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America's End is nigh!

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Search_Me Jul 25, 2007

From:

http://www.worldministries.org/america.html#top

"America, America, awake out of your slumber; I will shake you, I will shake you with a shake that has never shaken you before.

You flaunted yourselves above the world; you flaunted yourselves above your neighbor and your neighbors: brother against brother, kingdom against kingdom, people against people, Christian against Christian in your ungodly attempt to self-glorify yourselves. Both in the church and throughout America your leaders religiously, politically and economically are vain, corrupt and amoral. You are fast losing the salt, the purity that has held you together; that has made you great, if not the greatest of all nations.

But, I will bring you down; like the wind brings down the tree, so I will bring you down.

You will not escape my wrath; for it is an expression of my love, my deep love that will do all it can to get your attention before my eternal wrath, to remove all those who do not and will not love thy neighbor, will fall.

Some say, many say, 'Oh, we will escape. It will not happen to us; for we are your elect; we are God's chosen.' But, I say, you have blinded yourselves with your own vanity. My elect are not the people, the church in America; but my elect are the people of the world that are called by my name and do my will on earth as it is done in heaven. Not people with a false tongue of divination of thy heart, but of divination of my will.

For you are a thankless, godless, amoral generation that has been raised by the philosophies of the heathen and I will challenge your philosophies till you hate me and my people. My people will not escape your wrath -- the wrath of the world as some falsely teach; for only the world's wrath will open their eyes clearly to what I am saying so they are prepared to meet me.

I am coming quickly for a people, a church without spot or wrinkle; a blood washed, blood soaked people who are really called Christian; not the hypocritical, self-righteous, self-taught, self-educated fool who propitiates his own dogma today.

I will tear down the haughty; the mighty religious leader in my kingdom, in my church who has deceived my people with your ever babbling rhetoric that has filled the pulpits across America. Instead of my church being one, you have become institutionalized where my true servants are not even welcomed because you're protecting your own man-made philosophies and your own selfish interests. You think the people are yours, but I tell you they are mine and your man-made denominational institutions will fail; for I am shaking and calling the very elect to follow me, not you. Awake, awake, oh Jerusalem; for the King of Glory is about to appear and only the true elect, the glorified elect, will live in that New Jerusalem that I am preparing.

America, your religious leaders are vain and corrupt; your church leaders are vain and corrupt; your political leaders are vain and corrupt; your relatives are vain and corrupt; your neighbors are vain and corrupt. A generation of heathen, those that appear to many as the elect -- my chosen, yet, I have not accepted them because I can see their heart. They are imitations of the genuine; a pearl in the rough.

But don't give up; for I will wash you and prepare you through the fire of my love, not the world's wrath, but my love. As a father chastens his children, so I will chasten you and tear down your sand castles, your delusions of grandeur, until you can see the kingdom again."

On December 24, 1995 at 0541hrs., Rev. Jonathan Hansen received this prophecy primarily for the people who call themselves "born again." The Lord is saying that he will exhort the American people to look to him. He will cause an incident to happen in America so great so as to get their attention. This could possibly be through the weather, food, disease, economy (although it would have to be a much greater degree than we have yet experienced), etc., or nuclear war at a national level.

God is saying that the people of America are guilty of intense pride, intense self-exaltation and self-satisfaction. In all areas of life in America, including the Church, most of the people are filled with pleasing themselves. The leaders in America, even in the Church for the most part, are filled with self-glorification and self-attainment. Many of their leaders not only have a gluttonous appetite for glory and "the things of the world," but some are guilty of immorality and amorality. Many church leaders do not know right from wrong any longer. Many are guilty of lying, cheating, fornication and adultery. Because so many of the pastors have become amoral and are no longer either capable or bold enough to counsel truth, the American people are turned over to the philosophies of evil men and satanic spirits. The psychic, the philosopher, the professor, and even eastern religions take the place of the truth of Jesus Christ that should be taught fundamentally, doctrinally sound and without error. But the message is not popular with people of America, nor with many deceived pastors within the Church. So, the people of America turn to the lies of the cult and occult because a true servant of the Lord is not popular even within his own denomination. They dance to the fiddle of the majority who are intrigued by the psychics' predictions, but are deaf to the words and warnings of a true prophet. Thus, the people of America and members of the church are conned by false doctrine. They are inept to scripturally and spiritually deal with the deceptions, lies, lusts, lifestyles, values, behaviors, sins and spirits that are in our society and church.

God is saying that he will bring down (humble, shame) the American people, including many church leaders. Many people in America and members of churches feel immune from the catastrophes that have struck other countries such as war, famine, disease, persecution, etc. But, God is warning that the people, both in society and the Church, will not escape his dealings with them. There are hard times ahead for both the Church and people of America. Great trouble, plagues and persecution lie ahead. This is needed out of God's deep eternal love to give every opportunity for people to repent and prepare themselves for the coming of the Lord.

