KJV - yes, thats the version for me!

Me to Krispy, I am soley in favor of the Word of God KJV.

God is one God, thus he only has one Word.

So I thought I would remind you all that I am still solidly 100% in favor of the KJV.

Haha! Me too.......... almost :-P

Hey brother,

It is what we make of it though ...

I long for the good ol' days when we actually addressed matters of substance. Theological issues. Stuff like that.

If I could say anything it would be that I don't think a lot of the newer members really know how truly wonderful those days were. It may lie somewhat in that gray area ... Brother it has grown much and needs a lot of patience, hopefully those of us who are veterans might do more to draw them in to deeper, more substantive matters.

And that may mean we have to let some things go without answer or reply.

Found another gem from Philologos that falls into this must read arena ... There is some remarkable and life altering things to be brought forth. Let's bring them up brother!

Yes, I know. I faced that in another post that I was posting on today-

I gues people don't understand....like David said, Psalm 62:11 "God hath spoken ONCE..."-did they forget that?-lol

KrispyKrittr wrote:
I am finding myself quickly losing interest in this forum lately... it's becoming a place where people come in and want to beat us over the head with political agendas, protests against this social problem, or that movement over there...

I long for the good ol' days when we actually addressed matters of substance. Theological issues. Stuff like that.

Krispy

I have much reading to do.. IN my Ol' Scofield KJV

There is some remarkable and life altering things to be brought forth. Let's bring them up brother!

Do I see the sun trying to peek through a cloud? :-)

Amen! Yes let's bring them up, and nurture their substance. This was what initially attracted me to these forums...and I so miss those discussions. Even when there were disagreements, the entire community was still blessed and prospered.

And that may mean we have to let some things go without answer or reply.

Yes, brother. We need discernment in these areas, we need to identify the little foxes that would destroy the grapes. This will require the mending of the garden walls to keep out infectious varmints of politics and vain janglings and the like. It should also require the yanking-up of the weeds of personal agenda.

Speaking of KJV superiority, I am an ardent KJV lover; and I love it so much that I've gotten into the habit of reading it parallel with other versions to accentuate its conveyance in certain verses. I think we should let all the other versions work in our favor, taking the example from God Who uses the extraneous circumstances in life to work for the good of His children.

Which of us, while panning for gold in a creek, would not stop to pick up a emerald glistening on the bank? I've found that reading different translations parallel to the KJV can yield such profits. If anything, a lucid paraphrase from the NLT can be like a charge of dynamite that blasts away the crust of Jacobean verbiage to reveal the hunk of gold gleaming beneath the surface. Let us be shrewd and resourceful and fastidious in our mining! We are living in a most wonderful day and age of limitless provision and wealth to help us understand the breadth and scope of God's Word. All we need is the fire of the Holy Ghost to ignite the charge.

Brother Paul

Hi Krispy...

A good friend of mine, during times of distress, used to tell me, "[i]Don't worry -- it will all come out in the wash[/i]." At the time, I used to hate such advice because it was soooooo simplistic and felt like placing a rhetorical "bandaid on a cancer." However, it does make a lot of sense.

Sometimes, I sit back and watch the world (ala third person). The hearts of men are waxing worse and worse. Sin is becoming "acceptable" and "normal" at an alarming rate. And the Church seems to grow more worldly while having fallen into a much deeper sleep; or, the Church seems to have strained a gnat while swallowing a camel. But you know what? Jesus is [u]still[/u] Lord. In the end, He will still have His own way. Regardless of how utterly hopeless things seem -- the end has already been recorded in the books of eternity.

Christ wins.
Satan loses.
Believers rejoice.
Unbelievers wail.
The Heavens and the Earth are destroyed.
A new Heavens and a New Earth are created.
All tears will be wiped away.
No more death.
No more sorrow.
No more pain.
Everything will be made new.

There are times when I feel exasperated by the treatment from fellow believers. If I enter a disagreement with someone concerning a particular doctrine or issue, I am accused of "[i]being deceived[/i]," "[i]trusting in man[/i]" or "[i]spreading a lie[/i]." Try as I do, I still find myself entering into discussions where individuals make bold claims about everything from doctrine to politics -- simply to present a "[i]your-view-is-not-the-only-view-or-the-only-view-that-matters[/i]" perspective on an issue. I constantly wrestle with sharing my beliefs because I fear the anger that results from the presentation of a differing opinion.

Even though we don't agree on everything (well, mostly about the issue of KJV or Textus Receptus supremacy), we agree on that which really matters. Personally, you have always been thoughtful, even if a little rough, in the way you have dealt with such differences.

