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Dr. Ron Paul, Next Christian President?

sermonindex Jul 22, 2007

The Antiwar, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Drug-Enforcement-
Administration, Anti-Medicare Candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul

By CHRISTOPHER CALDWELL
Published: July 22, 2007

Whipping westward across Manhattan in a limousine sent by Comedy Central’s “Daily Show,” Ron Paul, the 10-term Texas congressman and long-shot Republican presidential candidate, is being briefed. Paul has only the most tenuous familiarity with Comedy Central. He has never heard of “The Daily Show.” His press secretary, Jesse Benton, is trying to explain who its host, Jon Stewart, is. “He’s an affable gentleman,” Benton says, “and he’s very smart. What I’m getting from the pre-interview is, he’s sympathetic.”

Paul nods.

“GQ wants to profile you on Thursday,” Benton continues. “I think it’s worth doing.”

“GTU?” the candidate replies.

“GQ. It’s a men’s magazine.”

“Don’t know much about that,” Paul says.

Thin to the point of gauntness, polite to the point of daintiness, Ron Paul is a 71-year-old great-grandfather, a small-town doctor, a self-educated policy intellectual and a formidable stander on constitutional principle. In normal times, Paul might be — indeed, has been — the kind of person who is summoned onto cable television around April 15 to ventilate about whether the federal income tax violates the Constitution. But Paul has in recent weeks become a sensation in magazines he doesn’t read, on Web sites he has never visited and on television shows he has never watched.

Alone among Republican candidates for the presidency, Paul has always opposed the Iraq war. He blames “a dozen or two neocons who got control of our foreign policy,” chief among them Vice President Dick Cheney and the former Bush advisers Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, for the debacle. On the assumption that a bad situation could get worse if the war spreads into Iran, he has a simple plan. It is: “Just leave.” During a May debate in South Carolina, he suggested the 9/11 attacks could be attributed to United States policy. “Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us?” he asked, referring to one of Osama bin Laden’s communiqués. “They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years.” Rudolph Giuliani reacted by demanding a retraction, drawing gales of applause from the audience. But the incident helped Paul too. Overnight, he became the country’s most conspicuous antiwar Republican.

Paul’s opposition to the war in Iraq did not come out of nowhere. He was against the first gulf war, the war in Kosovo and the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which he called a “declaration of virtual war.” Although he voted after Sept. 11 to approve the use of force in Afghanistan and spend $40 billion in emergency appropriations, he has sounded less thrilled with those votes as time has passed. “I voted for the authority and the money,” he now says. “I thought it was misused.”

There is something homespun about Paul, reminiscent of “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.” He communicates with his constituents through birthday cards, August barbecues and the cookbooks his wife puts together every election season, which mix photos of grandchildren, Gospel passages and neighbors’ recipes for Velveeta cheese fudge and Cherry Coke salad. He is listed in the phone book, and his constituents call him at home. But there is also something cosmopolitan and radical about him; his speeches can bring to mind the World Social Forum or the French international-affairs periodical Le Monde Diplomatique. Paul is surely the only congressman who would cite the assertion of the left-leaning Chennai-based daily The Hindu that “the world is being asked today, in reality, to side with the U.S. as it seeks to strengthen its economic hegemony.” The word “empire” crops up a lot in his speeches.

This side of Paul has made him the candidate of many people, on both the right and the left, who hope that something more consequential than a mere change of party will come out of the 2008 elections. He is particularly popular among the young and the wired. Except for Barack Obama, he is the most-viewed candidate on YouTube. He is the most “friended” Republican on MySpace.com. Paul understands that his chances of winning the presidency are infinitesimally slim. He is simultaneously planning his next Congressional race. But in Paul’s idea of politics, spreading a message has always been just as important as seizing office. “Politicians don’t amount to much,” he says, “but ideas do.” Although he is still in the low single digits in polls, he says he has raised $2.4 million in the second quarter, enough to broaden the four-state campaign he originally planned into a national one.

