Jesus told us to love everyone. So are we to be more loving than God? No, For God so loved the world and He desires all men to come to repentance. Whosoever will let him take the water of life freely. God does not mock us with these words, He loves all men and allows them to choose life or death. God is love!
amen and amen, great first post, I love reading 1st John Chapter 4, soaring Scripture that is, welcome.
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The Following chain of Scriptures was adapted from:
http://www.apuritansmind.com/TULIP/UnconditionalElection.htm
Daniel 9:14b, "for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth..."
Psalm 145:17 The LORD is righteous in all His ways, and holy in all His works..."
Psalm 33:4, "For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth."
Psalm 103:22, "Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul."
Instances of the word
"hate" and its use.
anEf' sane' {saw-nay'} • 1) to hate, be hateful 1a) (Qal) to hate 1a1) of man 1a2) of God 1a3) hater, one hating, enemy (participle) (subst) 1b) (Niphal) to be hated 1c) (Piel) hater (participle) 1c1) of persons, nations, God. Gen. 24:60 Gen. 26:27 Gen. 29:31 Gen. 29:33 Gen. 37:4 Gen. 37:5 Gen. 37:8 Exod. 1:10 Exod. 18:21 Exod. 20:5 Exod. 23:5 Lev. 19:17 Lev. 26:17 Num. 10:35 Deut. 4:42 Deut. 5:9 Deut. 7:10 Deut. 7:15 Deut. 12:31 Deut. 16:22 Deut. 19:4 Deut. 19:6 Deut. 19:11 Deut. 21:15 Deut. 21:16 Deut. 21:17 Deut. 22:13 Deut. 22:16 Deut. 24:3 Deut. 30:7 Deut. 32:41 Deut. 33:11 Jos. 20:5 Jdg. 11:7 Jdg. 14:16 Jdg. 15:2 2 Sam. 5:8 2 Sam. 13:15 2 Sam. 13:22 2 Sam. 19:7 2 Sam. 22:18 2 Sam. 22:41 1 Ki. 22:8 2 Chr. 1:11 2 Chr. 18:7 2 Chr. 19:2 Est. 9:1 Est. 9:5 Est. 9:16 Job 8:22 Job 31:29 Job 34:17 Ps. 5:6 Ps. 9:14 Ps. 11:5 Ps. 18:18 Ps. 18:41 Ps. 21:9 Ps. 25:19 Ps. 26:5 Ps. 31:7 Ps. 34:22 Ps. 35:19 Ps. 36:3 Ps. 38:20 Ps. 41:8 Ps. 44:8 Ps. 44:11 Ps. 45:8 Ps. 50:17 Ps. 55:13 Ps. 68:2 Ps. 69:5 Ps. 69:15 Ps. 81:16 Ps. 83:3 Ps. 86:17 Ps. 89:24 Ps. 97:10 Ps. 101:3 Ps. 105:25 Ps. 106:10 Ps. 106:41 Ps. 118:7 Ps. 119:104 Ps. 119:113 Ps. 119:128 Ps. 119:163 Ps. 120:6 Ps. 129:5 Ps. 139:21 Ps. 139:22 Prov. 1:22 Prov. 1:29 Prov. 5:12 Prov. 6:16 Prov. 8:13 Prov. 8:36 Prov. 9:8 Prov. 11:15 Prov. 12:1 Prov. 13:5 Prov. 13:24 Prov. 14:17 Prov. 14:20 Prov. 15:10 Prov. 15:27 Prov. 19:7 Prov. 25:17 Prov. 25:21 Prov. 26:24 Prov. 26:28 Prov. 27:6 Prov. 28:16 Prov. 29:10 Prov. 29:24 Prov. 30:23 Eccl. 2:17 Eccl. 2:18 Eccl. 3:8 Isa. 1:14 Isa. 60:15 Isa. 61:8 Isa. 66:5 Jer. 12:8 Jer. 44:4 Ezek. 16:27 Ezek. 16:37 Ezek. 23:28 Ezek. 35:6 Hos. 9:15 Amos 5:10 Amos 5:15 Amos 5:21 Amos 6:8 Mic. 3:2 Zech. 8:17 Mal. 1:3 Mal. 2:16
mise,w miseo {mis-eh'-o} • from a primary misos (hatred); 1) to hate, pursue with hatred, detest 2) to be hated, detested Matt. 5:43 Matt. 6:24 Matt. 10:22 Matt. 24:9 Matt. 24:10 Mk. 13:13 Lk. 1:71 Lk. 6:22 Lk. 6:27 Lk. 14:26 Lk. 16:13 Lk. 19:14 Lk. 21:17 Jn. 3:20 Jn. 7:7 Jn. 12:25 Jn. 15:18 Jn. 15:19 Jn. 15:23 Jn. 15:24 Jn. 15:25 Jn. 17:14 Rom. 7:15 Rom. 9:13 Eph. 5:29 Tit. 3:3 Heb. 1:9 1 Jn. 2:9 1 Jn. 2:11 1 Jn. 3:13 1 Jn. 3:15 1 Jn. 4:20 Jude 1:23 Rev. 2:6 Rev. 17:16 Rev. 18:2
Psalm 5:5, "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
Psalm 11:5, " The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence His soul hateth."