So be encouraged! Life is far too short to worry about the petty "grumblings" of others. And it is also far too short to neglect the vital "grumblings" that truly matter.

:-)

By the way, I still consider the KJV as the best translation taken from the Textus Receptus and the NIV as the best translation taken from the other sources.

That's my Krispy! Love to try and stir it up, don't ya?
Love ya bro,
geddingsm

Try as I do, I still find myself entering into discussions where individuals make bold claims about everything from doctrine to politics -- simply to present a "your-view-is-not-the-only-view-or-the-only-view-that-matters" perspective on an issue.

Same here, brother. And after I do so, I almost invariably wish I hadn't.

I constantly wrestle with sharing my beliefs because I fear the anger that results from the presentation of a differing opinion.

Yes, it's a terrible thing to always been in fear of those unfair insinuations. I believe this is the main reason why most SI members' number of posts remain in the single digits (if any). It hurts to be publically broadsided by an insensate remark pertaining to your walk with Christ. There is a way to disagree without hurling sacrcasm and the last-sentence zinger.

Unlikely thread to find this little conversation tucked...but I like it!

I long for the good ol' days when we actually addressed matters of substance. Theological issues. Stuff like that.

If I could say anything it would be that I don't think a lot of the newer members really know how truly wonderful those days were.

I share these same sentiments.

In some ways this place was an osasis from the issues offered by Time magazine and CNN news. Now the mischievous irony is that those here who have a burden to call the Church out of "babylon" are the very ones stuffing the forum full of political and economic op-ed articles and posts...often quoting 'bablylonian' pundits. Perhaps their burden of resisting Babylon has something to do with personal struggles over once certain convictions. And even if we all nod uniformly in agreement that things do not look good in the world today, these things still need to be expressed as a way of sharing fears and burdens with one another. The unfortunate emphasis we place on antagonism between posters (who really see more closely then differently) is merely an appeal for interest and conversation because agreement tends to diffuse interest while controversy tends to arouse interest. In short, we need to talk about these things!

Perhaps much of this need for political/kingdom discussions can be explained by the times we are living in. First off, we are approaching a pivatol election. Emotions and convictions are running stronger then ever! Indeed many people are becoming 'apolitical', and opting out---the most pronounced emotive reaction of all that is often expressed as wanting to identify more with a heavenly kingdom...perhaps out of a deep dissolusionment that both conservative and liberal candidates represent morally and spiritually impossible choices. I have noticed this reaction in myself.

Second factor to consider is that the war in Iraq has been going on long enough so a person who was only an adolescent when it started is now an adult. These have been shifting and often violent years for forming personal convictions.

Taking a step back for a second, us 'old timers' might consider that perhaps half the people in this forum don't remember the cold war. I try to Imagine growing up in the 90's not remembering that even Christian children used to wake in their beds with nightmares of military annialiation from the USSR when I was a toddler. That children are free from that fear today not only changes the young person in the States, but also the European who these days can afford to be much less nationalistic then their granparents could...a social trend that puts them at odds with not only America, but even Israel. Consider how these geoploitical shifts might find expression in subtle but profound theological shifts within the Church. For instance, the persistance of patriotism in American Christianity is a growing consternation and bewilderment to many Christians from other countries.

Small wonder; a generation removed from the 20th century's great death struggle with the genocidal totalitarianism of fascism and communism may view the cold war only as a propaganda war of 'isms' and empty platitudes. Of course in time it becomes difficult to appreciate the United States current position in the world. The current war might easily seem like a war for oil and money, though someone like me might just as well see it as the emergence of another century long struggle against totalitarian idealogies between nations. On the other hand some 'post-modern' evangelicals might transfer some of their parent's anticipation of the apocalypse inherent in modern war to global warming worries. History books are almost useless to provide a meaningful and consistent narritive because individual revisionism has become rampant and is conducted electronically hour by hour, freeing too many historians from all editorial contraints within our education and media industries.

In any event I believe much of the spirit/material dichotomous worldview we hear discussed sincerely in the forum is at least partly influenced by an emergence of pessimism in regards to geopolitics. (Not all mind you...but perhaps at least the popular trending...)Geopolitical influence on doctrinal convictions is something to consider for the Christian...consider the effect the nuclear missile, and the cold war era had on the rise of conservative dispensationalists in America 20-40 years ago. Consider the impact that the spread of Islam had on Church theology in the middle ages. I'm not defending or accusing or ignoring the soverignty of God in these matters...but I imagine that we could track a geopolitical/theological correlation in every age and nationality of the church.