Paul represents a different Republican Party from the one that Iraq, deficits and corruption have soured the country on. In late June, despite a life of antitax agitation and churchgoing, he was excluded from a Republican forum sponsored by Iowa antitax and Christian groups. His school of Republicanism, which had its last serious national airing in the Goldwater campaign of 1964, stands for a certain idea of the Constitution — the idea that much of the power asserted by modern presidents has been usurped from Congress, and that much of the power asserted by Congress has been usurped from the states. Though Paul acknowledges flaws in both the Constitution (it included slavery) and the Bill of Rights (it doesn’t go far enough), he still thinks a comprehensive array of positions can be drawn from them: Against gun control. For the sovereignty of states. And against foreign-policy adventures. Paul was the Libertarian Party’s presidential candidate in 1988. But his is a less exuberant libertarianism than you find, say, in the pages of Reason magazine....

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin]Full Story Here - NY Times[/url]

sermonindex Jul 22, 2007

Ron Paul: The Christian Conservatives Choice for President in 2008


Why should a Christian who is conservative vote for Ron Paul in 2008?

Well here is a list of reasons why I will vote for Ron Paul as a Christian in the 08 primaries for Republican Candidate for President.

-When he says something he does it. (Thou shall not lie.)
-He has never voted to raise taxes. (Thou shall not steal.)
-He is married to his first wife for over 50 yrs. (Thou shall not commit adultery.)
-He was an OBGYN and delivered over 4,000 babies, he believes were created by our creator and we have a right to life from our creator. (Thou shall not murder.)
-He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. (Fiscally responsible)
-He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. ( The inalienable right to protect yourself.)
-He voted against the Iraq war. ( He believes in declaring war as constitutionally stated by Congress on those who directly attack us. No pre-emptive attacks or policing of other countries.)

He is often referred to as Dr. "NO" in Congress for his refusal to vote for anything he considers unconstitutional, which is almost every bill that is proposed in Congress these days, with special interest first politicians, who will blatantly ignore the rule of law.

If you voted for or liked Ronald Reagan you will like Ron Paul. If he does win the Republican Presidential Primaries in 2008, and goes on to win the White House, how fitting it will be that it all started out at the first Republican debates at the Reagan Library in California.

Paul who is often criticized within the Republican Party establishment for running as the Presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party in 1988, should take a quote from Ronald Reagan, that would today back up his good friend Ron Paul, when he said, "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals -- if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

As a Christian and a fellow American I urge you to check out Ron Paul for President of the United States in 2008.

He is the only true conservative running in the Republican Party and actually has a record to back it up. He strictly believes in the Constitution as a guide for America, and has a passion to uphold it. When he says he'll work to eliminate the IRS and unconstitutional spending he's not lying to you to get elected. He will do it.

I can't think of any candidate in my twenty plus voting years who is quite like Ron Paul. I've even heard some people refer to him as "founding father" material. For a limited government, Constitutionalist Christian like me, Ron Paul is too good to be true, but yet he is true.

[url=http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/305241/ron_paul_the_christian_conservatives.html]Original Link - Associated[/url]

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jordanamo Jul 22, 2007

I think Ron Paul is the best prominent candidate out there that is running, but there's no chance he'll ever be elected in my view.

He has political integrity. Which is a rarity these days.

However, I don't think a Christian should vote for Ron Paul, nor do I think Ron Paul is a Christian (or, I don't know). Christians should do as they feel lead to. I myself will stay out of the political process.

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Bomar Jul 23, 2007

The Covenant News ~ July 21, 2007
We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for our values and our traditions lest they be washed away in a sea of fear and relativism. As you likely know, I am running for President of the United States , and I am asking for your support.

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

I have also acted to protect the lives of Americans by my adherence to the doctrine of “just war.” This doctrine, as articulated by Augustine, suggested that war must only be waged as a last resort--- for a discernible moral and public good, with the right intentions, vetted through established legal authorities (a constitutionally required declaration of the Congress), and with a likely probability of success.

It has been and remains my firm belief that the current United Nations-mandated, no-win police action in Iraq fails to meet the high moral threshold required to wage just war. That is why I have offered moral and practical opposition to the invasion, occupation and social engineering police exercise now underway in Iraq . It is my belief, borne out by five years of abject failure and tens of thousands of lost lives, that the Iraq operation has been a dangerous diversion from the rightful and appropriate focus of our efforts to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us and seek still to undermine our nation, our values, and our way of life.

I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan . I also authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation.

On September 17, 2001, I stated on the house floor that “…striking out at six or eight or even ten different countries could well expand this war of which we wanted no part. Without defining the enemy there is no way to know our precise goal or to know when the war is over. Inadvertently more casual acceptance of civilian deaths as part of this war I'm certain will prolong the agony and increase the chances of even more American casualties. We must guard against this if at all possible.” I’m sorry to say that history has proven this to be true.