Psalm 7:11-13, "God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors."
Hosea 9:15 "All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters."
Nahum 1:2 "God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies."
Malachi 1:2-3, "Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness."
God bless you! -Abraham
If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26
The word hate is used here also, but later Paul tells husbands to love thier wives. So clearly Jesus didn't mean to pursue them with hatred or detest them. You see brother, these scriptures you have quoted are not easily understood, but one thing I know Jesus said, If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Luke 14:7.
We must be careful not to create an image of God outside of what has been revealed in Jesus Christ. Jesus never turned anyone away and showed love to all men. For there are none righteous no not one, and if God hated anyone he should have hated me.
Ecclesiastes 3:8 says,there is A time to love, and a time to hate. I am convinced this is a time to love and until Christ has came for his bride God is crying for men to repent and be saved.
-With love, TimmyJoe
TimmyJoe,
I'm in agreement on most of the things you stated. I have only posted scripture references and Language definitions of the words. God does love everyone in one sense. He been good to us all by giving us (all that he should be thanked for). He is good to the rebelious, in that he has been longsuffering at the time being. He has guven the ungodly their food and shelter. He has given them the light of conscience to warn them of sin it's death. He hasn't killed them at this moment for their sin. In this sense, he loves them.
However, God does not love everybody in another sense. God has not shown mercy upon everyone. (This is clear in Romans 9)
You said it beautifully, "If God hated anyone he should have hated me." I must confess the same for me. God has a right to hate us all (for our enmity and rebellion) However, He has chosen to have mercy on some and not others. (he did not base his election because of our forseen will or abilty) None of us (by nature) have the will or ability to come to God. God had mercy on His Elect.
It also must be uderstood... God's hatred is a holy hatred, a just hatred, a good hatred, and a wrathful hatred. His hatred is not unjust, evil, or sinful (like the devil's).
When i said, "None of us (by nature) have the will or ability to come to God."
...That might have startled some. I have posted a thread on this topic, if you would like to study why I believe this doctrine.
Here's the Link:
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=18043&forum=36&0
God bless you! -Abraham
Brother Abe,
I do not agree with alot of your views. Because I truly believe God desires all men to be saved, and He said [u]whosoever will
But I won't try and convince you to see the way I do. I believe thats why Paul said, Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation: Rom. 15:20
If you ever let the enemy convince you that God hates you you'll be in a world of trouble. So stay strong in the Word and instant in prayer.
-God Bless, TimmyJoe
He said whosoever will let him take the water of life freely
TimmyJoe,
Revelation 22:17 (KJV) says:
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Let him that is athirst come.
From Thayer's definition:
"figuratively, those who are said to thirst who painfully feel their want of, and eagerly long for, those things by which the soul is refreshed, supported, strengthened."
We both affirm that all who are athirst may come and drink freely, the question and contention is this: "Are all people athirst?"
Yes, God loves everyone and wants everyone to be saved.
Hell was not created for men, but is a last resort. God wants all men to be saved, and the Spirit is working to bring that about, convicting men and pleading with men to give up their sin and be reconciled unto God.
We need to take the message of God's love to the ends of the earth, telling [i]all[i]all
Hahaha... This was my first post ever on SI! Wow, it is amazing how far God has brought me since I posted this (even though I still believe it). I guess I was just looking to pick a fight.
I Love a good Arminian and Calvinist debate...break out the TULIP
jay saved is right
the contex of who so ever wills , is the one who thrists
and any one who is born of god noes who he bacame thirsty
god put that hunger and thirsts in us by drawing us
even after we are born againg ,,,,we know it is the spirt in us that causes us to thirst,, it is is the spirit that prayes for us with grones that canot be uttered,,that is a great thirst we can scence when the spirt prays
men dont choose god but god chosses men befor the foundation of the world
jesus i have chossen you but one of you are a devil
they asked jesus and said lord why do you speak to them in parables ,,,,,,,he said to you is givern the mystery of the kingdom , but to them it is n ot givern ,,,,i speak in parrables so that hearing they may not hear and seeing thy may not percieve ,lest they turn and be heald
it is clear that not all people are offered the gosple
and that was the reason he spoke in parrables ,,,,,the contex was regarding the proud pharasess
are you brothers aware of the verse that talk about these things
illl post them later if you like
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