Is the wearing of paint a sin?

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Peacecraft Aug 24, 2007

I recently read a wonderful book by Willaim Law called "The Absolute Unlawfullness of the Stage Entertainment" written in the 1700s as an arguement against the stage or playhouse. It's quite a gem, I wish everyone would read it because it can apply so well to modern day entertainment.

What I find interesting is that in this time in England he says that everyone regards the wearing of paint a wicked sin. He goes on to describe how ridiculous it is that one could consider the wearing of paint worse than the sin of going to and enjoying plays which were filled with all sorts of sin.

Is it because this wearing of paint (make-up) was uncommon in that day and culturally unacceptable for Christians? And is it viewed as okay now because it is culturally accepted and normal? What I would like to know is why was it considered such a wicked sin back then because of it's aspects of vanity and now it is not seen that way (at least to some extent)? Is the wearing of makeup a sin? I'm just curious to see what you all think and what scriptures you can bring to the table.

I find it interesting that at one time it was universally accepted as a sin, and now it is universally accepted as fine (if its tasteful and natural). Maybe make-up back in that day didn't look natural at all...maybe it was connected with prostitution... I don't know.. that's why I'm posting this thread!

Laura

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

"And when Jehu was come to Jezreel, ~~[i]~~Jezebel[/i] heard of it; and she ~~[i]~~painted her face[/i], and tired her head, and looked out at a window." (II KING 9:30)

"But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask. And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger..." (MATT 14:6-8)

"For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adulteress will hunt for the precious life." (PRO 6:26)

"Favor is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised." (PRO 31:30)

"And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her." (ECC 7:26)

"Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, The rings, and nose jewels, The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty." (ISA 3:15-24)

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (REV 17:4-5)

"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price." (I PET 3:1-4)

For a description of what every mother ought to hope for in a daughter in law, see Proverbs 31. I hope there's some still out there...

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

Blessings Laura,

You said

I find it interesting that at one time it was universally accepted as a sin, and now it is universally accepted as fine (if its tasteful and natural). Maybe make-up back in that day didn't look natural at all...maybe it was connected with prostitution... I don't know.. that's why I'm posting this thread!

Make up serves one purpose and one purpose only: to make the wearer more attractive. It's purpose is to enhance sexual desire and thus control men. This is the same reason religious folk ought to despise miniskirts, tube tops, and revealing clothing - because they make women feel more powerful than they ought to feel and make men stupider than we ought to be.

Helen had a face that launched a thousand ships. Now, if she were wearing a burka...

The opposite side of the coin are men who drive sports cars or flash money around, etc, to attract the ladies...

As a rule, people who superficially increase their attractivness attract superficial mates. And somewhere along the way, God's wrath kicks in, and when the idols crumble all hell breaks loose.

Makeup, cosmetic surgery, sports cars, and gold cards are, in essence, all lies.

Take it from an ex-bartender.

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enid Aug 24, 2007

Thought provoking question, and one that will get considerable response, either for or against 'paint'.

Corey has given some scriptures already, for which I am grateful, and not just opinion, which is always a downside when having discussions.

Genesis 38v15, 'When Judah saw her, he thought she was a harlot, because she had covered her face'.

This incident is when Tamar plays a harlot in order to have a son, because her father-in-law did not give her Shelah, his son, to become her husband as he had promised.

Her face was covered, and he considered her a harlot.

Was she wearing paint?

Obviously, she was hiding her indentity from her father-in-law.

Could we say that painting the face is also 'covering' the face?

Speculation on my part.

I read this today from the devotional section.

'Many are proud of their apparel. They dress in such fashions, as to make the devil fall in love with them! Painted faces, gaudy attire, naked breasts--what are these, but the banners which sinful pride displays?'

Sounds ugly doesn't it?

What I do ask is, does the wearing of paint consign one to hell? I'm being serious.

If not, does it matter whether it is worn or not?

However, consider this.

Romans 14v21, 'It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine no do ANYTHING by which your brother STUMBLES, or is OFFENDED or is made WEAK'

According to this scripture, if anything causes someone to stumble, be offended, or weakens their faith, we should shun it.

Sorry to be so long. Hope others can also help with this question.

God bless.

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theopenlife Aug 24, 2007

I offer the following as advise to the women, to be prayed over.