When there is a lack of righteousness and holiness in peoples' lives, they compromise. They are afraid to speak the truth to others. They lie and give excuses for their unfaithfulness by saying they do not want to hurt people's feelings. You can say it another way, but the truth is, their own relationship with God is lacking. In reality, they do not have the spiritual strength to obey the spirit; nor are they led by the Spirit, but by their own understanding, mentality and flesh. They find it difficult to give godly counsel because, according to his Word, they do not have an intimate relationship with the Author of Truth. Thus, they do not know what the truth is, or if they do, they do not have the spirit (strength) to do or say what he asks of them.

The majority of the Church in America lacks holiness and righteousness. God must and will prepare them for his return. For he will not allow his New Jerusalem to be polluted, corrupt, diseased, poverty stricken, ruled by the vain, immoral or amoral, again. Before his final judgment when people are sentenced to eternal separation or eternal life with him in the New Jerusalem, Jesus will give more opportunity for a change of heart. The American "born again Christian" will be chastened by the Lord and tried by the fire. God will force events to deal with their spiritually weak condition until the American Christian (true believer) will look to the Lord for their strength and call upon the Lord earnestly, not out of some mythical explanation or prayer. Through the changing events and new laws in society, the American believer will be forced of God to take his stand on spiritual and moral truths until they are hated and persecuted by society. The American Christian will not escape having to take his stand and position in the Lord!

Wrong doctrine taught by denominations and pastors will be exposed by time itself, by the Holy Spirit, by the Scriptures, which will finally be studied studiously by the elect instead of just accepted from the pulpit. Many large churches, denominations, church leaders and pastors will fall. They will be rejected both by society and by the believer, for their vain lifestyle and teaching of God's Word. Eventually all godly organized churches and ministries will be shut down as persecution of the true believer takes its full course. As believers have suffered in many countries throughout the world for their faith, so many will now suffer in America.

The Lord Jesus is warning the American Christians that he is preparing to return to earth. Before he returns, he will give more opportunities for both the unbeliever and believer to prepare for his coming. Great trouble will fall on America along with a major Crisis that will change the American lifestyle. He warns that the born again believer will also be challenged by the Lord through the change of events in American lifestyle, calamities and persecution. But through it all the true Church will become holy without spot or wrinkle and learn to trust in Jesus. Amen and amen!

sermonindex Jul 25, 2007

The reproach of Immoral unrepenting Christians will be done away with as are Lord Jesus draws near. Thank you Jesus. Help me Lord to be closer to you and more like Jesus, Amen.

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There is no doubt that God is and will deal with America's sins. Just wish I had a nickle for every so-called "prophet" who declares the obvious.

Krispy

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crsschk Jul 25, 2007

God is saying ...

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Act 15:15 -
[b]The words of the prophets[/b] - Amo_9:11-12. It was a very material point with them, as Jews, to inquire whether this was in accordance with the predictions of the Scriptures. The most powerful revivals of religion, and the most striking demonstrations of the divine presence, will be in accordance with the Bible, and should be tested by them. This habit was always manifested by the apostles and early Christians, and should be followed by Christians at all times. Unless a supposed work of grace accords with the Bible, and can be defended by it, it must be false, and should be opposed. Compare Isa_8:20.

Barnes

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MSeaman Jul 25, 2007


KrispyKrittr wrote:
There is no doubt that God is and will deal with America's sins. Just wish I had a nickle for every so-called "prophet" who declares the obvious.

Krispy

well, they aren't as bad as the ones who are saying, peace, health, prosperity...sure go ahead and keep sinning, God will BLESS you anyway... :-o

and I'd take a dime ;-)

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crsschk Jul 25, 2007

well, they aren't as bad as ...

Not to be too didactic but is there any real substantive difference when God has said neither?

If even the 'hard' things are spoken does this lend more credence to it just because of that?

Here is a challenge that I wonder if is ever considered;

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will [b]not endure sound doctrine[/b]; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, [u]having itching ears[/u];

2Ti 4:4 [b]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables[/b].

2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

And that includes those who would appeal more to our particular liking, denouncing sin, desiring repentance, speaking to the moral woes of our culture ... still, "[i]itching ears?[/i]"

The one large looming question is always this; Do these things [i]sound[/i] like God Himself? The inflection of His voice from what He has already spoken (written), His attributes and character ... Do we know the difference?

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MSeaman Jul 25, 2007


crsschk wrote:
well, they aren't as bad as ...

Not to be too didactic but is there any real substantive difference when God has said neither?

If even the 'hard' things are spoken does this lend more credence to it just because of that?

The one large looming question is always this; Do these things [i]sound[/i] like God Himself? The inflection of His voice from what He has already spoken (written), His attributes and character ... Do we know the difference?