Actually, this is one of the benifits of Sermon Index, in that it allows us Amerikins to meet some ferreners...to help us face our own unwitting social influences. And vice versa!

Now geopolitically speaking, it seems all nations can agree that our globe seems to be headed for a dark hour of history. It does not take a prophet to notice this...

And yet, if we were really as prophetic as we desire to be...if our heavenly citizenship will become truly not of this world, as opposed to merely disguised political symphathies or politically antithetic reactions...then the lions in this forum could lie down with the lambs that come here to feed without constantly biting them. ;-)

There is so much more to build into one another then fear, frustration, and rage over the fate of the United States. It's becoming abit narcisstic I think. Why, even an old banjo has more then one string to make music with! Besides, perhaps the Lord has other nations also on his heart these days...

Back to our regularly scheduled program on KJVism...

MC

Howdy Y'all

I have to agree with Krispy about the sense that many posters here are using this site to present their personal understanding, and belief of scripture. Political correctness has been rampant here lately, with no tolerance for opposing thought. I have stated before, and I will say it again, that this site is more and more coming under attack from the enemy, and we need to be very discerning in what we are reading, and how we respond. More and more, it seems that anyone that presents a "traditional " insight into scripture is made to look like a fool, bigoted, and old fashioned. God's Word has not changed just because it is the 21st century, and I will not back down off of my "traditional" understanding of scripture, including the belief that the KJV is the best rendering of God's Word available today.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.

Thank God, there is a harvest coming!

Blessings Greg :-(

And that may mean we have to let some things go without answer or reply.

Amen to that bit of wisdom. And when I say amen, I mean "so be it!"

I've been around SI for two years, but only began posting six months ago. I have such affection for the brothers and sisters here that I've come to hold as family. In conversations I often refer to the "Sermon Index crowd".

Two weeks ago I was witnessing around town. A young man had a bible and approached me when he realized I was preaching. When we discovered we were both SermonIndex-ites we became so excited. Though it's not always the case, it's almost like hearing someone say, "I'm also zealous for the glory of Jesus!"

Anyways, about the KJV. Half a year ago someone posted that legendary thread, "Call me KJV Only if..." It had a profound influence on me. (does someone know where it is?) After much study I concluded that, as best as I can see, (and not wanting to injure anyone here) the Textus Receptus is the purest of sources and was providentially preserved. Wescott and Hort frighten me. The KJV is the best rendering of the best text.

The night I realized, I thought, "Lord, where will I get a bible? I'm broke. I can't even pay rent and I only eat Ramen, twice a day!" (I had just lost my job.

I only had a KJV children's bible with micro font, so I got on my knees and prayed, "God, I don't care about cars or clothes or even food. Please give me a Bible, that's a good thing and if it's Your word, please give it to me." Ding. I stood up and immediately went to the mailbox. An unexpected check from a client who had months before forgotten to pay me, and I had never noticed. I had my beloved Cambridge Concord Wide-Margin bible within the week. I hope to have it in ten or twenty years still.

As a note, I recently discovered something interesting. People think of "thee" and "thou" as outdated. Did you know, at the time of the KJV translating, "thee" and "thou" had been outdated for more than 100 years from common speech. It was adopted despite culture because it is more biblical. How so? Those tenses match the Greek and Hebrew text. The "t" forms are singular (thee, thou) and the "y" forms are plural (you, ye)...

Read these verse and thank God for thee and thou:

Luke 22:31-32. "The Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have YOU, that he may sift YOU as wheat: but I have prayed for THEE, that THY faith fail not: and when THOU art converted, strengthen THY brethren." Satan's desire was directed to all the apostles, but the Lord prays for each individually. Or only for certain ones (Judas)?

John 3:7. "Marvel not that I said unto THEE, YE must be born again." The message was spoken to an individual, Nicodemus, but the message referred to all men. The same phenomenon occurs in verse 11, where we read: "I say unto THEE ... that YE receive not our witness."

Anyways, about the KJV. Half a year ago someone posted that legendary thread, "Call me KJV Only if..." It had a profound influence on me. (does someone know where it is?)

It was Krispy,

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=12785&forum=35&post_id=&refresh=Go]Call me King James Only! But only if....[/url]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And I got to tell you Krispy, how you managed to get so great a thread and response from this title [i](KJV - yes, thats the version for me!)[/i]... All of you here, just wonderful, have me reminiscing

Thanks crsschk, that was fast. PDF comin' up!