A worthy question for every woman to ask herself is, ~~[b]~~"for ~~[i]~~who[/i] am I wearing this or that?"[/b]

If a woman wears this or that to cover her nakedness and protect the brothren from avoidable lusts, praise God, she serves Him. If she chooses to abstain from this or that in order to protect her sisters from vanity and covetousness, then she again serves God.

The same truth applies to makeup. For who does she wear it, and why? Does she knowingly draw the eyes of men? Does she take pleasure in shallow hopes of preferential treatment and vain respect? Why?

On the other hand there is a certain amount of "acceptability" which the saints are called by God to honor. Though there are exceptions such as John the Baptist and Ezekiel, yet Jesus taught His disciples to observe a degree of normalcy in their appearance. In Matthew 6:16-20 the Lord gave instructions that when we fast we ought to comb our hair, order our clothing, and anoint our faces.

I ask the women to recall the admonition of Paul to Timothy, that they "adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and ~~[b]~~sobriety[/b]..." 1 Tim 2:9

This word translated ~~[i]~~sobriety[/i] implies soundness of mind, seriousness; a sense of sobering reality. Observe how this same Greek word is used in Acts 26:25.

"But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and ~~[b]~~soberness[/b]."

When Paul addressed the royal court, he did so with a grave demeanor suitable to the eternal truth of the gospel. His spiritual presence left little reason to be interested in his physical frame. Likewise, women should dress themselves in ways that draw least attention to themselves, in order that greater emphasis may be directed to the transformed character of a regenerated heart.

In conclusion I write that women must be clothed first with modesty, desiring to promote chastity. Secondly, they should appear normal enough to draw neither negative nor especially positive attention to their physical selves, except within the privacy of marriage. As well, women must have a greater fondness for the true jewels of holiness and righteousness than for the passing trinkets of earth. Finally, they must dress themselves with the sobering truth of the gospel, together with its unspeakable joys and solemn warnings.

As a final note, may I remind my sisters that God did not make food without taste, though it was in His power to do so. Throughout creation He has provided pleasure with nutrition, flavor within function. In the undefiled order of marriage God has granted that the body of the woman is useful for both service and enjoyment. The husband who rejoices in the prayers of his wife delights also in her kisses. She that soils her hands in arduous labor offers them as well for comfort and affection. For the praise of her husband the godly woman clothes herself in humility, and for his pleasure she clothes herself in scarlet.

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

~~[b]~~Phi 4:5[/b] ~~[i]~~Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.[/i]

I dont think we can take scripture and make a hard and fast rule outlawing women wearing make-up. The Lord saw fit to give me a wife who is as beautiful on the inside as she is the outside. I remember the first time I saw her... and she is more beautiful now than she was then. There are times I wake up in the morning and look over at her angelic face as she sleeps... and I think "Wow... She is way out of my league... what was God thinking?"

She struggled with this issue when she got saved. Some legalists in the Charismatic church she was in told her real Christian women dont wear make-up. And she would agree with Corey that her back ground when we met was clubs. We met in a bar in Myrtle Beach when I was on leave. She worked as a waitress at bar back in her hometown in Georgia. She understands why a lot of women wear tons of make-up.

After studying this issue, however, she came to the conclusion that while God is definately more interested in Christian women adorning themselves on the inside with peace, love, submission, etc... there is no prohibition against adorning the outside as well, so long as the adornment doesnt over shadow the inside.

She is not extravagent when it comes to jewlry or clothing. And she uses a moderate amount of make-up. To be honest, I cant usually tell when she is wearing make-up unless we're going out on a date, and then she will wear lipstick, high heels, etc (while still being modest)... and she does that for me... and it works, brother, believe me!

She is very modest and conservative in her dress when out in public... but probably not as conservative as some. I see some ladies in the fundamental Baptist churches who look like their wearing ankle length feed sacks. If thats what they believe they should be wearing, thats between them and the Lord. I see nothing wrong with my wife dressing pretty, but modest. It is possible!