To be serious, your point is well taken, Brother. A false prophet is a false prophet. It is very sad to see how many people are caught up in what these people say and seek them for their knowledge. I know people who I believe love the Lord who, for some reason I cannot fathom, believe all these things are from God. I just pray for discernment in these days of deception.

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I have problems with the title only so far. Haven't read it too closely because it sounds like the same that anyone could give who has an ounce of the Holy Spirit in them in these days.

Don't have any really strong feeling about Hansen one way or another. Have heard him for years and he doesn't 'shake' me. The Lord has never yet to tell me to listen to or "follow" any Prophet 'out there'. I believe if one depends on the LORD entirely, that He'll fulfill Jn 16:13 in that person individually.

I think when the Two Witnesses come, they better shake us. Ha.

Anyhow, there's always been two problems with God's people, #1 - they've despised the Prophets and always wanted to shut them up. #2 - there are more false prophets than true.

BUT, in the N.T. it is written that "the prophets are to judge the prophets" but we still can by The Word first & with the Holy Spirit Only and not our minds/emotions.

That's an important verse and Paul said plainly "despise not prophesying".

Problem is, we don't know the real from the false because there are TOO many "prophets or prophesying" and they're going to increase in numbers and "utterances". Caution is Good and Biblical, yet at the same time, there are Biblical rules to handling these things that we must be careful about.

Only two things to be done .... Unless the Bible totally contradicts the "sayings" in the prophecy ... we must just respect it, leave it alone, and pray about it and whatever it says.

If there is heresy in other parts of the "prophet" including his eschatological views, then toss it.

Or a bad lifestyle or how does he make his MONEY ???

If we find ourselves coming against a real prophet or prophecy, then the Word is pretty clear that we will come under the judgments of that prophecy & the judgment of coming against a true prophet & coming against the Holy Spirit Himself, so that is why it is best to say little --- unless all of the other perimeters of the person themselves and the content is Anti or Extra-Biblical.

Dangerous stuff from top to bottom, so we only have --- HA --- felt funny saying "only have" --- but we DO have BIBLES to compare things to and that is wiser than to find ourselves despising prophecies on emotions only or some sort of intellectual bias, as Paul Etc. warned.

Best to just stick these things on the back burner of the brain or spirit and let The Lord deal with it, lest we find ourselves coming against the Holy Spirit.

I don't [b]know[/b] about Hanson and don't need to, but I don't believe personally America's "end" is nigh.
America as we knew it --- yes, but the total annihilation is not due yet.

And if anything, the false Pastor's and leaders will prosper and the true Saints will be persecuted. The Compromisers buy a little "time" for themselves. No need to say what will happen to them afterwards.

Just best to stay circumspect on all of these issues and how to deal with them to stay safe ourselves.

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MSeaman Jul 25, 2007

GrannieAnnie said:
And if anything, the false Pastor's and leaders will prosper and the true Saints will be persecuted. The Compromisers buy a little "time" for themselves. No need to say what will happen to them afterwards.

so true...Real prophets are despised, not esteemed of men...at least they were in the Bible.

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Search_Me Jul 25, 2007

i am the one who made the title for the post but it is not the prophecy's title.

friends, if you go to the site listed and scroll to the bottom of the page then you can download the complete Word of the Lord spoken through Brother Hansen.

God, through His servant, details places, dates and times.

i'm not one either who follows everyone who claims to be this or that yet i also cannot discard everyone based on those who are false.

prophet hansen preaches pure doctrine and thus far his prophetic utterances for kenya etc etc have been 100% accurate without fail in any single prophetic word.

he also denounces the prosperity gospel and upholds Biblical truth as a lion her cubs.

please take the time to read through the entire message contained on the site at the bottom of the page.

may God bless us with preparation with His warning.

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I dont know if this man is a true prophet or not. I do know he jumped on the Y2K bandwagon pretty hard... and then nothing happened. So, it makes me wonder.

However, I dont have an argument with his "prophecy". I think tho, most folks who have a basic understanding of God's nature know that He is not happy with the sins of this nation. And most would agree that sins do not go unpunished. Therefore, as common sense and history teach us... judgement will come.

So in the end... how much of a prophet do you need to be to make these utterances? Not much, in my estimation.

I read one of the prophecies this man gave about Canada where he shows that Canada's problem is all the immigrants and how they are bringing their sinful ways into Canada because they are attempting to escape God's judgement in their own countries... and the judgement is following them into Canada.

What...?

Uhmm... even the Indians were immigrants at one point. Both Canada and America are immigrant countries. And people come to these two countries for a million different reasons.

So, I do think this is a good word for America, even tho it's just basic common sense. It's not rocket science.

