Conditioning Masses to Take the Mark of the Beast

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FreebyWord Aug 20, 2007

I've been following news the past 18 months of the federal gov't requiring all owners of farm animals, even owners not classified as farmers, but have of a few farm animals as pets, to submit to having their animals chipped. I agree with the Amish. See article below.

This chipping of animals is no more than conditioning the masses to take the mark of the beast.

Don't miss the not-so-subtle message here. Though the Amish claim a religious right to abstain from chipping their animals and backing up their belief saying they will quit farming, even leave the state, the gov't says the animals will carry the chip or not be sold. It's a page right out the Word of God.

~~[b]~~[size=small]'Mark of the Beast' drives away Amish [/size][/b]
Sunday, August 19, 2007By Pat ShellenbargerThe Grand Rapids Press

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name."

New International Version,
Revelation 13:16-17

BLANCHARD -- Glen Mast doesn't own a computer, doesn't want one, but he and other Amish farmers complain the state Department of Agriculture is insisting they tag their cattle with electronic chips in violation of their religious beliefs.

State agriculture officials say the radio frequency chips are necessary to track animal diseases and protect public health. Mast and other Amish farmers say the chips' 15-digit number is the Mark of the Beast warned of in the Bible's book of Revelation.

"We're a people who are inclined to mind our own business," Mast said, sitting in the wood shop he operates without electricity on his Isabella County farm. His small herd of dairy cows lounged in the shade of the barn. Across the road, one of his sons raked hay with a team of horses. "We're never happier than when we're just left alone," Mast said. "That's all we're asking."

All over Michigan, Amish farmers are resisting the state program requiring that all cattle be tagged with the electronic chips before they can be sold. Some say they will quit farming if it comes to it. Some say they will leave the state.

"They keep saying that, and that's their choice," said Kevin Kirk, who coordinates the program for the state agriculture department. "Our No. 1 goal is animal health, human health and food safety. ~~[b][u]~~I know it's hard sometimes to trust the government, but that's what we're asking is trust us."[/b][/u]

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mom23beagles Aug 20, 2007

Hmmmmmm. I don't have a problem with microchipping cattle, my goodness, all of my beagles are microchipped, for their own safety. If they get lost and somehow lose their collars and tags, the microchip is there to identify them and where they belong (with me). :)

I think you're taking that verse from the Word out of context. I believe it is meant for humans. The technology to microchip humans has been around for the last decade. Nothing new. I do, however, agree with you, that that is the method by which the Anti-Christ will identify the Christians.

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I think we've conditioned Christianity to believe that this microchip is THEE mark of the beast. If it's the mark of the beast, then why does it have to take wisdom to decipher it? Too many loose ends.

Has anyone ever seen a cow or pig go out and buy and sell?

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Compliments wrote:
I think we've conditioned Christianity to believe that this microchip is THE mark of the beast. If it's the mark of the beast, then why does it have to take wisdom to decipher it? Too many loose ends.

I don't believe that the microchip as such is "it". As you say, there are too many loose ends. It seems more likely that microchip, and other technology developed or in the process of being developed, is setting us up for the days of the world-wide dictatorship and resulting persecution that are soon coming.

I think that microchip technology could well become the "mark", in the sense that it provides a means of control and compulsion in the worshipping of the false Christ.

And it will be already so familiar and accepted by most, that this control will come upon us unawares.

But the real "mark of the beast" has to involve actual worship of a false god, not having a microchip implanted, as such. The microchip in that case could be the symbol of it.

I don't believe it will be obvious what exactly this "mark" involves until its actually upon us. That's why it needs wisdom to undestand.

666" is said in Revelation to be either the "number of A man" or the "number of MAN" (there's no indefinite article in Greek). It represents the merely human, independent of God.

But it does make sense that it will also most likely be the number of a specific individual man - who represents in his person the whole of man's rebellion against God down the millennia. "whose working is after the working of Satan, with lying signs and wonders." (quote from memory)

The ancient Roman cult of emperor worship was a kind of "prototype" version of what the "mark of the beast" is likely to involve. Just offer some incense and say "Caesar is Lord" and you can do what you like. But Christians said, "No, ~~[i]~~JESUS[/i] is Lord!" And so many perished, but their testimonies burned brighter than their bodies in the fires of persecution.