The wording in scripture concerning adorning the inside clearly is not a complete prohibition against a woman looking womanly. Paul stated in another passage that the man is not to dress as a woman, and take on the characteristics of a woman (effeminate). So clearly God created woman to be, act and look different from a man, and vice versa... and I say amen! lol

But all things in moderation. There is no "thou shalt not wear make-up" in the Bible. Each person must check there heart, and come to an understanding of why they would want to do something. Make sure your inside is prettier than your outside. If things are rotten on the inside, best take care of that before you even think about putting on make-up, because then it is nothing more than a facade.

Krispy

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Nile Aug 24, 2007

The wording in scripture concerning adorning the inside clearly is not a complete prohibition against a woman looking womanly.

Is it not also clear that jewelry and make-up are not what make a woman look womanly?

I can't imagine God creating Eve, and then saying, "Ut-oh! I better give her some jewelry and make-up or she won't look womanly!"

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

Is it not also clear that jewelry and make-up are not what make a woman look womanly?

You missed my point... some Christian women have the mindset that they must make themselves look as un-pretty as they can. I dont believe thats what God intended either.

Scripture makes it quite clear that a number of women in the Bible were very pretty. "Fair" I believe the KJV uses often... a bit of an understatement I think. And in the majority of cases, these were godly women.

A person can be just as superficial trying to look un-attractive as they can looking attractive.

Like men with suits. How many pastors with nice suits condemn those of us who resist getting all dressed up... only to fall from grace because of adultry, or worse?

I think we need to pay much more attention to the heart, and when we do that, some of these other issues will clear up on their own.

Krispy

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

By the way, I found the reasoning that it is a form of lying to be interesting. I dont think thats the case in most instances, or maybe it is, I dont know... but it did remind me of something I read awhile ago that was condemning the writing and reading of fictional novels. The reasoning was that fiction by definition is a story that is not real... therefore it is not true... therefore it is a lie.

Sometimes I am amazed at what Christians with too much time on their hands can come up with.

I'm ~~[b]~~not[/b] saying thats what anyone has done on this thread... I am merely commenting on that part of the original post, which was commenting on that author from the 1700's.

Krispy

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rowdy2 Aug 24, 2007

Because I in the flesh am guilty of the law and must not and cannot judge others. All power to judge was given to the only Righteous Son that fulfilled the law and as the only righteous one reconciled me unto Himself. My flesh to is under the curse of the law which is death and my flesh will die, but according to the spirit I have eternal life through faith in Him who justified me by His love on the cross.

Eddie

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running2win Aug 24, 2007

I think with these smaller(?) issues the biggest thing is that everyone be completely honest with their own conscience. When I'm dealing with a smaller issue in my life if I'm brutally honest, as some say, then I know if my conscience is in all honesty clear on the issue or if I'm doing it because I like it even though I have way down deep this tiny sneaky suspiscion that I shouldn't be doing or wearing or watching it or whatever the case may be. But I like it and so I try to convince myself that it's fine. I've noticed in my own life that when I take up a hard defence of something that the reason usually is because I like it but I know that it's questionable. We can't judge each other so the responsibility is on each one of us to be perfectly honest with God and our own conscience.

I'm not implying anything either way on the whole make-up thing, I'm just talking about Romans 14 issues in general. The things that aren't clearly spelled out in scripture as right and wrong.

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

theopenlife said

The same truth applies to makeup. For who does she wear it, and why? Does she knowingly draw the eyes of men?

As one who gave up eye-shadow and mascara for the Lord when I was 20, I can honestly say that it didn't put off as many men as I would have wished!

Further, 'Does she knowingly draw the eyes of men? is not dependent on make-up either. She can do that without even trying, and when she tries not to (draw the eyes of men), she can find it even harder to fail!

On the matter of the original condemnation of stage paint, this may have been part of the backlash against ungodliness on stage which began in the last decade of the 1600s, when a churchman spoke out. You see, stage plays (of which Charles I) had been very fond and took part, were abolished after his execution (at least) while the Puritans and Oliver Cromwell's men were in charge. It was not until Charles II regained the throne in 1660 that a royal playwright was retained, and a 'Master of Revels', and dancing was allowed again.

Not only were new plays produced, but a great many old ones, and Shakespeare revamped. Many plays included at least on male homosexual couple either by implication or, walking hand in hand across the stage. And, it was not until Charles II's reign that the brave step of allowing a real woman to play the leading female role began to be tried. Of course, women had been on stage before in female roles, but, men (youths) had been dressing up as women, and therefore, were painted up to look female, and were being kissed on stage by the leading male.

