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sermonindex Aug 12, 2007

We didn't go to church today, I haven't had a urge to go for sometime, not because I dislike the"church" building. I even haven't had a desire to go sunday school class. I have been trying to study on my own and with a mens bible study I started to replace what I feel I have been missing. But it still is not having the effect that pulpit preaching has. I stopped the mens bible study, they keep encouraging me to start it up again, but I just can't seem to have the desire to do so. I think some understand me because I have such a passion for true doctrine and wanting to have a deeper revelation of Jesus Christ; to have the Cross preached!!Because of this i haven't had much interest in going. There is alot to say about strong biblical teaching, having the annoiting as it is preached. I think what i am going through was self denial. listen to this clip from John Macarthur somes it for me on why I feel the way I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DJSx5QK1R8

Can anyone relate, do you think I am being to serious about expecting to much. I would like to share my church website for anyone who would like to listen to some of the media sermons for their advice. But I only will PM the site to those seriously interested, not just to find fault.

Thanks and blessing to all,
Reformer

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sojourner7 Aug 12, 2007

If you could find a man of God with a hunger
for the gospel truth, who had a heart burdened
with love for the flock he shepherds, who
preached with conviction of the cross; would
you return to "Church?" ;-)

sermonindex Aug 12, 2007

Yes I would, but I haven't left church. I don't plan onto at this point. I don't believe in forsaking the assembly. I do believe in the church body and infrastructure. I do plan on looking and praying for another church. we have been at this church for about 4 years now, it won't be easy to leave and won't leave presumptiously until I hear from the Lord.

thanks

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sojourner7 Aug 12, 2007

Just wanted to share something from the heart
of Francis Schaeffer:
"The call of the gospel is still compelling.
His grace is irresistable, His love is
undeniable, His promises are timeless and true.
If the Church has lost its relevance for today;
it is because it has forgotten its place and
purpose--it serves as the Body of Christ!!"

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InTheLight Aug 12, 2007

There is alot to say about strong biblical teaching, having the annoiting as it is preached. I think what i am going through was self denial.

To be honest, it doesn't sound much like self denial at all. I have struggled through similar issues of late. You might want to ask yourself what is the purpose for going to church, is it only so that you can be fed or is it also to worship God among the brethren and serve the Body with the gifts God has given you through the Holy Spirit. If you have such a deep passion for doctrine and a greater revelation of Christ then surely you know that to be Christ-like is to live your life unto God and poured out for others, whomever God might put in your path today.

Don't get me wrong, I share your hunger for Holy Ghost anointed preaching and the word of the Cross but the truth is that we have both probably heard enough great preaching and read enough great books to spur a man on "toward the mark" for several lifetimes. I am greatly challenged daily to live in the reality of what God has worked in me, whereever God places me, bearing the burdens of the brethren on my shoulders, loving them from the heart, in a church building setting and outside of it as well.

In Christ,

Ron

sermonindex Aug 12, 2007

You might want to ask yourself what is the purpose for going to church, is it only so that you can be fed or is it also to worship God among the brethren and serve the Body with the gifts God has given you through the Holy Spirit. If you have such a deep passion for doctrine and a greater revelation of Christ then surely you know that to be Christ-like is to live your life unto God and poured out for others, whomever God might put in your path today

Yes don't get me wrong, i am not asking for me to spiritual fat and lazy. A part of church is serving, worship God, and being taught. but, we do also need to get feed and equipped. I don't want 20-30 minute sermons. I just don't feel like I am getting feed from the puplit. I appreciate your advice and your 100% correct. I think this could be something the Lord is trying to teach me.

thanks
Reformer

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freedbyjc Aug 14, 2007

Not being fed...What are you hungry for?

FROM A BLOGGER AT THE WCA LEADERSHIP SUMMIT LAST WEEK...


At the Willow Creek Leadership Summit, Bill Hybels introduced a new book called "Reveal." It is the results of a 3-year survey they conducted at Willow, plus the results from six additional churches surveyed over the past eight months.

I was able to get an early copy and devoured it yesterday. It is an easy read...and it's some amazing stuff that will shake your world if you are in the "business" of local church ministry.

As I read it, I found myself saying, "Yes, yes, yes!" It seems so right, yet I've never seen it written about by a respected practitioner (rather than a theorist).

Some notable quotes...

[b]•\t“[This] is causing me to see clearly that the church and its myriad of programs have taken on too much of the responsibility for people’s spiritual growth.”

•\t“We discovered that higher levels of church activity did not predict increasing love for God or increasing love for other people.”

•\t“Church activity alone made no direct impact on growing the heart…it was a flat line, and a stunning discovery for us.”

•\t[i]“God wired us first and foremost to be in a growing relationship with him—not with the church.” [/i] DuH!

