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Mother Of Harlots

sermonindex Aug 16, 2007

Hello, I ask you read my whole post before responding to this please.

I keep hearing this preaching, and decided to single this out. I do not pretend to know everything, but it is getting under my skin of this wave of teaching condemning all Church congregations in buildings referring it to as the mother of harlots. Taken from Revelations Ch 17


Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Let me just point out the last verse of 17 says speaking of the woman who is this harlot, "great city"

Also Here:
Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Once again great city.

I believe this speaks of a great nation such as (Babylon) being destroyed because that is what these scriptures actually say.


I can’t even understand any reasons for interpretation saying denominational churches, or churches that meet in buildings. Is the Great Harlot.

I will not post on this anymore allowing anyone else to have their chance to speak on this. But I want to voice my heart in this issue.


He is my personal prayerful thoughts on the matter.
Calling Churches where indeed true believers meet the Mother Of Harlots? Is this truly a proper interpretation of scripture? I would be more prone to believe that an immoral nation such as the one I live fits more deserving of this title.

Why does this subject mean so very much to me?

Because of the immorality that has over-run many of the churches. Many say it’s the Mother Of Harlots and to come up out of her. But on whose authority? Is it God's or just ones poor interpretation of what they think God is telling them through scripture? Is it a divine message? In the book of Jeremiah, it speaks of prophets that prophecy good things while Jeremiah, sent by God's divine authority brought the real word that destruction was truly coming.

I believe all the children of God will be judged first before his judgment come on the earth. Not just judgment on people who meet in church buildings. But all who are his.

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.


Blessed be his Judgment that will purify the whole of the Church that begins in his house. Not just those who meet in church buildings, but all his house.

(my thoughts)
To call any church The Mother Of Harlots I feel is on the road of accusing everyone inside of the Church to be this harlot. I truly believe it is also on a road of straying from the word, bashing and abandoning those in church congregations which our God loves. They are God's Children. The Lord Loves His Church. Many in them are His people. Our God knows the hearts of man, we do not.

The wheat will be separated from the chaff. But this is our God's duty not ours.
It is our duty to Love and serve anyone, everyone, everywhere and the church.

Your thoughts please.

sermonindex Aug 16, 2007

Here's an example of a Harlot Church:
[url=http://sptimes.com/2006/07/17/Tampabay/Strip_club_king_goes_.shtml]Harlot Church[/url]

sermonindex Aug 16, 2007


sscott wrote:
Here's an example of a Harlot Church:
[url=http://sptimes.com/2006/07/17/Tampabay/Strip_club_king_goes_.shtml]Harlot Church[/url]

I don't know what to say!! That was appauling!! There is nothing to say, wait, i changed my mind...what do you expect from a false teacher!!

Thanks for finding this, i will post this on my blog.

sermonindex Aug 16, 2007

ce4 said

Once again great city.

I believe this speaks of a great nation such as (Babylon) being destroyed because that is what these scriptures actually say.

ce4, please remember that Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, linked idolatrous religion and state together. He commanded all people in his realm to bow to a golden idol 60 cubits high by 6 cubits wide (two of three sixes). This is how religion fornicates with kings.

What governments today have close ties to religion? The Islamic nations, sure. But anyone else that maybe call themselves Christian?

Also, if Babylon is a nation (or conglomeration of nations) that exists right now, who do you reckon it is? What nation buys from all the nations in the world? What nation, if it was nuked to the moon, would cause all the merchants to howl and wail because they have no one to sell to?

Calling Churches where indeed true believers meet the Mother Of Harlots? Is this truly a proper interpretation of scripture? I would be more prone to believe that an immoral nation such as the one I live fits more deserving of this title.

I suppose this depends on whether or not we believe in One Body of believers that transcends time and space who have Christ as our Head, or multiple organizations, each claiming to be the true church with the truest interpretation and highest inspiration...

If we believe the fractured organizations claiming to be the Body of Christ are the true church, then we are saying the Holy Ghost is splintered and the Body of Christ is broken and cannot agree.

If the hand of Christ doesn't lift what the Head tells it to... or the feet of Christ don't walk where He tells them to go... or worse yet, one foot decides to go left while the other decides to go right...

It's blasphemous to say the Body of Christ is divided into hundreds of sects and denominations that can't agree on which way to go, much less one hand refusing to wash a foot, etc.

The Church stands. Christ's Body is whole, perfectly balanced, and does what Christ tells His members to do. We may be spread thin across he world but we recognize the limbs and organs of our body. The hand recognizes the foot and washes it; the eyes watch for serpents; the ears listen for the Shepherd's Voice; the mouth tells the feet the way to go.

No membership card required.

U
UniqueWebRev Aug 16, 2007

In reality, many religious organizations of all belief systems have already sold themselves for a few quick bucks.

Babylon is as much a concept and a system as a place...and a lot of us live in her, or under her control.


Blessings,

Forrest

sermonindex Aug 16, 2007

No membership card required.


moe_mac wrote:

ref: www.Biblegateway.com

[color=FF6600]only one that is willing to take up his cross and follow HIM. Matt 10:38[/color]

[color=0000CC]only one that is willing to enter the strait gate. Luke 13:24[/color]

[color=009900]only one who builds his house on the ROCK Matt 16:38 [/color]

[color=000000]only those who have received the Holy Spirit. Act 2:34[/color]

[color=330099]those that are not lukewarm. Rev 3:14[/color]

[color=993300]Only those who have made HIM LORD and KING in their heart. Rom 10:9[/color]

[color=FF9933]Only those HE knows and that HE has given a new name Rev 13:27[/color]
:-D

L
LoveHim Aug 16, 2007

No membership card required.
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only one that is willing to take up his cross and follow HIM. Matt 10:38

only one that is willing to enter the strait gate. Luke 13:24

only one who builds his house on the ROCK Matt 16:38

only those who have received the Holy Spirit. Act 2:34

those that are not lukewarm. Rev 3:14

Only those who have made HIM LORD and KING in their heart. Rom 10:9

Only those HE knows and that HE has given a new name Rev 13:27

the only membership that i understand from scritures is whether one has been born again or not. if one has Christ living in him, then he is a member in the true church of God. the church of God is a spiritual house made up of living stones and it is not a physical place (buildings, homes, parks, etc) or a physical location (this city or that city). it is a spiritual temple made by God.

the only membership: the Holy Spirit dwelling in you.

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