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Orthodox Statement of Faith?

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[b]The Statement of Faith[/b]: [i]of confused individuals[/i]

We believe that God so hates the majority of the world that He did not give His Son for the whole world. (John 3:16)

We believe that God does not want the majority of the wicked to turn and live because He takes Sovereign pleasure in their death, therefore God secretly wills "sin ye, sin ye, and die" (Eze 33:11)

We believe that Jesus died only for us special few, and not for the sins of the whole world. (1John 4:9)

We believe that God is willing that the majority should perish, and that they should remain impentient in their sin. (2Pet 3:9)

We believe that those that the Lord has "bought" with His blood are eternally and unconditionally secure, and cannot "bring upon themselves swift destruction" (2Pet 2:1)

We believe that a "worst thing" will not come, and cannot come, upon the elect even if they fail to "sin no more"(John 5:14) because we are tempted beyond what we are able (1Cor 10:13) and God's commandments are impossible (1John 5:3), therefore Christians sin "every day in word, thought, and deed" but are not "of the devil" (1John 3:8) even though they daily continue in sin.

Does anyone say amen to this statement of faith?

Does anyone have any objections to this statement of faith?

R
roaringlamb Jul 21, 2007

As I have said before, when you cannot refute, you belittle, and stoop to name calling. Are you not slipping out of your perfection Jesse? Are you sure you are headed to Heaven now, as you say any sin can negate all of what Christ has purchased, and will send that person to Hell. Meanwhile every child of God has within them such a brood of vipers that if not for the righteousness of Christ alone before the Father none should have peace to appear before Him.

Brother how is this in love, and for the edification of this family?

I have answered your accusations at every turn, and the best you can do is mock not only myself, but many who have gone before us, and many whom are dear friends.

I object on the basis of your humanistic and emotion driven statements that completely disregard context for the majority of Scriptures you have put up, and unless I am convinced by Scripture alone, here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God.(Yeah it's borrowed, but fitting as the battle you and I have been waging is none different than what Luther and Erasmus fought some 500 years ago). But should you continue to bring out that old corspe of man's goodness, and ability, by the grace of God I hope to put it back in the tomb where it belongs, and so long as you should threaten the crux of Christianity which is justification by faith alone through Christ alone, I will fight back, and I do hope others will as well as you are trying to undermine the faith of many, and destroy Christ's work for His Church.

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I think that the scriptures I listed refute the statements.

I am horrified that people actually believe this stuff, even though they don't say it in such strong language.

Roaringlamb, you don't believe this stuff do you?

Do you disagree with any of these false statements?

Or do you say "amen" to all of them?

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before you even think of answering Jed Morrell's response, think to yourself, why?

its just a waste of time, as I'm beginning to view this whole forum experience, what with the wacked out, weird links that "grannie annie" is posting, and Corey H's "news" items, not to mention the "sermons" we get from Jed Morrell, this forum is turning into a real hellhole....thank God, the website has the sermon downloads.

very very depressing and grievous.

brother, don't even waste a minute responding.

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if you think of men precious men of God like Evan Roberts, and Duncan Campbell and read them or listen to them side by side with Morrell, how the difference in annointing and love of Christ is apparrent, its the difference between night and day, light and darkness.

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roaringlamb and worm4christ, if you believe these things, why don't you just publicly say so and let people examine your views under scripture?? If you believe something, you shouldn't hide it.

But I love the both of you very much and I hope you don't believe in any of those points I listed. Who can expect love to be silent where there are such falsehoods as these being spread like a plague through the Church??

But I know I am not the only one grieved at heart that people believe the kind of antiscriptural stuff I listed in the statement of faith.

That stuff is really bad news, and ought to cause all Christians to rise up against it out of love for souls, concern for the truth, and for the preciousness of the true character of God.

We ought to grieve that views like that have somehow survived down through the ages! So many believe in their traditional views rather then in scriptural views!

But I do praise God that great men, who were sound and clear headed, like John Wesley, John Fletcher, Charles Finney, George Fox, and other great men took such strong stances against such horrific beliefs.