I am, however, leery of someone who is a self proclaimed prophet and who bought into and promoted the Y2K doom and gloom. And I've read all the different "prophets" explanations about why Y2K seemed to be a dud... I'm not buying it. It didnt send us into a recession, or anything else. Even 9/11 didnt send us into a recession. Folks, I have news for you... despite the BS you're being fed by the media... we are in an economic boom! I can proove it! I've never been so busy. And my stocks are super right now.

It could change over night, sure. I know that. The world economy could collapse over night. Thats been true ever since there was a stock market. Look at 1929.

My point is... judgement is coming. For sure. No doubt. But these doom and gloom prophets have been predicting this ever since the 1970's... setting dates for when the economy is going to collapse, etc. Jack Van Impe has made a career out of it.

It's all a design to get our eyes off of Jesus and get us to worry.

I'm ready. If it all collapses tomorrow... I'm ready.

Krispy

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Search_Me Jul 25, 2007

Krispy, can you show us this y2k thing by mr hansen? i have never seen this and thank you in advance for your help.

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Search_Me, I used to listen to shortwave. Still do on occasions, but now mostly just the BBC or others that are on FM dial.

That's where I heard Jonathan Hansen years ago and the last I heard, he's still on there.

First he was just on The Prophecy Club broadcast, then he got his own show.

Looked on the web and there are lots of listings under "Jonathan Hansen Y2K" ... what I stuck into Search thingie.

I was listening to them all before Y2K. But the bulk of what I got about Y2K was all that me and friends were cutting out of our local newspapers and they were all warnings from Senators etc.

Anyhow, just grabbed a quick one here....

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004dY

Krispy's right. But don't despair --- you have John 16:13 for "yourself". BLESS GOD ONLY !!!

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Krispy, can you show us this y2k thing by mr hansen? i have never seen this and thank you in advance for your help.

I refer you to Grannie and Google... :-)

Please bear in mind that I am in no way purposely trying to discredit Mr. Hansen. Because of my past experience with "prophets" I always tread extremely cautiously. I dont take anyone's word for it when they claim to speak the very words of God.

Krispy

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The BODY works as One good Brother. :-D

Hey, ya know what bothers me the most about this stuff .....

http://www.crosssearch.com/Science_and_Social_Science/Theology_and_Issues/Prophecy/


Is that when the unsaved see how many false prophecies there are ... then when you try to give them the 'real stuff' from The Word Alone, then they say, "Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, I'm sick of hearing all's this gloom & doom junk".

I've had Y2K thrown at me too ... but it wasn't because I was prophesying or showing them prophesy about "y2k" but because what some of us are feeling now, is 'similar' to the warnings going out then that failed to materialize.

Even Christians are so bloody burnt out on this stuff, that they "don't want to hear one negative thing from the Holy Spirit" ... HA ... I heard an actual Pastor Say that. HOY!

Looking to prophets is an O.T. thing.
We don't need to nor do I recommend it AT ALL!!!!

Do I believe there Are Prophets in The Body ... Sure Do ... but Ravenhill did a good job describing them and I believe what you said Krispy 100% .... if they say "I'm a Prophet" .... then I will not listen to them.

Nonetheless, if they're 501c3 statis and make a living off of it.

Won't go into who those are .... but, again, the promise of Jesus was to ALL of His Sheep, who KNOW HIS Voice and FOLLOW The LAMB and this is what HE promised us [b]"all"[/b] and "this" is FREEDOM from man, but not independent from HIS Body ...... JOHN 16:13 for [b]all[/b]......

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Search_Me Jul 25, 2007

i have not found hansen or the people talking about him saying he prophesied about y2k.am i missing something?

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ginnyrose Jul 25, 2007

I do not know the answer to your question...I goggled but could not find any prophecy concerning Y2K and Hansen....

It did, however, remind me of a prophecy made back in the 60's, I think. Some self-proclaimed prophet declared that California will fall off into the ocean. He explained it this way: The area known as California, is a shelf suspended over water. Now all you need is a good earthquake which will cause the area to break off and tumble into the ocean and that it would happen real soon. When I looked at CNN a few minutes ago it did not say anything about it and 40 years have pased since then, but what it did say is about a fire in Dallas...

ginnyrose

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crsschk said

The one large looming question is always this; Do these things sound like God Himself? The inflection of His voice from what He has already spoken (written), His attributes and character ... Do we know the difference?

And yet few on this board question any such prophecies made by the likes of Ravenhill or Wilkerson. They proclaimed the same kind of "prophecying" against America... what makes this guy any worse?

I mean, other than his gaudy website?

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I refer you to Grannie and Google...

"Yo, Double 'G', we need some info on (insert controversial subject here)!"

Hehe.

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MSeaman said

so true...Real prophets are despised, not esteemed of men...at least they were in the Bible.

You mean the prophets didn't drive around in Limos or live in mansions?

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