This is the seed of true revival!

In Him

Jeannette

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LittleGift wrote:
666" is said in Revelation to be either the "number of A man" or the "number of MAN" (there's no indefinite article in Greek). It represents the merely human, independent of God.

Is the real danger for us therefore, the danger of the "internal" mark of the beast? Anything of "self", the spirit of "I did it MY way", remaining in our hearts, to which we cling?

If there is nothing in us that responds to this "mark" we will be able to stand in the storm. If not we won't.

Who or what are we leaning on? I find this a huge challenge personally.

The wise man built his house upon the Rock.

Blessings

Jeannette

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LittleGift wrote:
666" is said in Revelation to be either the "number of A man" or the "number of MAN" (there's no indefinite article in Greek). It represents the merely human, independent of God.

Is the real danger for us therefore, the danger of the "internal" mark of the beast? Anything of "self", the spirit of "I did it MY way", remaining in our hearts, to which we cling?

If there is nothing in us that responds to this "mark" we will be able to stand in the storm. If not we won't.

Who or what are we leaning on? I find this a huge challenge personally.

The wise man built his house upon the Rock.

Blessings

Jeannette
[color=6600CC]Our Blessed Hope says, He is the vine, and we are the branches, no worries. Fear not!!!!He said the antichrist would be so slick he could deceive the elect if it were possible. Translated, from the KJV, which is mine and Krispy and many others favorite translation, if we are in Christ, it is impossible for the antichrist to deceive us. How exactly that plays out come many different opinions and theories. But regardless of the opinions and theories, we branches all have the same hope and the same answer (JESUS). Be in the vine and make sure we are a a true branch and in the vine and we will all be safe from deception of the antichrist. [/color]

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Thanks Jeanette for both your posts, very good reading and thoughts.

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Is the real danger for us therefore, the danger of the "internal" mark of the beast? Anything of "self", the spirit of "I did it MY way", remaining in our hearts, to which we cling?

If there is nothing in us that responds to this "mark" we will be able to stand in the storm. If not we won't.

This sounds like a *conditional* salvation to me. If we are IN CHRIST and the scriptures state we are Perfect in Christ Jesus then we are a 7, which means:

Justification by Christ Alone 7
Sanctification by Christ Alone 7
Glorification by Christ Alone 7

Jesus paid it all...all to Him I owe, sin had left a crimson stain, he washed it white as snow.

Therefore those who have washed their robes in the Blood of the Lamb, those who have been planted together inteh likeness of His death will also be in the likeness of His resurrection, the NEW CREATURE in the NEW Creation are 7's...those who have entered into HIS rest are a 7. All else are 6's, man still in his unregenerate state, still attached to the things of this world, who mind earthly things Phil 3...these are the enemies of the CROSS, and these will worship the beast. Those who worship the beast are those who's names are NOT in the LAMBS book of LIFE. That book of LIFE is eternal life of which those who are Born Again have eternal life.

Those who have been crucified with Christ **HAVE** crucified the flesh....Galatians 5*** and are now being changed from Glory to Glory, even by the Spirit of the Lord 2nd Corinthians 3.

At the judgement seat of Christ, we will be rewarded. There is Gold, silver and precious stone, or wood hay and stubble....the wood hay and stubble is most lkely those things we say and do (OUR WAY) and Not God's way. We don't lose our salvation or have we ever received any mark of the beast in doing so. I do believe we will all have a little hay wood hay and stubble that will burn up.

Those who have the Mark of the Beast have clearly rejected Jesus Christ and salvation through His Blood, death and resurrection life alone in Christ Jesus.

Love in Christ Jesus
Katy-did

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LittleGift said

It represents the merely human, independent of God.

Amen.

moe_mac said

Is the real danger for us therefore, the danger of the "internal" mark of the beast? Anything of "self", the spirit of "I did it MY way", remaining in our hearts, to which we cling?
If there is nothing in us that responds to this "mark" we will be able to stand in the storm. If not we won't.
Who or what are we leaning on? I find this a huge challenge personally.
The wise man built his house upon the Rock.

I began reading Ezekiel recently and came upon this, which, in the light of previous discussions on 'the mark of the beast', made me pause for thought.

The beginning of the chapter and the chapters before are important context, but, I was arrested to understand how God judged us.

