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What is the "milk", and what is the "meat"?

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RumbleBee Jul 17, 2007

In Sunday school last Sunday, we were being taught about the Gospel, how important it is, and how much it needs to be preached.
A few in the class seemed to believe that the four Gospels are simply "the milk", and to be used at the time of salvation, and "the meat" would be the study of the rest of the bible.
That would also be infused with training from the pulpit through life application messages. i.e. "How to get along with that nasty neighbor", "Living a single life" or even "Dealing with a mean young'n".

In reading this, you may catch a sense of disappointment on my part.
I do not know if I can help that.
I see that the plan of salvation is being neglected and takes second fiddle to the desire to be "well rounded".

This last Sunday we had a baptism service.
It was known that quite a few family members were going to be there to see these three children and two adults baptized.
Most did not attend our church, but came just for this service.

In my opinion, a convicting message of repentance and salvation would be a must for "that" Sunday, backed up with the Baptism itself.

Instead, the message was on "How to live as a single person".

The alter call was one sentence, and only in passing. ...no one came forward.

So, I now ask for your input.
Define "the milk" and "the meat" because I am doing research to go back to Sunday school and be more able to back up the need for the Gospel to be preached in our church.

Thanks in advance,

Vince

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enid Jul 17, 2007

No doubt, you know these scriptures.

1 Peter 2v2, 'As newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby'

Also in Heb 5v13, 'For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe'.

Vs 14, 'But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil'

For some Christians, they can spend years at 'square one' in their Christian walk.

Others seem to go 'full steam ahead'.

It is all to do with maturity. Some mature faster than others.

No doubt we all know people who are in different catergories, as the church in Sardis was in Revelation 3.

Concerning the Gospels being the 'milk', take a look at Matt 5v1-12.

Most Christians don't seem to realise this is how the Christian walk should pattern.

First the humility and brokeness of sin, to the progression of persecution and reviling.

Is taking up the cross, spoken of in the Gospels milk or meat?

Would a babe in Christ understand what it is to be an 'unprofitable servant' spoken of in Luke 17v10?

I don't want to drag this out, so I'll close here.

Others will offer their help also.

God bless.

sermonindex Jul 17, 2007

Milk is what we have to give a baby because their digestive system will not handle meat until they grow teeth to chew it up. Baby Christians are the same way. Babies require much supervision. You can’t leave them alone or they won’t survive. And God does not leave us alone either. If we are really saved he who began a good work in us will finish it. I think the point Paul was making in 1st Cor. 3:1 is that we need follow Jesus not men. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gives the increase. If we know the Word of God we will be able to tell someone how to be saved, but God is the one that initiates the salvation and the growth. The sign of spiritual maturity is that someone can distinguish what is good and what is evil. Sooner or later a Christian will not rely on what the preacher gives him on Sunday or the Sunday school teacher, they will follow along in their Bible and confirm what the preacher or the teacher preaches is truth. They will discover how important the Word of God is for their maturity and will realize that eternity is too long to be wrong. That task is impossible without we are indwelled with HIS SPIRIT. It requires the same SPIRIT to understand HIS WORD as it did for the Apostles to write it.
1 Cor 2:12-14
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Heb 5:11-14
11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. 12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. God gives us the tools to use but often we don’t use them.
Note verse 14 “by constant use have trained themselves. Be ready to give an answer. What did James says in James 1:22-25 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

Anyone want be blessed?

When the preacher starts preaching on righteousness and preaching against what our culture embraces and many people have given these sins a pet watered down name “alternative lifestyle” , “situational ethics”, “inappropriate relationships” “pro-choice” “religious tolerance” . If you step on these toes and everyone knows who I’m talking about. They are very visible. These people who claim HIM LORD will leave the church because they can’t digest the meat. Some are still babies and some of them or prenatal, they have not had a spiritual birth yet. God can stripe the baby’s legs and get them back in line and he will, but the prenatal must be born agian or it could be when they hear the Word and the seed is planted in their heart they abort it. Quench the Spirit. After a certain amount of abortions a women becomes barren and cannot give birth. I believe we can see in HIS WORD that if one aborts HIS WORD and neglects to respond to HIS SPIRIT. They could become barren and not able to produce a seed.

Luke 8:11-18
11 "This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14 The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.

16 "No one lights a lamp and hides it in a jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, he puts it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light. 17 For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open. 18 Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken from him."


Many in the church house, note I said in the church house not of the HIS CHURCH will tell the preacher we must be religiously tolerant. We don’t need to offend anyone. The laws of the land takes precedent in their lives over HIS laws, why I believe because they haven’t made HIM KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS yet. They are not concerned about selecting a leader in the church or the government that stands for HIS righteousness and HIS ways. They want someone who can convince them he can make their economy good and has the attitude “what God got to do with it”. We are in trouble as a nation.
The sincere meat is that “in him we live and move and have our very being”. When we no longer consider ourselves one nation under God, we will be a nation gone under.
The church body has been infiltrated with people who will run the preacher off if he gives meat and steps on toes.