"Unity whenever possible, but truth at any cost" Martin Luther

(PS. I'm confused as to why you would even compare me to any great man, especially men like Duncan or Evans. Of course I am absolutely nothing compared to great men, I'm a nobody... And if you ever want to know anything about your own nothingness, feel free to compare yourself to Wesley, Fletcher, Finney, or Fox)

R
roaringlamb Jul 21, 2007

We believe that God so hates the majority of the world that He did not give His Son for the whole world. (John 3:16)

I have never said that God does not love the world, but that love is manifest in differing ways. Mercy is what all men have in that they are able to breathe, and live, and have crops etc. But this love does not bring anyone to Christ as the natural man will eat all this up, and then create his own idol to worship rather than worship his Creator.

Note also what this is saying, and to whom. This verse was spoken to a Jewish religious leader who was of the thought that the Messiah would save only the Jews and leave the Gentiles to perish as was common thought then. Yet Christ says, "no Nicodemas, God so loved all nations and types of people that He sent His Son."

Then comes the main part, "that whosoever believeth on Him shall not perish..." Notice it does not say "whosoever will be saved", but "whosoever believeth", and because we know that the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit, and that no man can come to Christ unless the Father draws him, believing is not something man can do on his own.

We believe that Jesus died only for us special few, and not for the sins of the whole world. (1John 4:9)

Here is the verse you use-
1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Now nowhere does it say anything about Christ dying for sins of the whole world, and also, who is the "us" and the "we" referring to? If it is unsaved, then you have universal redemption, if it is to Christians, you have encouragement to them, in and through Christ and his work.

We believe that God is willing that the majority should perish, and that they should remain impentient in their sin. (2Pet 3:9)

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Again, who is this adressed to?
2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
And to further show the audience,
2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, [b]to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:[/b]

Who did Peter write the First EPistle to?
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, [b]to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:[/b]
Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Unless I am mistaken Peter is adressing Christians. Therefore, we must look at what he is saying to them.

So looking at this verse in the context of the Epistle-
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Who is God long suffering towards? "us"
Who is the "us"? Christians
Any of who? in context, it would be Christians, as Peter is explaining to the believers why Christ has not returned yet, it is to finish bringing in His people.

We believe that those that the Lord has "bought" with His blood are eternally and unconditionally secure, and cannot "bring upon themselves swift destruction" (2Pet 2:1)

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Where does it say anything about being bought by blood? It is true that it says these were purchased, but by whom?

Unfortunately, I have to use Greek here. The term for Lord is not kurios which is found in salvation or redemption passages, but rather despotes from which we get the term despot. This term is along the lines of a sovereign master. Now did not Christ purchase all the World, and is He not Ruler over all mankind saved and unsaved? Did He not purchase the field, to gain the treasure?

So yes Christ owns these men, as their Creator, and one whom they will answer to, bt there is no mention of them being redeemed. Even the Greek word for bought, which is agorazo, when it is used in salvation passages always has the element by which this happened. Take for instance-
1Co 6:20 For [b]ye are bought with a price:[/b] therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's

There only two passages where this word is used to point to a purchase of salvation, and your passage is not one of them.

We believe that a "worst thing" will not come, and cannot come, upon the elect even if they fail to "sin no more"(John 5:14) because we are tempted beyond what we are able (1Cor 10:13) and God's commandments are impossible (1John 5:3), therefore Christians sin "every day in word, thought, and deed" but are not "of the devil" (1John 3:8) even though they daily continue in sin.

Your first verse-
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

How this applies I do not know, as this was prior to the work of the Cross, and the payment for sin, and seems out of place in this discussion.

Next one-
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

This is pointing to God's gracious work in our trials brother, and should be used to encourage not to beat upon. The word for temptation does not have any link to sinful activities, but rather trials, adn Paul is saying that God is faithful in the trials He allows to also present a way out of them.