Ezekiel 9
And He called to the man clothed with linen, who ~~[i]~~had[/i] the writer's inkhorn at his side;
4 and the LORD said to him, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and ~~[i]~~put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it[/i]."
5 To the others He said in my hearing, "Go after him through the city and kill; do not let your eye spare, nor have any pity.
6 "Utterly slay old ~~[i]~~and[/i] young men, maidens and little children and women; but do not come near anyone on whom ~~[i]~~is[/i] the mark; and begin at My sanctuary." So they began with the elders who ~~[i]~~were[/i] before the temple.

How does God 'mark' us?

Is this what Paul meant when he said in Galatians 6:17?
'... for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.'

Or Peter in 1:4:1 and 2 ...?
Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that he no longer should live the rest of ~~[i]~~his[/i] time in the flesh for the lusts of men, ~~[u]~~but for the will of God[/u].

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rowdy2 Aug 23, 2007

The mark of the beast as I understand it is worldliness, indicating they don’t mind spiritual matters and live in a spiritual desert, a desolate God forsaken spiritual desert.
Eddie

Instances of worldliness

Heb.12:16. Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.)

Judah,
(Gen.37:26-27.
26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?
27 Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content.)

-Israelites,
(Num.11:33-34
33 And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague.
34 And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted.

Ps.78:18 And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.

Ps.78:29-31.
29 So they did eat, and were well filled: for he gave them their own desire;
30 They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths,
31 The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.)

Balaam,
(2Pet.2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Jd.11, Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.)
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-Eli's sons,
(1Sam.2:12-17.
12 Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the Lord.
13 And the priests' custom with the people was, that, when any man offered sacrifice, the priest's servant came, while the flesh was in seething, with a fleshhook of three teeth in his hand;
14 And he struck it into the pan, or kettle, or caldron, or pot; all that the fleshhook brought up the priest took for himself. So they did in Shiloh unto all the Israelites that came thither.
15 Also before they burnt the fat, the priest's servant came, and said to the man that sacrificed, Give flesh to roast for the priest; for he will not have sodden flesh of thee, but raw.
16 And if any man said unto him, Let them not fail to burn the fat presently, and then take as much as thy soul desireth; then he would answer him, Nay; but thou shalt give it me now: and if not, I will take it by force.
17 Wherefore the sin of the young men was very great before the Lord: for men abhorred the offering of the Lord.)

-Cretans,
(Tit.1:12. One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.)

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Moe said

[color=6600CC]Our Blessed Hope says, He is the vine, and we are the branches, no worries. Fear not!!!!He said the antichrist would be so slick he could deceive the elect if it were possible. Translated, from the KJV, which is mine and Krispy and many others favorite translation, if we are in Christ, it is impossible for the antichrist to deceive us. How exactly that plays out come many different opinions and theories. But regardless of the opinions and theories, we branches all have the same hope and the same answer (JESUS). Be in the vine and make sure we are a a true branch and in the vine and we will all be safe from deception of the antichrist. [/color]

Brother Gary, the whole point is that it ~~[i]~~IS[/i] possible for "the elect" to be deceived! In the original Greek the word means "if able". Meaning that, if we are ~~[i]~~ABLE[/i] to be deceived, we ~~[i]~~WILL[/i] be!

In English the translated phrase is misleading because these days "If possible" means that it ~~[u]~~isn't[/u] possible; which isn't the sense of the original. However good the KJV is (I was brought up on it and it is the version in my heart and memory more than any other) it can be misleading at times.

That is why we have to stick close to the Lord and trust HIm and not our own understanding.

It is that very misunderstanding of the meaning that makes us open ot deception, because we think we can't be deceived. That is why I give this warning.

But if we know the ~~[i]~~possibility[/i] of deception is there than we can check everything out with the Lord and so avoid the danger.

There is no fear in love, but we need to have our eyes open and be aware.

Proverbs 1:17
~~[i]~~[color=000099]Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.[/color][/i]

Blessings

Jeannette

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FreebyWord Aug 23, 2007

I did not write that the chipping of Amish cows is THE mark of the beast. I posted this article regarding the Amish for one reason--to alert those who will see and hear--~~[b]~~we are being conditioned[/b] to receive the mark.