I am running for president to restore the rule of law and to stand up for our divinely inspired Constitution. I have never voted for legislation that is not specifically authorized by the Constitution. As president, I will never sign a piece of legislation, nor use the power of the executive, in a manner inconsistent with the limitations that the founders envisioned.

Many have given up on America as an exemplar for the world, as a model of freedom, self-government, and self-control. I have not. There is hope for America . I ask you to join me, and to be a part of it.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul


For More Information Contact:
Paul Dorr
Iowa Field Director
RonPaul2008@ iowatelecom. net
Phone: 712-758-3660

Ron Paul 2008
Presidential Campaign Committee
www.RonPaul2008. com
Phone: 703-248-9115
FAX: 703-248-9119

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deltadom Jul 23, 2007

-He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. ( The inalienable right to protect yourself.)

I am from the Uk, we consider gunship ownership as a horror as they only have one use.

Also how does a president few the Israli- Palestine conflict. Because Israel is a major issue right now and will be until the lord comes back

sermonindex Jul 23, 2007


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

He does seem like a interesting character but not very charismatic. But it does seem as others said that he has "integrity" and honor which is very rare these days.

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Bomar Jul 23, 2007

Honestly Greg, that's the one thing that seems to be so appealing to me about Ron Paul...

Not exactly that I agree 100%, but he's not like every other candidate that floats back and forth with the wind.

He doesn't even take part in the government paid junket or pension system...because he disagrees with them in priniciple.

He may not be SI material, but he's honest, and trying to do what is best for people instead of his own political interests.

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Bomar Jul 23, 2007

Ron Paul is a non-interventionist...he does not believe in America being the world's police force...

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jordanamo Jul 23, 2007


deltadom wrote:
I am from the Uk, we consider gunship ownership as a horror as they only have one use.

America is quite the different place! You might remember how our country was born from a... rebellion against your own country, and if we hadn't had our own guns, it wouldn't of been really possible! That's pretty much why I think the Founding Fathers primarily included it in the Bill of Rights... they saw the necessity for it in their own history.

Of course though, I dislike guns and probably will never own one.

sermonindex Jul 23, 2007

Ron Paul is a non-interventionist...he does not believe in America being the world's police force...

So were the founding fathers. Non-interventionism's in the constitution.

If Ron Paul doesn't become the next U.S. President, I'd love to have him for my Prime Minister in Canada. Thrilled, actually.

sermonindex Jul 23, 2007

We may not a christian choice in 08.
Just write in Jesus. His authority is supreme anyway, just everyone don't know it yet. Reckon we need to tell em. I guess that would be street preaching right!!!!

Col 1:18-20
18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.


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I own a lot of guns, and I am a licensed firearms instructor. There are very strong reasons why guns are in the Bill of Rights: A man with a gun is a citizen... a man without a gun is a subject.

Our founding fathers knew that the key to our freedom was first of all devotion to God... and the ownership of guns. Thomas Jefferson even stated that the American people should overthrow the government every 15 to 20 years, just to keep it honest.

The Declaration of Independence even spells out for us that when a government no longer serves the people, the people have an [b]obligation[/b] to severe the ties between them and the government.

That is why guns are in the Bill of Rights.

Now, I do not think the average citizen needs to have an Uzi. There needs to be common sense.

I dont care how Britain views our ownership of guns... England is on the verge of collapse because it is overrun with Muslims. We certainly have our problems with them being here too... but one of the main reasons they havent been as "active" here as there is because they know there are people like me who wont just sit back and take it.

What happens when you have a "gun free" zone? Look at Virginia Tech. A gunman is free to roam the campus and shoot whoever he wants because no one can stop him.

Certainly there are flaws in the system. This kid never should have been able to buy a gun... but it wasnt the law that failed... it was the goof-ball physchiatrists who didnt report his "condition" to the proper authorities.

Sure, some fall thru the cracks... but I would rather have that happen (falling thru the cracks, I mean... not the murders) than to have a completely unarmed citizenry that is at the mercy of not only the criminals who will still have guns... but also a government who can then force it's will and abuse it's power.

And by the way... there are more uses for guns than just killing people. I'm sick of hearing that. It's absolutely untrue.