Next-
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Yes, but this again is written to Christians who have the Spirit to help keep them, and also these are already justified, having the ordinances against them blotted out and nailed to His cross(Col 2:13,14)

And if a Christian never sins again, what of this-
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Of course the sin unto death would be the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit would it not?

Your last one-
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Yes he that commits sin is imitating the devil, this does not say he belongs to him. but Christ destroyed or loosed(LIT) the bonds of those works. The point here is that no one who says he is a Christian will go on in an unrepentant attitude towards sin, he cannot because there is a new nature in him that causes him to grieve and repent.

As far as i have explained these verse properly, I say AMEN.

One last point, the message you are preaching does not need Christ to have died, and would be welcomed by many who seek to justify themselves according tou their own good works. but you have blurred justification adn sanctification, adnmade them one and the same, when they are different.

True justification cannot but lead to sanctification, but God does not re-open the books and retry you for the sin you have already been redeemed from. We do not operate as criminals once we are justified, but as sons, and thus we have access throgh Christ and His work and His merit, and this will produce sanctification in the life of the child of God.


R
roaringlamb Jul 21, 2007

But I do praise God that great men, who were sound and clear headed, like John Wesley, John Fletcher, Charles Finney, George Fox, and other great men took such strong stances against such horrific beliefs.

Ahh yes wondrous men. Only two on that list held to anything remotley Biblical so far as salvation is concerned, and they would not be Fox and Finney.

Fox believed that all men had an "inner light", and thus did not need even Bibles to tell them how to live, ads they could simply trust the light within. Only problem, is that the light within natural man is the light of deception.

Finney lied to get ordained. He said that he agreed with all the Wesminster Confession, but once he was ordained, he began to tear apart and ridicule those who helped him.

Sadly, much of what these men preached did not need Christ to die for sin and raise for justification as man could do it on his own, or at least with a little help.

At least Wesley, and Fletcher somewhat believed in justification by faith alone. Sadly though the Church of England was never really out of their veins or out of Rome, and much of their theology reflects that.

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We believe that Jesus died only for us special few, and not for the sins of the whole world. (1John 4:9)
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Here is the verse you use-
1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Sorry about that, I meant this scripture:

1Jo 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and [b]not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [/b]

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We believe that those that the Lord has "bought" with His blood are eternally and unconditionally secure, and cannot "bring upon themselves swift destruction" (2Pet 2:1)
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2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Where does it say anything about being bought by blood? It is true that it says these were purchased, but by whom?

"It is true that it says these were purchased, but by whom?"

"denying the [b]Lord[/b] that [b]bought[/b] them"

One last point, the message you are preaching does not need Christ to have died, and would be welcomed by many who seek to justify themselves according tou their own good works

That's absurd. Good works cannot save those who have already sinned. No amount of repenting and believing will ever wipe away guilt, only God's grace can. God cannot forgive without the shedding of blood. But now that Christ's blood has been shed for the whole world, God can forgive all men who repent and believe.

J
jordanamo Jul 21, 2007

Sort of fail to understand the motive/point behind this thread... why was it created exactly, to cause further argumentation concerning Calvinism vs. Arminism?

Must we?... These are unedifying debates, I don't think I've ever witnessed a fruitful debate concerning these doctrinal disputations. Both sides of the camps are in mud up to their knees (unable to move), and when they get in arguments there's mud flying everywhere.

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worm4Christ said

its just a waste of time, as I'm beginning to view this whole forum experience, what with the wacked out, weird links that "grannie annie" is posting, and Corey H's "news" items, not to mention the "sermons" we get from Jed Morrell, this forum is turning into a real hellhole....thank God, the website has the sermon downloads.

very very depressing and grievous.

Name dropping like this is very uncool. Accusing others' posts of being "wierd" or "whacked out" is uncalled for. And calling the forum a "hellhole" is over the top.

Have I offended you in some way for you to use my name negatively?

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Fox believed that all men had an "inner light", and thus did not need even Bibles to tell them how to live, ads they could simply trust the light within. Only problem, is that the light within natural man is the light of deception.