Pray God will open eyes.

D
dscplmkr Jul 17, 2007

The "Milk" elementary principle are found in Hebrews 6:1-3
Therefore leaving the *elementary* principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation

1. of repentance from dead works
2. and of faith toward God
3. the doctrine of baptisms
4. and of laying on of hands
5. and of resurrection of the dead
6. and of eternal judgment

And this will we do*move to the meat*, if God permit.

* I added the word elementary for emphasis, based upon the context from chapter five and other translations *

The "Meat" better men than me can teach , but to sum it up as I understand -
"Christ in you, the hope of Glory." building upon that foundation.

Doing good works- This is also covered in Hebrews 6 but Christ himself put it best in:

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

another way over-simplistic of saying it is the milk is for the perfecting and the meat is for the multiplying of the saints.

Hebrew 6:14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

SO,
In one sense the Gospels have more milk and the rest more meat but that is a very poor and potentially dangerous way to divide the word.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

* all scripture quotes from King James Version

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running2win Jul 17, 2007

"How to live as a single person".

If they're saying that [i]this[/i] is meat and the Gospel is milk give me milk any day! I can go to a pshycologist if I want to know how to live as a single person. I don't see how he can think that having a little lecture about the fundamentals of single life have anything to do with the whole purpose of the pulpit. That's not even preaching! That's not advancing God's kingdom nor is Jesus Christ receiving the reward of His suffering in that! My, but that's grieving to hear :-(

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IRONMAN Jul 17, 2007

Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved. AMEN.

it seems to me the Meat of the Matter is the Formation of the Image of Jesus Christ in us. That is the Thing which brings God Glory. It is also a tough thing which many of us have shied from.May God give Grace for us to press into Him to this end, to eat the Meat. AMEN.

Grace and Peace be ours in Jesus Name. AMEN

sermonindex Jul 17, 2007


moe_mac said

they will follow along in their Bible and confirm what the preacher or the teacher preaches is truth. They will discover how important the Word of God is for their maturity and will realize that [b]eternity is too long to be wrong[/b]. That task is impossible without we are indwelled with HIS SPIRIT. It requires the same SPIRIT to understand HIS WORD as it did for the Apostles to write it.
emphasis mine - I like this 'eternity is too long to be wrong'.

About 'meat', I think it is something to do with living out the faith in obedience, in that the action of walking in newness of life gives us spiritual muscle which believing (without the works of faith, as) babes simply do not have (yet). God knows where we are on this continuum and whether we are being faithful to what He has shown us to do and be(come). Persecution comes in many guises, and we must prepare for it.

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

1 John 2
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [i]that is[/i] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because [b]ye have known the Father[/b].
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [i]that is[/i] from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and [b]the word of God abideth in you[/b], and ye have overcome the wicked one.

Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [i]he[/i] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [i]him[/i].

2 Thessalonians 1:4
... your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure,

1 Peter 1:13 - 19
gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest [i]your[/i] hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, [i]as[/i] in your ignorance; but as He who called you [i]is[/i] holy, you also be holy in all [i]your[/i] conduct, because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."

And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay [i]here[/i] in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, [i]like[/i] silver or gold, from your aimless conduct [i]received[/i] by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

J
JelloTaster Jul 17, 2007

I would agree with the last two posts. The meat of the Gospel is not in doctrines but it the application of those doctrines in our lives. Struggling with how to love your enemies? That is chewing on meat. And naturally, this living out of our faith is the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.

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rookie Jul 17, 2007

Hbr 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


The strong meat belongs to those who have grown in understanding of the word of God. The fruit of this understanding gives one the spiritual gift to discern what is good and what is evil.

As a babe in Christ, we are given all things pretaining to Christ. Yet it is the path that we walk, allowing Scripture to be the discerner of the intents of our heart, that enables us to seperate ourselves from the hopes that are still alive in our hearts, that still exist for Satan's world.

What are the motivations of our hearts? We were once in darkness. We were once a captive of Satan. We were once friends with this world. The stain of this world in our hearts, the motivations that we once had, striving for things which are not profitable, these are the 'intents' of our hearts that the word of God enables us to know, those that are evil.

The babe in Christ has not walked along the road long enough to have experienced the loving way, Christ through the Holy Spirit, teaches us and empowers us to seperate from the hopes we once nurtured.

A babe in Christ will often set out to do what Scripture says, he will set out to live according to the law. But he his efforts have not been tempered, have not been grown according to the Scripture.

Isa 35:8 ¶ And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it [shall be] for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err [therein].

Do you see and hear the promise in the above Scripture. It speaks of a journey where the world will not go. But fools according to the ways of the world will walk this highway. They will not err.

In Christ
Jeff

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