There are plenty of shooting sports. The Boy Scouts and 4-H have incredible shooting sports programs that involve shotguns, rifles, archery, etc. Around here there are different rodeo type events that involve horsemanship and shooting. It's a skill sport. There is nothing wrong with that.

And lets not forget about hunting!

Way more people are killed in America with automobiles than guns... ban the cars first.

Krispy

sermonindex Jul 23, 2007

I dont care how Britain views our ownership of guns... England is on the verge of collapse because it is overrun with Muslims. We certainly have our problems with them being here too... but one of the main reasons they havent been as "active" here as there is because they know there are people like me who wont just sit back and take it.

Ugh. Back to "my country can beat up your country"?

Well, America may have produced Bill O'Reilly and Britain made Mr. Bean...

But Canada birthed Celine Dion!

So, la-di-da! Hehe.

sermonindex Jul 24, 2007

Ugh. Back to "my country can beat up your country"?

No it has nothing to do with that at all. England is our greatest friend. But in England gun ownership is non-existant, and thats why their crime rate is astronomical.

In Australia they outlawed gun ownership a few years back, and their crime rate went thru the roof.

See, when you outlaw guns, the only people who obey the laws are the law abiding citizens. Who still has guns? The criminals.

9 times out 10 in America when someone lunatic commits a gun crime you hear everyone yelling for more gun laws. Well, I got news for you... usually the criminal broke about 15 gun laws when he committed the crime. More gun laws do not solve the problem.

In Kennesaw, Georgia they passed a law a few years ago making it [b]mandatory[/b] for all Kennesaw residences to own a gun. It's a law that they dont enforce because the town leaders actually practice a little something called "common sense", understanding that not all citizens are comfortable with guns.

However, the crime rate [b]dropped[/b] to almost ZERO in less than a year, and it's remained there ever sense. It's one of the safest places in America to live... and 90% of the population owns guns. 20/20 even did a piece on Kennesaw after the Virginia Tech shootings.

If you're a burglar, are you going to break into a house in a town where you know that 90% of the citizens own guns? Uhmmm... let me think about this one... hmmm... NO.

And this statistic is true of just about every place where there are a lot of legal gun owners.

I cant stand Bill O'Reilly or Celine Dion... I dont know what they have to do with anything.

This is not a "tougher than you are" issue. It's silly to try and make it one.

The fact is, those who exercise their right to not own guns, and to yell and carry on about those who do can always rely on those of us who do to protect your rights.

Your welcome. :-)

Krispy

PS... Corey, just noticed you're Canadian. Sorry bud, I cant protect you. You're on your own! LOL

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Krispy wrote

England is on the verge of collapse because it is overrun with Muslims.
:-) What?

'overrun'? I hardly think so... and I'm sorry if I've had anything to do with giving you that impression.

But in England gun ownership is non-existant, and thats why their crime rate is astronomical.
Again.... What? 'non-existant'...... 'astronomical'.....?


Brother, you know I love you, so, I have to say that I think you've over-egged the above three puddings.

The main reason there is a crime problem anywhere, is not the lack of gun ownership, but the lack of new hearts and a turning of people's minds by those with their ear, to point them to a Saviour from eternal condemnation. The continual trend of governments towards religious tolerance, which we know will soon begin to compromise our Christian religious freedom (for the lack which many have been dying for centuries), is the other side of this truth.

As I heard an English bishop of the Church of England say recently (Please remember, there [i]is[/i] an association of evangelical Anglicans led by Anglican clergy who do [i]understand[/i] the gospel.) that the real danger to Christianity is not those seeking freedom of religious practice, but the Secularists, who want to 'banish from the public square, any rumour of God'. I was struck by this precise and truthful analysis. I remember the days when it was considered 'intellectually unrespectable' to admit one believed 'in God', over here.

A detailed discussion of the links between politics and recorded crime anywhere, is superfluous, surely. But I was interested in this:

'... Thomas Jefferson even stated that the American people should overthrow the government every 15 to 20 years, just to keep it honest.

The Declaration of Independence even spells out for us that when a government no longer serves the people, the people have an [b]obligation[/b] to severe the ties between them and the government.'

My association with an English Literature student(which y'all know I've mentioned before), caused me to begin to read Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes (17th century), and it is remarkable how exactly your voting system for President still follows his proposals - for which he was branded an atheist, incidentally.