Does she take pleasure in shallow hopes of preferential treatment and vain respect? Why?

Might this be a slight on men, who ~~[i]~~do[/i] respect a woman honestly, and not just because of her make-up?

In certain circles, mysogyny comes as standard, particularly where there is moral confusion about homosexuality; so a woman who prompts a masculine response towards herself, is not necessarily sinning (imho). Even a little discreet make-up can make her also more dignified in the face of ribbaldry.

Having said all this, I believe Krispy has covered all the other bases eloquently, and for me, the heart remains the devious member.

'Is the wearing of paint a sin?' In that it orginates in idolatry, I believe a Christian woman (or man) has to know exactly why they are using it, and know the accompanying peace of God in their hearts, or at least no check against it which they ignore; or, yes... it is sin to that person.

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

On the matter of the original condemnation of stage paint, this may have been part of the backlash against ungodliness on stage which began in the last decade of the 1600s, when a churchman spoke out. You see, stage plays (of which Charles I) had been very fond and took part, were abolished after his execution (at least) while the Puritans and Oliver Cromwell's men were in charge. It was not until Charles II regained the throne in 1660 that a royal playwright was retained, and a 'Master of Revels', and dancing was allowed again.

You Europeans and your monarchs...

Many plays included at least on male homosexual couple either by implication or, walking hand in hand across the stage.

Not much has changed. My sister went to an artsy type college. She was a music major, and she'll tell ya... most of the guys that were music or theater majors were gay.

Krispy

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

A worthy question for every woman to ask herself is, "for who am I wearing this or that?"

moe_mac
When it comes to this subject, I think the most often and most usually sin about women wearing or not wearing pants would be, not wearing them in some cases to seduce men and demanding to wear them, as a figure of speech, as the leader and as the head of the christian family.

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ccchhhrrriiisss Aug 24, 2007

Hi Corey_H...

Make up serves one purpose and one purpose only: to make the wearer more attractive. It's purpose is to enhance sexual desire and thus control men.
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The opposite side of the coin are men who drive sports cars or flash money around, etc, to attract the ladies...

Good points -- especially about both "flipped sides of the coin."

Can this topic be confined to "makeup" (or "body paint")? Can the same thing be said about people who dress in really modern looking clothing? This is the rationale of the Amish dress code (as told by some of my Amish friends). That is why even the men, in some of the more strict Amish communities, are limited to black or blue clothing. Could the same thing be said about our hairstyles? Our jackets? Our cars?

Some of us dress in a manner as to be "presentable" (versus a desire for sensual attraction). I purchase my clothes because of cost, comfort, durability and presentability. I wear New Balance, Nike, Sketchers and Vans footwear, not because they are "cool" or to be associated with the brand or people who wear that brand -- but because they are extremely comfortable. In the same way, I wear shirts and pants/jeans/shorts (gulp -- yes MODEST shorts!) accordingly. This is not because of personal vanity. Yet I have endured some criticism in the past for wearing shorts, jeans or t-shirts. I've even been criticized for my hair cut and "worldly" ties. I've even been criticized for the color of my car.

My short hair, it seems, should be brushed at all times with no gel, mousse or hairspray to keep it in place. Yet I live in a very windy place next to the Gulf of Mexico. My ties, it seems, have been considered too "colorful" by a few well-meaning ladies. They told me, "~~[i]~~Red is the color of sin, you know[/i]." My wife's Ford Escape is yellow and my Ford Explorer is (gulp) red. A few individuals obviously "heard the Lord" explain to them that these colors are the color of vanity. I guess the Lord wants us to drive either a blue, black or white vehicle?

My wife is quite modest. She has never had (and refuses to have) her ears pierced, although I don't know that I see anything wrong with it. She hardly wears any makeup whatsoever, except a little colored lip balm on occassion to mask her lips from the hot Texas sun. Yet she wears her hair in a very beautiful way (well, I like it). As a hispanic woman, her hair is naturally thick (VERY, VERY thick). She either uses a straightener (a "chi") to relieve the body of her hair, wears her hair pulled back with fasteners, or she cuts her hair in a manner to keep the hair "down." Yet I have read comments in the past where some would consider her endeavor another form of personal vanity.