Roaringlamb, I assume Fox believed in the internal conscience, as do I. I suppose you don't believe sinners have an inner conscience (inner light)? Didn't Adam and Eve recieve the knowledge of good and evil when they ate, and don't we inherit this knowledge, also called the conscience, so that we know right from wrong? Do you really hold it against George Fox that he believed man had a conscience?

Men could not be accountable if they didn't know any better, but all men are accountable because all men have a conscience.

Joh 1:9 - "That was the true Light, which [b]lighteth every man that cometh into the world"[/b]

Romans 2:14 - "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, [b]do by nature the things contained in the law[/b], these, having not the law, are [b]a law unto themselves[/b]: Which shew the work of the [b]law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,[/b] and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"

There is no doubt however that the internal revelation we have is limited, and only adequate enough to tell us initially right and wrong, though we can later sear our consciences through continual refusal to obey it.

And so even though we are inherit a conscience, a knowledge of good and evil, this internal light or internal revelation still needs external revelation, which is why God wrote the bible. Our conscience doesn't tell us all things or all truth, but simply what is morally right and what is morally wrong. But we still need further revelation, which comes through external revelation, so internal revelation is not at all sufficient for the disciple of Christ, who must continually learn from Christ.

Even Van Til and John Calvin taught that we inherit a conscience, an "inner light" or that we all have natural or internal revelation. Many theologians, both Calvinist and Armenian, have spoken about "natural theology" or man's "inner consciousness" also known as the truth of conscience. But internal light does not exclude the absolutely necessity of eternal revelation, and further light through the enlightening of the Holy Ghost.

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Who said I believed such things as you outlined in your original post?

Which was a post that contained purposefull UNtruths in an crude unedifying attempt to maybe in your MIND seperate the wheat from the chaff, but the fault is mine, because as Paul warned Timothy:

"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels" 2 Timothy 3:23

My elder Paul is right, and I am wrong, and I intend on cleaving to what he wrote in Scripture in this matter.

On the matter of discussing Scripture, there are two paths, one is iron sharpening iron, the other is useless and stupid arguments. The former is what I desire, but I see it less and less in these dark days, even among the saints.

as far as "comparing" you to Evan Roberts or Duncan Campbell, I want you to consider the ministry of Evan Roberts, for a brief season, he was used by God as a young man in revival, embraced by the hungry masses, then slowly opposers began to appear, said that what God was working thru and in him was not of God. After the fires of revival had been banked in Wales, he spent the rest of his life engaged in a private but powerful secret prayer ministry, anonymous to all but God the Father.

Look at the picture of him. I know it is folly to judge the outside of man, but look at his eyes.

Consider the ministry and testimony of Duncan Campbell, used of God as a young man in the mid Argyll revival of the 1920's, and then as he said he made the worst decision, he went into the ministry, meaning he got ordained, and pastored up a church, and started going thru the motions, for 17 years. 17 years in the desert of religiousity. This is by his own heartfelt admission, he was being real with God and himself, and it took the early morning admonitioning of his own daughter to awaken him from his slumber. The next day he resigned his pastorate and went forth, what happened next was the Hebridean revival of the the late 40's and early 1950's.

They thought they were "nobodies" and testified eagerily to this reality. Jesse, if you consider yourself a "nobody", then take down your open air out reach website with its music, and its pictures and its self exhaltation, take down the video's from you tube, where you argue on these campus "outreaches", that do nothing to prick the heart and consciences of those who do not know Christ. I watch them and grieve, because all I see is strife and religiousity, screaming and arguing.

But, if the Lord is telling you to keep them up, keep them up, don't listen to me....I'm serious, who am I? Just a poor lone struggling saint, that's all. Ray Comfort is a good man, a Godly man, Jed Smock is not. Is that slander? No, beacuse the Holy Spirit that lives IN me testifies to this.