•\t“The church is most important in the early stages of spiritual growth. Its role then shifts from being the primary influence to a secondary influence.”

•\t“The church is extremely important in the early stages of [spiritual development], but its main activities—like weekend services and small groups—decline in importance as people [grow closer to Christ]. The church becomes [i]less of a place to go for spiritual development and to find spiritual relationships,[/i] and more of a platform that [u]provides serving opportunities[/u].”

•\tThose who were dissatisfied: “At the heart of their unhappiness may be the fact that [they did not] realize that much of the responsibility for their spiritual growth [u]belongs to them.[/u] This is the big ‘aha’.”

•\t“Our analysis paints the picture of the church being too preoccupied with the early growing years, leaving the spiritual adolescents to find their own way—without preparing them for the journey.”

•\t“In many cases, we have created an unhealthy dependence and inappropriate levels of expectation among those who call Willow home.”

•\t [u]“We have to let people know early on in their journey that they need to look beyond the church to grow…Our people need to learn to feed themselves through personal spiritual practices that allow them to deepen their relationship with Christ[/u].”[/b]

An 'amazing fact' that had been slapping most of us in the face for years.

sermonindex Aug 14, 2007

Brother, judging by the last couple of threads you started I suggest you get away for a few days... somewhere with no TV or radio... no outside distractions... just you and the Bible... and get on your knees and seek the Lords face.

I've been right where you're at, and I'll probably be there again. You need a personal revival.

I just need revival in my soul
Won't You please come and take control
Send Your Spirit to my heart
And give my life a brand new start

Krispy

sermonindex Aug 14, 2007

• “We have to let people know early on in their journey that they need to look beyond the church to grow…Our people need to learn to feed themselves through personal spiritual practices that allow them to deepen their relationship with Christ.”

Eph 4:11-16
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ- 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

• Those who were dissatisfied: “At the heart of their unhappiness may be the fact that [they did not] realize that much of the responsibility for their spiritual growth belongs to them. This is the big ‘aha’.”

• “[This] is causing me to see clearly that the church and its myriad of programs have taken on too much of the responsibility for people’s spiritual growth.”

Acts 8:30-31
30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" 31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.

Acts 18:24-26
24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

It is not up to the church to teach us everythng of doctrine. we need our own devotion and study. But God has gifted men to teach and to feed us.

• “We discovered that higher levels of church activity did not predict increasing love for God or increasing love for other people.”

Mark 12:30-31
30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these."

One of many reasons on why we love other people is because we have biblical teachimg that exhorts, admonishes, and convicts with truth and power. His church is built on serving, and we can't be busy bodies. They create such an animal that they need tons of people to serve, there is no time to teach and preach the word. Everyone is "working". This is one of the big problems of mega churches and seeker friendly churches. They are about entertaining. My church is boarderline on a seeker-friendly.

2 Tim. 4:2-5
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

If we would preach the Gods Word with all His power and annoiting what would happen? John Macarthur proposed a question:[i]WHat if the church got rid of music completey, who would attend?[/i] Don't ge me wrong I love music for worship. His point was that there is not sound biblical teaching coming from many pulpits, instead they are filling it with music and other types of entertainment. We have watered down the word of God, thinking somehow it needs our help. It will surpass us and be constint for everlasting.

because of Him

sermonindex Aug 14, 2007


KrispyKrittr wrote:
Brother, judging by the last couple of threads you started I suggest you get away for a few days... somewhere with no TV or radio... no outside distractions... just you and the Bible... and get on your knees and seek the Lords face.

I've been right where you're at, and I'll probably be there again. You need a personal revival.

I just need revival in my soul
Won't You please come and take control
Send Your Spirit to my heart
And give my life a brand new start

Krispy

What are you talking about??? Are you talking to me? :-?

mike

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LoveHim Aug 14, 2007

by KrispyKrittr on 2007/8/14 8:04:52

Brother, judging by the last couple of threads you started I suggest you get away for a few days... somewhere with no TV or radio... no outside distractions... just you and the Bible... and get on your knees and seek the Lords face.

I've been right where you're at, and I'll probably be there again. You need a personal revival.

I just need revival in my soul
Won't You please come and take control
Send Your Spirit to my heart
And give my life a brand new start

Krispy

that is probably a good idea for a lot of us, me included..

sermonindex Aug 14, 2007

What are you talking about??? Are you talking to me?

Nope... apparently not. It is for him who has ears to hear. I was trying to encourage whoever this is for, if it isnt for you.

Krispy

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rowdy2 Aug 14, 2007

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I was warm in a church made hands and then cold, I felt cold and confused, I changed churches and got warm then cold, Left church got hot and stayed hot until I thought it was a sign for me to return to church and so I did. I remained warm for a while then I became confused. I left and pray to God that His Holy Spirit will become as real to me as before I returned the last time because being less than hot scares me to death.

Eddie

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