As Jeannette posted in response:

And it will be already so familiar and accepted by most, that this control will come upon us unawares.

QUESTION: How does satan strive to deceive the very elect? ANSWER: Very subtly

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rowdy2 wrote:
The mark of the beast as I understand it is worldliness, indicating they don’t mind spiritual matters and live in a spiritual desert, a desolate God forsaken spiritual desert.
Eddie

Hi Bro Eddie

I believe you are right, but that's still not the whole of it. There's a danger that we will think because we've avoided all known sin and worldliness that therefore we are safe.

That isn't necessarily so.

Recently the parts of Ezekiel 40-48, concerning the priestly line of Zadok, was laid on my heart.

There is a spiritual principle here: Some of God's people become unfaithful. Some are faithful up to a point. A few follow the Lord fully.

There were 70 elders under Moses, upon whom the Holy Spirit came. They had spiritual gifts. We might consider they were what we call born again.

Yet none of them made it to the Promised Land.

There were ten virgins in Jesus' parable. they were ~~[i]~~virgins[/i], free from any known impurity. But only five made it to the Feast.

There were two leading priests in David's time, Zadok and Ahimelech. Both of them resisted the rebellion of Absolom, but only one, Zadok, would have nothing to do with the rebellion of Adonijah. Ahimelech and many of God's people with him, joined the rebellion. Even though they knew that God had chosen Solomon to be king.

1Kings 1 ~~[i]~~[color=000099]] 5 Then Adonijah the son of Haggith exalted himself, saying, I will be king: and he prepared him chariots and horsemen, and fifty men to run before him.
6 And his father had not displeased him at any time in saying, Why hast thou done so? and he also was a very goodly man; and his mother bare him after Absalom.
7 And he conferred with Joab the son of Zeruiah, and with ~~[b][u]~~Abiathar the priest[/u][/b]: and they following Adonijah helped him.
8 But ~~[b][u]~~Zadok the priest[/u][/b], and Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, and Nathan the prophet, and Shimei, and Rei, and the mighty men which belonged to David, were not with Adonijah.
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In Ezekiel it is called "going astray after their idols". Even though there is no mention of Abiathar or any of his descendants committing any obvious idolatry at the time, the following of another king instead of the one God had chosen, was counted as worshipping idols.

The descendants of Abiather were not allowed (in Ezekiel's vision) to serve God in the most holy things, because of that rebellion.

They could still serve as priests, still, presumably preach and pray. They could "stand before the people", they could sacrifice. But they could not come into the most Holy place.

Ezekiel 44:10
~~[i]~~[color=000099]10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.
11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.
12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity.
13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.
14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.
15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge[/color][/i]

in Him

Jeannette

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Katy-did wrote:
Is the real danger for us therefore, the danger of the "internal" mark of the beast? Anything of "self", the spirit of "I did it MY way", remaining in our hearts, to which we cling?
...If there is nothing in us that responds to this "mark" we will be able to stand in the storm. If not we won't.
This sounds like a *conditional* salvation to me.

The salvation isn't conditional. The condition is ~~[i]~~receiving[/i] this salvation and letting go our idols in the heart.

Eze 14:4
~~[i]~~[color=000099] Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols...[/color]

Eze 14:7
[color=000099]For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:[/color][/i]

"What is not of faith is sin"

"When the Son of man cometh will he find faith on the earth?"

Blessings

Jeannette

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rowdy2 Aug 23, 2007

Reply to Janette
Greetings and may you be at peace
Janette wrote

"What is not of faith is sin"
"When the Son of man cometh will he find faith on the earth?"

Janette I agree and add that vision begins where natural sight ends. Faith that Jesus did not have to appear in fleshly form to heal the centurion’s servant showed great faith.
Eddie

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rowdy2 said,

The mark of the beast as I understand it is worldliness, indicating they don’t mind spiritual matters and live in a spiritual desert, a desolate God forsaken spiritual desert.

The scripture says no man may buy or sell without the mark. If your hypothesis is correct, only worldly people should buy and sell then. Do you buy and/or sell stuff?

Please read the scripture below and tell me how you interpret the "mark" is worldliness.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." (REV 13:16-18)

Katy-did said,

Those who have the Mark of the Beast have clearly rejected Jesus Christ and salvation through His Blood, death and resurrection life alone in Christ Jesus.

