Brother, I was about to go to sleep last nite and I blasted out of my bed and headed for the computer to look up some verses.
I'm not sure if this is the whole of what we're feeling, but what I got was Matt 13 plus others. Here are the verses.
Mat 13:24 -30 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that [b][u]we[/b][/u] go and gather them up? [b][u] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest[/u][/b]: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
And Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
And Rev 22:11, 12 [u][b]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.[/b][/u] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Brother, what I'm seeing in all of these threads on different Forums & Sites and in the Churches is the wheat and the tares. The tares Hate the wheat and watch them with envy and mischief. They despise the offering of Abel and seek to kill their brother like Cain did.
Please see that I don't mean this as any "elitist" type talk ... because as we both have posted ... God takes no pleasure in the fall of anyone and seeks that All would come to Him in truth/love.
Those who do not depend on their 'mentality or intellect' - but with child-like dependence, receive the true fruit or give the sincere/appropriate offering of Rom 12, are being watched and enviously, by those who's own offering of the flesh (intellect) is not acceptable unto the Father - their conscience baring witness to them, that the fruit of the righteous is not from flesh and blood/human intellect.
They are the Un-wise virgins who ask the wise virgins to share their oil. Or as Esau received from Jacob, "just one meal", but not the Blessing he would have, had he gotten his own meals. Getting a 'meal' takes "work" and most do not want that hard way, the narrow way ... the broadway walk of using 'mind' is so much easier and self-glorifying.
Have you had people to come to you and you've felt or had folks saying "I want what you have - share it with me." ? Or just the complete opposite ?
It's like they 'know' they are not receiving wisdom from The Father, because they know 'how' they live the rest of their lives outside of fellowship times. Yet they want a share in things as you do or to deride.
Robertson's says of the Greek in Rev 22:11 that ... ""The language is probably ironical, with a reminder of [u]Dan_12:10[/u], in no sense a commendation of their lost estate. Charles rejects this verse as not like John. It is [u]the hopelessness of the final state of the wicked which is here pictured[/u]. So as to "Let him be [b]made[/b] filthy still" (rupanthe¯to¯ eti). [u]The states of both the evil and the good are now[b] fixed forever. There is no word here about a "second chance" hereafter.[/b][/u]""
It's like there comes a point in time in these last days, where those who are wicked are solidified in it and those who are sealed are doubly sealed {in essense - as it says, "IF" it were possible even the Elect would be deceived."} in those days. Do you see what I'm seeing here ? This is scarey.
I wonder if that strick division of the sheep from the goats and tares from wheat and filthy from righteous is [u]cast[/u] already ?
Those who walk in dependence on the spirit are like Abel and those who walk after their own minds or ego-appetites are like Cain.
Accusing those who walk in dependence as a child on The Holy Spirit of being "arrogant" ?
They say that tares look like wheat and only the moving of the wind (the Spirit) makes the difference apparent. The wheat sways with the direction of the 'wind' but the tares are rigid and don't.
In the parable, they want to remove these tares, but are told not to. "let them grow together", so that we don't pull up wheat with the tares.
In Churches or on the forums or websites, we can spot tares sometimes, but if we try to pluck them out - some of the wheat will be offended and leave with the tares.
I 'think' we've come to the point that The Elect are shining more because it is getting darker and the tares know that in their personal life that they are not walking in the fulness of Christ's Spirit nor have the witness in their spirits that they are secure.
If the Elect are sealed - then those who are not, will turn on the Elect and that is what I feel is a major part of the "something horrible".
Jesus said, they will turn against us to the death of us. That is enough to make our spirits Grieve the loss of people we've known or talked to and the gravity of their damnation. "I never knew you." What a severely grievious thing.
My spirit is grieving and trembling just in typing this. Reverential fear is necessary!
Jesus said, "Few" there be that find it. And that "most" will fall away because of a lack of His Love and Love for Truth.
That's why I post T.A. Sparks, "Truth in the Inward Parts" so often, because even just one small little lie can cause a 'habit' of lying and thus, cause a person to become apostate.
If we're living in the time of the great Apostasy and God is sending "the strong (effectual) delusion, then we are already living in dangerous times in the Church. Yet, we must by commandment love & tolerate the tares & all people until the end.
If we have a deep love for souls ... this is very grievious, to see those who are already fallen away and asking us for more oil to "make it through onto the end".
This whole thing is very grievious and maybe what we felt - is GOD giving them over to believe the lie ....
2Th 2:10 - 12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; [u]because they received not the love of the truth[/u], that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a {the} lie: That they all might be damned [u]who believed not the truth[/u], but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
In context of that chapter "the" lie is the verses preceding these, about the anti-Christ. So that means they have an anti-Christ spirit, in that they want to enter in through the broad way or not by the Spirit, but by the flesh. So they will hate those who have Christ truly in and operating through them ... the jealousy of Cain.
The difference between the letter of the law {the legalists or Pharisees} and the spirit of the law. One strives against the other. That's been the same old warfare [u]from the beginning[/u] .... God's way or 'our' way.
I fear because the folks that I've invested the most in, are just not seeing this. That they cannot depend on their intellects, but must be led & operating in the Spirit. If I point that out, one too many times, it angers some.
My fear is that we've come to that day when God has pronounced this verse in Rev 22 and 2 Thess. 2 on the people because they have received 'so much' and yet have not laid down their own 'self' to take up His cross and obtain all truth [u][i]from [/i]Him[/u]. They prefer to use their own minds and become puffed up and Cast Off.
Do you feel any of this may be the case in our "uneasiness" ? If any of this is true, then we are definitely walking in the midst of much "uneasiness".
If the anti-Christ will soon be revealed - then this is true according to 2 Thess 2:10-12.
Extremely grievious. And our spirits would be picking up on this and will or should be grieving. I 'saw' those who thought they were saved thrown into hell. If that grieves God, than it should grieve us.
To know that people you are talking to are not saved, as you're speaking to them, is way beyond grievious.
We all may need to ask for that second touch as the blind man did, when he only saw men as trees walking.
There is nothing wrong with confidence in one's salvation but yet, there is ample Scripture crying out to be read of our need to make our salvation sure. To humble "ourselves", to "work out with fear & trembling" and "if the Righteous are Scarcely" saved ..... etc. etc. etc..
Praying for discernment for us all. I can see where those who agree are joining into at the least, three different ranks ... both in Churches and the forums, etc.. Basically as has always been the case, those under the law {by the flesh or legalism} and those who abuse Grace {easy-believism} and the Whole-council-of-God ones.
If we can't or shouldn't pull up/out tares, then we must go on speaking truth to them, yet the 5 wise virgins told the others to go and get their [u]own[/u] oil. Finding the balance in HIS love only. His love can be soft to the touch or chastisement.
Lord help us to stay under His humbling Hand and with much fasting and prayer. These 'are' Perilous times.
Lord 'keep' us.
Joe 2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
Joe 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
Joe 2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
