url] of John Wesley's sermon about Christian Perfection on my blog.

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rowdy2 Jul 6, 2007

Reply

Our Father has mercy on repentant sinners not reprobates or the self-righteous .

The war Christians fight is against the wicked desires of the flesh that attempt to return or we have allowed to return after Jesus cast them out

Through Christ we have the victory over death but not over the fear of God because as God’s children we are chastised and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Eddie

Matthew 9: 13 KJV
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

sermonindex Jul 6, 2007

Hey Diane, GOOD to see you. :-)

For most of my Christian life, I felt like Luther, before he really came to understand God's part in our salvation/sanctification, when he'd go up the stairs on his knees and all, to atone for his inner ugliness.
Then I'd get so mad at myself, because I'd blow it again, usually with my temper. The walk was like a roller coaster ride, with highs and lows that weren't necessarily from God.
I call sin 'inner ugliness' because that's how we should feel inside when we compare ourselves with Him.

I like calling sin that. It we're to just come into the Image of The Son, who is Most Beautiful, than anything unlike what the Son would [u]do or be[/u] is ugliness in me, comparatively speaking.

My favorite verses that helped to balance the tension between "I do - He does" are these ...

Php 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal [u]even[/u] this unto you.


The only way to come to the balance of that constant tension, {like a tug of war between God and man} .... to where the rope is not moving yet is firm in it's distribution of pull or tension is by Faith. He said so.
Faith in all the Verses where He said, He 'is' working and He will complete.
We already know all to well, all the 'thou shall nots' but what we're actually created to be, is conformed to His Image ... which takes things beyond the 'thou shall nots'.

My other favorite verses are ones that Martin Lloyd-Jones, who did a wonderful Commentary on ... showing the process we go through in Sanctification ... starting with acknowledging that we are spiritually poor and on from there...

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

MLJ said, seeing our own poverty first, we mourn and because we've seen what we're really lacking or are made out of, we become meek, not puffed up (good way to stay), but yet we don't have to feel we're doomed to that --- He then gives the promise, that if we do hunger and thirst, we SHALL be filled with His righteousness.

But it's not a one time process. The whole of the above goes on until we see Him, ending each time with the last promise there. He shows us new things everyday, but gently if we're open. That's the faith verse. Three action verses on our part and then the Promise. Neat!

I think you hit the Key though, of 'our' doing ... and that's in the definition of - be ye "holy" ..... "holy" is something set apart or "separated" for HIM. So is "sanctify".

So when you mentioned "the world" ... that's it.
"Come out from her my people and be ye separate."
We have to live in the world, when we're "out there", but once we get home ... our homes should be like the Holy of Holies.

Unplugged televisions, Godly Music on, or sermons, no secular reading materials, Nothing that He wouldn't have in His home if He or even Paul was still here.

Sanctify and Holy are very much the same word, though they're not - they are.

We live in the world but are not of it.

'Faith' in what He's doing and promised to do in us beats off self-despair and reality checks keep us hungering and thirsting -- and prayerfully until HE comes.
HE looks upon the heart and even said of David, that He was "a man after God's own heart."
I've had a hard time with that one, for most my saved life, because of my anger at adulterers.
I couldn't "go figure" on that one ... but the Lord is still working on me. Thank GOD - He won't give up, as long as my desire is even just a hair's breath of desiring what He wants.
All sin is bad and none have "attained" so I shouldn't think that King David is any worse than us, because the "heart of man is all the same", desperately wicked, who can know it.
I shouldn't categorize sins. My anger is equal to murder, according to the Lord.

It's just knowing we have or are doing all that we can to be "separated unto holy use" .... that if He needs us, we "hear" Him quickly ... but we can't if we're either self-focused or distracted by the world.

The two extremes have been posted on this Forum in the last few weeks....

The "GOD does all side" and the "man does all side" and He wants us in the middle with that even tension on that rope. :-D
The rope's not slack, there's a 'good constant' tension on it, not lax but not strainingly tight.
THAT'S PEACE WITH GOD!

Again, I love Phil 3:7-15.

Happy to see you again.
His Love to you Sister.
annie

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andres Jul 6, 2007

"It is time now – right now! – to set your house in order. You must make yourself judgment-proof by turning away from all sin and doing My will each day. Only then will you be able to stand in the day of trouble that is coming.”


I must say that a Christian is “judgment proof” already, but not by his actions, but by Christ’s Holy works…by His fulfillment of the law, punishment under the curse of the law, and death for our transgression of the law. If we want to stand in the Day of Judgment we must sit at the feet of Jesus and let His righteousness cover ours. “… So by the obedience of one(JESUS) shall many be made righteous”. Rom 5.19
love
andy

sermonindex Jul 6, 2007

I think we've all read these verses and I think "lie" is the "burger-biggie" here.

God requires the utmost of honesty and that can 'only' come to us by revelation 'from' GOD of how untruthful the human heart really is ... day by day. Deception of 'any' sort is a lie.

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 [u]He that overcometh[/u] shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that [u]do[/u] his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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Spitfire Jul 6, 2007

dear dian, please don't give up on the Lord because He has not and will not give up on you.

Oh, Sister, the one thing I will [i]never[/i] do is give up on the Lord! I've been far enough with Him and seen enough of who He is to take me all the way home! Love, Dian.

sermonindex Jul 7, 2007


Dear Dian,

I replied in the Thomson thread. I hope it is a helpful perspective.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17798&post_id=139609&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=139363&forum=35#139609]https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17798&post_id=139609&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=139363&forum=35#139609[/url]

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