Katy, the scripture also explicitely states that no one can buy or sell without the mark. If your explanation is correct, (that only those who have rejected Christ did, have, and will recieve the mark) and the scripture is correct that only those who have the mark may buy and sell...

Then, if you buy and sell, are you truly saved?

moe_mac said,

Our Blessed Hope says, He is the vine, and we are the branches, no worries. Fear not!!!!He said the antichrist would be so slick he could deceive the elect if it were possible. Translated, from the KJV, which is mine and Krispy and many others favorite translation, if we are in Christ, it is impossible for the antichrist to deceive us. How exactly that plays out come many different opinions and theories. But regardless of the opinions and theories, we branches all have the same hope and the same answer (JESUS). Be in the vine and make sure we are a a true branch and in the vine and we will all be safe from deception of the antichrist.

You're right. We better be sure we're in Christ. Because the pseudo-elect "will" be deceived.

Jeanette said,

But the real "mark of the beast" has to involve actual worship of a false god, not having a microchip implanted, as such. The microchip in that case could be the symbol of it.

Jeanette, read Rev 13 again. The mark (number or name of a man or woman) gives one the ability to buy and sell. The image of the beast is a different thing altogether.

Compliments said,

I think we've conditioned Christianity to believe that this microchip is THEE mark of the beast. If it's the mark of the beast, then why does it have to take wisdom to decipher it? Too many loose ends.
Has anyone ever seen a cow or pig go out and buy and sell?

Compliments, behold all the interpretations and not-to-worries on this thread... that's why wisdom - and a little uncommon sense - is desperately needed.

Particularily when pastors and churchgoers reassuringly pat us worriers on the head and say something to the effect of, "go back to sleep... everything's all right... our governments would never do such a thing..."

mom23beagles said,

Hmmmmmm. I don't have a problem with microchipping cattle, my goodness, all of my beagles are microchipped, for their own safety. If they get lost and somehow lose their collars and tags, the microchip is there to identify them and where they belong (with me). :)

And how ironic it will be should the very company you supported and helped grow by buying these benign Digital Angel (formerly Destron Fearing) microchips win a contract to microchip every citizen in your country in the event of war, economic collapse, disease, or whatever.

What if your kids get lost? Better chip them, too.

~~[i]~~~~[b]~~"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."

Benjamin Franklin[/b][/i]

I'll be praying for you all.

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The salvation isn't conditional. The condition is receiving this salvation and letting go our idols in the heart

Jeannette, I guess that is the great deception to begin with....what exactly IS salvation, and can one lose it once one has it.

Our salvation is not dependent on WORKS, but Faith. Ist John said, He who believes that Jesus is the Christ, HAS overcome the world. SOOOOO the Overcomes are in question here, as the warnings in the 7 letters to the Churches. But those letters are to Churches, not individual Born Again Christians... Each one starts out ..To the Church OF....God gives his warnings. Each Church is/was struggling through something at their time of life here on earth. The Last Church may be to the Church of TODAY, to those professing Christianity, but not the Christianity of Scripture. Each letter also lets those know who are merely professors, and that Salvation manifests itself in the Truths Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, Jude, John (all in one accord) say salvation is...and all are in agreement..…“I am Crucified with Christ, no longer I but Christ in me“.

So the warning to the professing churches is about false doctrine getting in the Church, as we well know today it’s out of control. The GOLD, tried in the fire, IS the fellowship of His sufferings that come ONLY through our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life. Many people are suffering, but is it the TRUE fellowship of His sufferings?

Hindu believes in suffering, and actually suffer believing that is bringing them to Nirvana or what ever, but it’s not the same. The whole world suffers, and even those outside of Christ suffer and actually grow strong from it too, but it’s still not the same.

Satan can counterfeit ANYTHING, even suffering, and make you believe it's perfecting you.

So, what will separate all these lies from the Truth so you won’t be deceived? Well, that fellowship with Jesus Christ conforms us to His image(also can be counterfeited) passes on the knowledge of HIMSELF and the WISDOM we have in Him, and through the wisdom and knowledge of Jesus Christ we are KEPT from this great deception and counterfeit. ***1 Corinthians 2

As the saying goes, you really CAN”T know a counterfeit unless you hold, look ,touch and feel the REAL THING. You can’t have the real thing unless you have received the REAL salvation of Scripture. There must be 1001 different Gospels out there, and 1000 are based on an accursed gospel.