At which point can we honestly consider a behavior "personal vanity" or a desire to obtain sensual "attraction" from others? Someone once made the comment in another "modesty" thread about the manner in which we present our homes. Do we ever make them attractive? Yes, there are some nicely painted homes that are falling apart on the inside. But I have also seen some nice homes on the inside that were falling apart on the outside. Our true character is often (yet not always) revealed on the outside. I married my wife for her inner beauty (and purity of heart) rather than mere outer attractiveness. I'm glad that she cares enough to take care of her body and make herself presentable at her job. If she didn't, I wouldn't care. I love her regardless of her hair or dress.

I suppose that these sort of matters are best left to our own communion with God. Why? The opinions differ so widely -- even amongst sincere believers like ourselves! Little is said in the Scripture about such matters (except from an indirect perspective). We certainly know that Jezebel painted her face. Jezebel was evil. But was Jezebel even BECAUSE of the face paint? Or did she paint her face BECAUSE she was evil? Jezebel also lived in a multi-story home. Should we "flee" from her example and sell our two-story houses? Hmmm...

Yet there are also individuals who have facial scars, blemishes, burns, etc... I knew a girl who badly burned on the face, and another who had a very noticeable discoloring of her skin. Both of them used makeup to cover the skin. Would anyone accuse them of trying to attract males for sensual purposes? Or would we assume that they simply were trying to appear "normal?" Is there a set "standard" for dress? Or can such a "standard" differ from person to person, place to place or situation?

I've often read the passages pertaining to Man and Eve in the Garden of Eden. After they ate the fruit and realized that they were naked, they clothed themselves with leaves. Yet God saw it fit to clothe them with animal skins (Genesis 3:22). Why? We have all read about how these were the first "sacrifices" in the Bible (a possible "type and shadow" of later atonement). Yet why did God clothe them with the skins? I really feel that this is the manner in which we should conduct our modesty. Each individual must make an effort to surrender to God and let HIM dictate our manner of dress. If we listen to the "convictions" of others, we would get lost in the multitudes of differing opinion. But if we feel inclined to dress with the permissiveness of God -- then we can feel confident in the manner of our modesty.

:-)

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

When it comes to this subject, I think the most often and most usually sin about women wearing or not wearing pants would be, not wearing them in some cases to seduce men and demanding to wear them, as a figure of speech, as the leader and as the head of the christian family.

Uhm... Moe... er, we're talking about make-up (paint) dude... not pants.

Walmart has reading glass in the pharmacy for not too much money... if you got a pair, you might just look like this: 8-)

Kinda cool, huh?

Krispy

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MaryJane Aug 24, 2007

Greetings sister

This article was shared with me when I spoke with some sisters in Christ about this very topic, it really opened up my eyes. I am posting part of it here, and including a link if you would like to read the entire thing as it is very long but well worth the read.

God Bless you
MaryJane

http://www.allathisfeet.com/seed.cfm?id=31064

Kingdom beauty

It is okay to recognize and appreciate beauty. The thing we are to guard our hearts is things after the flesh or finding some kind of value in the beauty on a carnal level. Example: I can look at a rose and appreciate the beauty, fragrance, and intricacy of its design. Its aroma can bring pleasure to my sense of smell and its spectacular color capture my eyes. All that is fine as long as I don’t end up worshipping the rose vs. the Creator of the rose.

How does all this relate to things we have been working through? Beauty is NOT the enemy. Vanity and worldly patterns of thinking are the enemy. A splash of color to contrast or highlight something I am wearing is not a problem. God created colors, hues, contrasts, etc… The danger comes when I am getting some kind of pleasure to my flesh or feeding vanity in some way. A hair ribbon, simple pair of earrings, or touch of some make-up is not the enemy. Again, the danger comes with our motives and finding any kind of identity in those things. As always it does go back to why you are doing what you are doing. If birthed in flesh it will produce fleshly babies. UCK! If birthed in the walking in the life, freedom, and spirit of Jesus it will birth good fruit in the spirit.