Personally, for myself, outside of Scripture, the Godly men of the past that I admire and model on are not the Finney's, Wesley's, Luther's, Foxes, Fletcher's, etc. It is Evan Robert's, Duncan Campbell, David Brainerd's and yes even Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who is so reviled by many on this forum, because these men were alone and they preached a Gospel of Grace, and they did it with no large following or fanfare, but only in the Bosom of Christ, who's Blood is sufficient to save, M'Cheyne too, I loved that man, and his prayer was "Lord, make me as holy as a saved sinner can be".

These mean didnt concern themselves with "doctrine" or "systematic theology", they concerned themselves with Jesus and the utter simple FAITH that lived in them, and from that simple simple faith, came the outpouring of the Holy Ghost.

This Faith, this Gospel is SO simple, the rest of the palaber is just religion, and words and talk. The only thing worth anything is Jesus and Him crucified.

that's all I have to say, except may God bless you and bless your marriage, may it be long, and may God give you many "arrows" with this dear woman.

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Have I offended you in some way for you to use my name negatively?

yes.

You post news articles that sow and spread fear, not faith....and then you have Grannie Annie to butress you with "yes and amens" and she posts a plethora of web links that take one on a hellish ride of fear and loathing. I know she thinks she's just opening the eyes of the blind, as you are, but you both are not, you are sowing fear.

Not with me, though. Are the days dark? Oh yes, but they are passing, they are but the dross of the world, not worthy to bury in one's heart. Faith is the opposite of fear, no bomb shelter will protect you, no assault rifle, no gold bars, none of it will guard your heart or mortal tent you inhabit, only Jesus and faith in Him.

and there is one other thing, you wrote in another thread that offended me, but I don't even want to get into it, because you revealed what you think, and I've seen that sort of rhetoric before, and it's a waste of time to argue with such. I've been down that road with others, no more.

as far as being "uncool"....I've never been "cool", I might stumble at times, but I don't worry about "cool" or "uncool", when I stumble or fall, as God provides his Holy Spirit to bring one of His into line, I find that dropping to my knees, confessing, repenting and praying is indeed "balm in Gilead".

"hellhole" is just another way of saying that some of the stuff I read here is NOT of Christ, and if its not of Christ, or not edifying, but solely designed to sow fear, it is a lie, and that is hellish. Have I been clear enough for you?

and as final note: I would, if I was you, reconsider the signoff you have, quoting three men, who have nothing to do with Christ.

Don't worry Corey, I leave you the floor, I won't be around here much longer.

J
jordanamo Jul 21, 2007

worm4christ,

Your posts here in my view were not edifying to the Body. There are places for loving correction, but what you did was not in my view. Learn to love the brethren, even when they may be wrong and in error. Correct them where you feel lead to but do not insult my fellow brethren as you did here... GrannieAnnie, Jesse, and Corey. Their unique in their own ways and with faults but all live to serve Christ.

I find many disagreeing points with Jesse and am disgruntled with some facets of his ministry. But at the end of the day I still consider him a brother in the Lord. He's young and needs all the prayer he can get, scolding him and comparing him to Evan Roberts and displaying a picture of him that makes him look bad is not good for the Body.

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I recieve your correction in the spirit it was given. I might not agree, dear one, but I recieve it, know that.

God bless you, dear brother.

R
roaringlamb Jul 21, 2007

Joh 1:9 - "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world"

But what does man do with this light?
Joh 1:5 And [b]the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.[/b]

Joh 3:19 And [b]this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.[/b]

Notice what Paul says about "darkness" here-
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and [b]to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan[/b] unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Natural man will not come to God because of general revelation, or the conscience. Neither of these are means to salvation, because if they are, then the Gospel of Christ's death and ressurection is vain.

The Holy Spirit must convict men of sin, righteousness, and judgement to come. No man can do this, no matter how hard he tries, as the natural man receives or comprehends not the things of God for they are spiritually understood.

Notice too after your verse(John 1:9) comes this-
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 [b]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.[/b]

Faith is a result of the new birth, not the cause of it, and this new birth is given by God alone.