How do you know you have heard the TRUE Gospel?

There will be evidence of that WORD wrought in you. Having that WORD wrought in you is very painful…, called, "the fellowship of His sufferings", as we press on, no matter what the cost, as our conversation and life now are Heaven, our heart in Heaven, our life hidden with God in Christ Jesus IN HEAVENLY PLACES. Not the earth or the things of the earth or the world. Those who mind earthly/worldly things are the enemies of the Cross. Plain and simple. Phil 3

With that said, How many do you know preach this? But rather are they not preaching, peace prosperity, psychobabble , health ect. (EARTHLY PLACES) as well as trying to establish the Kingdom for Jesus. They tell you Jesus wants you to have this or that, that perfect job ,with that perfect house and all that perfect income to go with it...and if you give $2 to this God will give back $2000 kind of gospel we hear today.
It's called replacement/ dominion theology...taking the earthly blessings that were to Israel and saying these belong to the Church...IT DOES NOT!!! ...THIS IS DECEPTION!

So are these people REALLY saved? NOT according to Jesus, Paul, James, Peter, Jude, John etc. Not according to the WORD of God.

Is God warning those who have come short of salvation? YES in the last letter he is calling them to the True Gospel.

Is He warning the Saints in the other letters to get the leaven out of the churches before they lose their testimony? Sounds like it. And just look at those who let Jezebel in. WOW now that is a warning that they are hell bound.

But WE are more that conquerors says Paul, and the Conquerors **are** the overcomes.

Children know their sins are forgiven
Young men HAVE overcome the evil one
Fathers…..

You see, there is no guessing game here, if you are growing, you will overcome….and go on to be fathers of the faith encouraging others to stay the course and point the way. Jesus our SURITY ( Hebrews) has already made sure that He will COMPLETE what He started. He who has begun a good work in you will continue it until the day of Jesus Christ. That is a promise tried 7 times. God’s word is tried true and perfect.

Love in Christ
Katy-Did

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pastorfrin Aug 23, 2007

Brothers and Sisters,

All these post on so many different threads where brothers and sisters make the statement I won’t do that or I will do this and what does the Word say about such things? How do we avoid being deceived into taking the mark?

James 4:13-17
Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: [14] Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. [15] For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. [16] But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. [17] Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

1 Cor. 10:1-12
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. [5] But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. [6] Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. [7] Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. [8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. [9] Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. [10] Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. [11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. [12] Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Psalm 2:11
Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

2 Cor. 7:15
And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

Ephes. 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Philip. 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

1 Cor. 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Rev. 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Is this not how we avoid the mark?

In His Love
pastorfrin

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

Katy-did said,

Our salvation is not dependent on WORKS, but Faith.

Sorry Katy, but I've just about had it with this "salvation by faith alone" doctrine. I know Luther, Calvin, etc believed it, and the vast majority of the evangelicals preach it, but it's not scriptural.

Our salvation is dependant upon both faith and works. We can't just seperate the one from the other:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that ~~[i]~~doeth[/i] the will of my Father which is in heaven." (MATT 7:21)

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and ~~[i]~~doeth[/i] them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock." (MATT 7:24)

"~~[i]~~And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?[/i] Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and ~~[i]~~doeth[/i] them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock." (LUKE 6:46-48)

"Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and ~~[i]~~doeth[/i] his will, him he heareth." (JOHN 9:31)

"Even so ~~[i]~~faith, if it hath not works, is dead,[/i] being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: ~~[i]~~shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works...[/i] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?" (JAM 2:18-21)

"Blessed are they that ~~[i]~~do[/i] his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." (REV 22:14)

How do you know you have heard the TRUE Gospel?

Obeying is more important that hearing.

"But ~~[i]~~be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.[/i] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." (JAM 1:23-25)

Sorry to all for going off-topic here.

E

Eli_Barnabas Aug 24, 2007

To symbolize the mark of the beast and not to understand it as an actual mark that will be implemented upon the body is thoroughly naive. I guess only time will instruct some people. Whether you really like the literal interpretation of it or not, this world is going to do it; their already heading in that direction; it's going to happen.