Is God the Father of All the Little Children? What Do You Believe?

If you are speaking of infants, then I believe that though they are under the effects of original sin, they have not committed any actual sin, and if they perish, are elected to salvation. This is based upon God's mercy and grace, and since I do not believe in baptismal regeneration, this makes more sense.

Now once one commits any act of actual sin, they are verifying their allegiance to their "father" Satan, as well as showing the state of their natural heart. Only by the new birth, does one become a child of God.

Look at John 8:31-42. Jesus speaks to the Jews and seems to indicate that some are children of the devil. Despite being created by God, they still may not be his children. the question is when did they become children of the devil. Being born that way is how some would answer. Some might say it is when they finally reject Christ.

Good question Abraham. Well the answer is very simple. When one is born God's Blood covers the child even though he/she still has the tendency to commit sin, wich eventually will show forth itself. After some years pass the child's consciousness is awaken and sudenly he/she knows how to differentiate between Good and Evil. Then he/she makes the choice and after that he/she becomes the Devil's child. They are under the bondage of sin until the Redemer comes and brakes that chain when the person repents of their sins and start to live Holy lives that Glorify God. In that momment the person stops belonging to Satan and now is an adopted child of God allmighty.

If you are speaking of infants, then I believe that though they are under the effects of original sin, they have not committed any actual sin, and if they perish, are elected to salvation.

This is the crux of the matter because to teach original sin in its completeness is to teach that we all sinned in Adam in the Garden. To be born with original sin is not to be born with just a disposition but to be born guilty of sin.

I look at it this way. Say someone's father died oweing a tremendous debt. This debt is then legally past to the children. If they can't pay, then their children, their children's children, and so on until someone or collectively they are able to pay the debt.

Until the debt is paid all descendants of the father are under obligation to pay the debt. Though they may be many generations removed, and not even posses the knowledge of this debt, never-the-less they carry their father's guilt as their own.

This is TOTAL depravity. Our guilt is such that not only did a man sin in the Garden, but Mankind sinned.

Hypothetically if Jesus were never to come, and there was no redeemer on a cross bearing this guilt before the Father, God's justice would demand that even infants born and dieing in infancy pay Adam's price. Admittedly this scenerio badly breaks down because if there were no mercy offered, Adam and Eve would have been consumed in Eden and would never have produced offspring.

Now, because of the cross, what happens to infants? I honestly don't know. My opinion is that they are taken to Heaven and are somehow covered by the blood of Jesus. What I DO KNOW for sure is that the Judge of all the earth will do what is right. With that I am content.

Blessings,
Jeremy Hulsey

Brother Abraham. I see that you want to see a verse in wich the Bible tells us what happens to children and who do they belong to. You mentioned the case of a 3 year old.

First we must know the deference between a child of God and a child of the Devil.

Who does the Bible say belong to the Devil?
1 jhon 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the Devil.....". Good, we know who belongs to the Devil.

Who does the Bible teach belong to God?
1 Jhon 3:24 "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him". Eccelent, we also know that if we keep his commandements we belong to God.

Now, in order for us to "Dwell" in God we must first Know his commandements so that then we may keep them. Right?
Well, if that is right then how could God charge of sin and desobidence to his commandements to a child that does not have a conscience to Know what Good and Evil are?(including what his commandements are?). If the child does not know what sin is and dies without that Knowledge then he is still Pure in the way God intended him to be at that age. Once the child Knows what Good and Bad is then that's when he/she is charged with sin if he chose sin rather than God. Hope this helped brother. :lol:

What about, 'for all have sinned'? Even though this is a tough subject, on which everyone wants an answer, where do we find actual verses?

Where is the line drawn between inference and supposition?

Definitely not trying to be hard about this, it's a personal subject for me as well, I had a brother who was born prematurely and didn't make it.

I do find solid ground on the fact that The Judge of all the earth shall do right. However the means, I personally believe (though I cannot back it up in The Word) God would bestow mercy on little children.

Where does the bibles teach that a child does not have a conscience to Know what Good and Evil are?

Does the Bible specify if children can deferinciate between good and evil? No.

But the answer is logical because children are born without a knoladge of the outside world. All he cares is about his mother's milk. Later on all he cares is about playing with his toys. Then he begins to notice that perents start to tell him that he can not do sertain things because they are wrong. He may desobey his parents for a wile, but the day comes when he does it knowing that he is doing wrong. The day when his concience begins to tell him that he did wrong is the day he beggan to sin. After he does that for a wile over and over again his concience voice begins to soften, until he has done it so many times that his concience is completly dead. It takes conviction from the Holly Spirit to revive it again unto Salvation. Hope this cleard somthing. :lol:

Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

How would you know what is right?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

If sin is not imputed until the law shows what sin is, when is sin revealed? When a person knows to do right, and does not do it, to know it is right they must have a knowledge of the law. Then when they choose not to do it, then it is sin and they are under condemnation and in need of a Savior. Christ died for the sin of the world. So until a person knowingly chooses not to do what is right, they are not under sin or condemnation. This would be different for each child. This is also up to God's mercy and Grace, mercy in the old testament and Grace in the New Testament by Faith of Jesus Christ.

Still a mystery? Until the mystery is revealed in each person for all have sinned, even little children will sin, when they know what is right and don't do it, it is sin. The mystery will save them. Colossians 1:25-28 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Little children making a decision to not do what is right to those that are deep in sin then must come to the mystery revealed in them by the Holy Spirit, That is "Christ in you the hope of Glory."

In Christ: Phillip

Amen. Good responce Christinyou.

How do you distinguish between 'original sin' and the apparent meaning of your statement - that babies are 'born guilty'?

It's not the guilt of an individual sin, rather but the guilt of humanity. Adam's sin was twofold the way I see it. His sin was not only personal, but also representative.

[edit] I like how Bill Randles puts it. He said it's like when I decided to migrate to America. It happened when my ancestors came here. Personally I had no choice in the matter, but when they came, so did I. Likewise, Adam, our representative/proxy in the Garden, when he ate the forbidden fruit, so did we. But when the second Adam died on the cross and rose from the dead, so did we if we have faith in Him. :-)