Consider this verse-
James 1:18 [b]Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth,[/b] that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Or this one-
1Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, [b]which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again[/b] unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Of course men know there is a Creator, but they supress this knowledge and hate this fact, they build for themselves idols and worship and serve the creature rather than the Creator. They will not come because they cannot come, and as a blind man who senses the sun but never sees it, they wander blind, and lost until the Spirit opens their eyes.

Fox's error is that man can of his own "free" unchanged heart know God. Thus even today many Quaker meetings have little to no Scripture, but much sitting around open to the spirit. They accept all because all have "light" suposedly.

Now my comment about Wesley and Fletcher was not to infer that they were Roman Catholic, but to show how they too made the fatal mistake that Rome makes in blurring justification and sanctification, and saying that a must be sanctified to be justified. Paul referred to this(adding any work to be justified, aside from faith alone) as another Gospel.

Just wanted to make clear what I was saying, before some decided what I wasn't saying. :-)

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Worm you are wrong. Corey doesn't need some woman he doesn't even know to "buttress" him.

When Charles Finney did his extensive book on Masonry, he risked his own life and many said he was "bringing fear", yet I admire that man incredibly for stepping out of the box and self-protection as he did and doing something to save The Church from a very destructive power that has Infiltrated not only the Church but all governments. That is documented but would you fault him for "bringing fear" ?

If anyone "fears" any links that are well documented, it is because they have not the confidence in the LORD and what Jesus called the Comforter in full command of their lives.

The Bible is very very clear that "perilous times will come" and that the persecution and tribulation coming is horrendously fearful, so would you take those type verses out because they are a fearful thing or would you Research what Jesus commanded that we "watch" as "signs of 'our' times" ?

What you have said in your post this morning is that all of your posts are from GOD always and ours are not. I have read most of your posts and I think you've taken a lot upon yourself also.

Please do not link Corey "with" me, as I barely know the man, but find that what he posts to be well documented and his spirit for posting what he does, comes from a heart that is protective of others, whether one believes what he posts or not.

He does not have the stock piles or weapons, etc that you implied and neither do I, so please don't add more to people's posts than necessary.

Freedom of speech here has been granted to those who assume an awful lot about members they don't know at all but those who post links that are documented are called the "divisive ones" and divisions come when folks don't even care to get to know the others behind their monitors.

"hellhole" is just another way of saying that some of the stuff I read here is NOT of Christ, and if its not of Christ, or not edifying, but solely designed to sow fear, it is a lie, and that is hellish. Have I been clear enough for you?


How dare you ?

What you and Mike have posted today, that I have just now found, has been all that I felt and why the Lord got me out of bed last week, to post on a certain thread on Devotional Thoughts.

These type posts I've read today is what that fear "I' woke with was -- so now I understand that alarm I had that shook me to the core.

My fear was not of those in high places or governments, but of those in the Church.


Those were the verses I posted last nite again.

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You post news articles that sow and spread fear, not faith....and then you have Grannie Annie to butress you with "yes and amens" and she posts a plethora of web links that take one on a hellish ride of fear and loathing. I know she thinks she's just opening the eyes of the blind, as you are, but you both are not, you are sowing fear.

"And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." (JUDE 1:22-23)

Would you prefer that no one raise a finger, or a word, against encroaching "anti-terrorist" legislation that threatens the individual libterty of U.S. and Canadian citizens...? Or that we silently acquiesce to an ever more invasive survellience society...? Or microchips the size of a grain of rice that can be implanted under the skin and tracked by Global Positioning Satellites...?

"If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul." (EZE 33:3-5)

I'm alarmed. I'm disturbed. And I wish more people were.

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GrannieAnnie said

He does not have the stock piles or weapons, etc that you implied and neither do I, so please don't add more to people's posts than necessary.

Speak fer yerself... ain't no one gitten near ma' goooold! Ya hear?!?

Hehe. To anyone thought Corey was actually building a bomb shelter in his back yard... I'm not. I live in an apartment building.

It's called 'humor'.

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