My point is, that he sought to give each adult a way of delegating [i]their authority[/i] to a single head of state, thereby willingly subjecting themselves to that head's choices. Earlier, (16th century) something similar had been discussed philosophically by a French writer. Now, having disposed of 'monarchy' as we see it in the Bible (so we think!), we still believe God chooses our leaders for us, or, lets us have leaders who will correct our foolish ways, to turn our hearts back to Him, as He did with the Hebrews in Egypt.

This has been discussed here on SI in many different ways, and I hope we all now see, that whether we vote or not, if we actually [i]believe[/i] God gives us our rulers, then as Tyndale puts it so eloquently in the prologue to the books of the Old Testament which he had time to translate (now published by Yale)

'... Even so if any of God's children be hurt by any of his brthren, he may not avenge himself with hand or heart. God must avenge. And the governors and ministers of the law that God hath ordained to rule us by concerning our outward conversation of one with another, they must avenge. If they will not avenge, but rather maintain wrong and be opressors themselves, then must we tarry patiently till God come, which is ever ready to reap tyrants off the face of the earth, as soon as their sins are ripe.

Consider also what wrath, vengeance, and plagues God threateneth to them that are rebellious and disobedient.

Then go to and read the stories of the bible for they learning and comfort, and see every thing practised before thine eyes: for according to those examples shall it go with thee and all men until the world's end...'


I don't know where this leaves the right to bear arms, but I see in it a scripturally supportable stance which promotes my highest aspirations... in other words, that I might be willing to die for my Lord, rather than compromise over truth.

Mr Paul would need God's overcoming help to win in the face of all that will be thrown at him and his supporters, as his campaign moves on.

sermonindex Jul 24, 2007

No surprise, my dear sister... I disagree with you.

Well, actually, I agree with this part:

The main reason there is a crime problem anywhere, is not the lack of gun ownership, but the lack of new hearts and a turning of people's minds by those with their ear, to point them to a Saviour from eternal condemnation.

In a perfect world, all would come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and love one another. Since scripture makes it clear that this will never happen... I will do what I have to do to protect those whom God has entrusted to me. And I will (and have done so) fight to preserve what few freedoms we have left in this country. It's an American patriotism that few outside our borders understand. I know it's fashionable on this forum to complain about all that is wrong with America... and there is plenty wrong... but the fact is I wouldnt want to live anywhere else in the world. (Unless of course God called me to live somewhere else... which up until now He hasnt). I've seen most of the world... those Americans who complain the loudest about America have never lived outside of America.

I'm gonna get flamed now for showing my red, white & blue side... but believe it or not, it's possible to be a Patriot and still love Jesus. Thank God most of Founding Fathers thought so too. (And please dont post about how they were "deists"... very few were. Most were born again Bible believers. You've swallowed the Public School lies...)

Krispy

sermonindex Jul 24, 2007

England is our greatest friend.

I thought Canada was your best friend! Longest undefended border in the world, and all...

p.s. I'm not a big O'Reilly fan nor a Dion fan. Just thought the names would fit.

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adamdawkins Jul 24, 2007

Well Krispy, we disagree at last ;)

Crime may be astronomical in Britain, but it's not gun related. The fact is, you need guns in America, because you have guns in America.

The 'gunfree' zone proved my point. I've never heard of a UK school shooting, and all of our schools are gun-free!

As for the constitution, regardless of the faith of the founding fathers - the American constitution is based on liberalism, which ultimately boils down to "every man can do what is right in his own eyes" - I studied the US Constitution. We escaped the rise of Liberalism in the UK because while France had the Revolution we had a Revival - but sadly, we've now caught up. Patriotism isn't wrong, but I don't know one truly Godly constitution or institution in World politics today.


"A man with a gun is a citizen, a man without a gun is a subject"

Well, technically we're all subjects in the UK, because we have a Monarch - oh well.

sermonindex Jul 24, 2007

I thought Canada was your best friend! Longest undefended border in the world, and all...

Thats cuz we're all armed! And y'all know it! ;-)

Hey, you did give us Paul Brandt. He's kinda cool. (Canadian country music singer and born again Christian)

Krispy

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Well, technically we're all subjects in the UK, because we have a Monarch...

I like Monarchs. My wife has a butterfly bush outside our dining room window and it's cool to see those little butterflies come around.

God save the Queen (and I dont mean Freddy Mercury!)

Krispy

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