That being so you can understand why the exact same scenario can produce much different fruit. Put the exact same clothing, earrings, and bow on two women. Depending on their hearts and motives they can emanate two completely different things. One brings a smile to your spirit and soul as you look on her freshness. The other brings an uncomfortable feeling to your spirit. It wasn’t the externals that were the enemy, but what the spirit within was emanating. Make sense? We can appreciate and find pleasure in the beauty that God has given individuals (it is there). He has placed it within us to appreciate and enjoy it. However we must be aware of the dangers that come with that and avoid those pitfalls. Knowing that beauty is there we do want to be extra careful in enemy territory to protect ourselves and each other from that beauty drawing attention from pagans.

A side note in all this…. As mentioned before there is a definite symmetry and balance in God’s nature. That being so, it is very obvious when things are not symmetrical and they stick out in that way. Wearing only “one” earring as opposed to wearing a “pair” of earrings draws definite attention to itself. It is off balance. It is out of God’s order. Very loud colors of clothing, print, or color contrasts draw attention. Why? They are out of balance with the surroundings. Get where we’re going?? We need to be wise and careful, but not paranoid and fearful. :)

If there’s ANYTHING that would smack of the world, we’d go after that with a vengeance in our lives! Jesus came to “destroy the devil’s work”—that’s power-filled!! Curses on sin!! AWAY with you, satan! UGHHHHH!!! ANYTHING that has the world’s infiltrations into our lives, whether in our attitudes and ideas about appearance, the way we raise and teach our children, the way we treat our husbands, or the way we handle and view our money and possessions… REGARDLESS of the area of life, we go after the throat of the crimes of worldliness. We want NOTHING to do with it…. So we pray and we TRUST and we ask God to make things clear and to rip off the blinders from our eyes and EXPOSE the enemy. Even if we don’t have things all cleared up in our minds, we can ALWAYS be asking with FAITH that He is Good and He WANTS to let us in on what He’s thinking. That helps a lot, to know that we can Rest in trusting in Him… SOOOO… all of that to say, with the right kind of energy and jealousy for the things Jesus loves, we’ll be able to *SEE* more clearly what’s of Him and what’s not. And THEN, that process clears the fogginess in our Vision and allows us to SEE HIM more clearly! Just a reminder that all of this and things like it is UNTO the discovering of God in a deeper and much more spirit-satisfying way in our inner man. It’s part of searching for the Kingdom, that’s like a Great Treasure, hidden away… God is veiled to unholy eyes and unconsecrated hearts. But for those who search, “the Kingdom is like a treasure in a field….” “A pearl, of great price”… there’s great and precious “secrets of the Kingdom”… The more we work to “unveil” our spiritual eyes and consecrate ALL, we’ll discover His Kingdom, that lies within each of us.

“Seek first the Kingdom… and all else will be added.”

Just some encouragement that as God is shaking all that can be shaken, there’s the Very Great Reward, for those who hold fast… of Jesus…

Messiah, Friend, Brother and King!

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

It's purpose is to enhance sexual desire and thus control men.

Maybe for some men. I appreciate a woman who does herself up nicely not overly. Not all women are Veronica's, some are just Betty's but Betty looks attractive with little makeup.

I think that in the day that this book was written it was common place for a whore to put on make up, but because it's now common place and even expected from women that it's no longer taboo.

Make up alone doesn't cause men to kneel and obey, it's the way she dresses and how she moves her body, she doesn't walk, she slithers.

Whereas a woman who wears make up and dresses modestly and conducts herself in a way as not to attract attention to herself, now that too me is attractive.

To each his own!

sermonindex Aug 24, 2007

Uhm... Moe... er, we're talking about make-up (paint) dude... not pants.

Walmart has reading glass in the pharmacy for not too much money... if you got a pair, you might just look like this:

Kinda cool, huh?

Krispy

moe:
Excuse me everyone! I was on the wrong page. Not unusual for me. It wasn't my glasses that was the problem though, Krispy. I have a 500 dollar pair top of the line glasses that God has blessed me with. It was my age and a little dislexia maybe. So let me comment about the subject at hand.
A Godly women will have an attraction about her appearance even if she has no make up on, even if she just got through coming out of a grease pit. Thanks for getting me on the right page. Nevertheless the other comments still stands if it were discussing the other subject.
Have a blessed day.

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Peacecraft Aug 24, 2007

Thanks everyone for your replies! MaryJane, I really liked that article! :)